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Post by jamsoccer on Sept 29, 2022 4:38:23 GMT -5
Haven’t seen this talked about. Collective thoughts?
Never looked much into it until today. Hurricane Ian has Florida clubs on my mind.
My thoughts so far:
• $26-50k. $77k for football. on HS seems to be way too much. Will never be in that tax bracket.
• Teams play GA on girls side & MLS Next..I assume..on boys side. Why not have your child play at a ‘regular’ club. Same experience w/ more freedom.
• Kinda painful to watch so many kids get their hopes up to be the next Messi then reality hits. By the time kid figures that out parents have already spent $150k on a ‘sports school’
• Giaranteed burnout by 17. It’s gotta feel like 8 yrs of college for boarding student-athletes.
Maybe coaches are out of this world good? Maybe education is way better?
-Edit : Yikes. Saw the location. Hope they’re alright during the storm.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 29, 2022 10:43:45 GMT -5
yea, i assume the true studs in each sport go for free, and everyone else subsidizes the cost for the few elite players.
It even seems ridiculous if you pay to go there for 4 years of high school and somehow land a college scholarship..... your still paying twice as much as you would for college.
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Post by 04gparent on Sept 29, 2022 13:06:19 GMT -5
yea, i assume the true studs in each sport go for free, and everyone else subsidizes the cost for the few elite players. It even seems ridiculous if you pay to go there for 4 years of high school and somehow land a college scholarship..... your still paying twice as much as you would for college. I think you all are missing a few details: 1. Some players have scholarships and dont pay the full price. There is also access to private scholarships as well from alumni... 2. If you can go somewhere and get to focus totally on the school and sport and its not an issue financially? Why not? They are not limited to the 4 times 1.5 hrs per week limits like other clubs. 3. Most if not all of the georgia players we brag about go above and beyond their club practice with private coaches and such... At IMG there is not a need for that you have access to the coaches almost anytime you want for private sessions.. I see alot of positives and a few negatives. Would I do it? No, but I dont fault any parents who have the resources and strength to do it... |
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Post by diamondmid on Sept 29, 2022 13:18:10 GMT -5
Also- they will happily allow you to pay tuition to a attend their school but that doesn’t guarantee you on a spot on a top team. For soccer, they field teams outside of MLS next on the boys side (assume the same on girls side, too). You could end up paying that tuition and play on the 2nd team. (Maybe a third??)
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Post by BubbleDad on Oct 1, 2022 8:49:06 GMT -5
yea, i assume the true studs in each sport go for free, and everyone else subsidizes the cost for the few elite players. It even seems ridiculous if you pay to go there for 4 years of high school and somehow land a college scholarship..... your still paying twice as much as you would for college. I think you all are missing a few details: 1. Some players have scholarships and dont pay the full price. There is also access to private scholarships as well from alumni... 2. If you can go somewhere and get to focus totally on the school and sport and its not an issue financially? Why not? They are not limited to the 4 times 1.5 hrs per week limits like other clubs. 3. Most if not all of the georgia players we brag about go above and beyond their club practice with private coaches and such... At IMG there is not a need for that you have access to the coaches almost anytime you want for private sessions.. I see alot of positives and a few negatives. Would I do it? No, but I dont fault any parents who have the resources and strength to do it... I agree. The missing elements they provide is a pre-college experience which includes proper nutrition and film review. 2 things our kids lack in the club experience while at home. I wish club soccer would weed out the kids who want to play in college vs the ones that don't ... this way the hungry ones who want to play in college and can't afford the extra training get the attention they need from their coaches to be great players. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 1, 2022 16:04:55 GMT -5
I think you all are missing a few details: 1. Some players have scholarships and dont pay the full price. There is also access to private scholarships as well from alumni... 2. If you can go somewhere and get to focus totally on the school and sport and its not an issue financially? Why not? They are not limited to the 4 times 1.5 hrs per week limits like other clubs. 3. Most if not all of the georgia players we brag about go above and beyond their club practice with private coaches and such... At IMG there is not a need for that you have access to the coaches almost anytime you want for private sessions.. I see alot of positives and a few negatives. Would I do it? No, but I dont fault any parents who have the resources and strength to do it... I agree. The missing elements they provide is a pre-college experience which includes proper nutrition and film review. 2 things our kids lack in the club experience while at home. I wish club soccer would weed out the kids who want to play in college vs the ones that don't ... this way the hungry ones who want to play in college and can't afford the extra training get the attention they need from their coaches to be great players. Tough call on the desire to play in college vs not. My kid wanted to play in college until she had a horrible experience last yr with her club team and changed her mind deep into her Jr year. I also know of at least a half dozen GA/ECNL players who don't want to play in college and decided that between Jr and Sr years. I know many that were unsure about playing in college during Soph or Jr years. I also know a handful who did not want to play college until Soph and Jr years. All clubs should provide film review sessions at least twice per month IMO and at least 2-3 times on individual basis per season. They should also provide twice yearly nutrition advice to players and parents and psychology advice and support referral options. Parkhurst and Greg Garza have a nice one. |
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Post by thip on Oct 2, 2022 17:46:09 GMT -5
There’s clubs that have showcase teams.
We play a 11 game college schedule. Play colleges, tour Campus, meet coaches and play in front of them vs their teams. Many of times it’s their JV teams. Then we play in showcase tournaments around the southeast and mid west. Raleigh, Disney etc. play a 30 plus game schedule and always in front of a college coach. Weekends blocked for act/sat. Kids that want to play in college, there is no better route in my opinion.
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 2, 2022 18:18:24 GMT -5
A lot of kids want to play in college until they realize their dreams don't match reality. Very few actually play at big D1 schools. For most of the rest it's a decision between soccer at a small school or academics at a bigger school. That realization comes pretty late in the game (like when offers don't come or only come from schools you've never heard of), so dividing early on between college / non-college doesn't make sense.
Not a slam against any decision kids make (play / don't play), just a comment on the how and why.
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Post by BubbleDad on Oct 2, 2022 18:52:38 GMT -5
A lot of kids want to play in college until they realize their dreams don't match reality. Very few actually play at big D1 schools. For most of the rest it's a decision between soccer at a small school or academics at a bigger school. That realization comes pretty late in the game (like when offers don't come or only come from schools you've never heard of), so dividing early on between college / non-college doesn't make sense. Not a slam against any decision kids make (play / don't play), just a comment on the how and why. We put kids on college tracks early academically so why not do so in sports? All the money most of us spend, we need to put it in the forefront. From year to year, they can be graded so they know where they sit and can stay on the athletic college track or not. A lot of us are paying so much from academy to select...our kids might as well have went to IMG. There are a lot of girls who know they don't want to play in college going into high school ... they are receiving quality training that those who want to go to college could be getting. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 2, 2022 20:15:41 GMT -5
A lot of kids want to play in college until they realize their dreams don't match reality. Very few actually play at big D1 schools. For most of the rest it's a decision between soccer at a small school or academics at a bigger school. That realization comes pretty late in the game (like when offers don't come or only come from schools you've never heard of), so dividing early on between college / non-college doesn't make sense. Not a slam against any decision kids make (play / don't play), just a comment on the how and why. We put kids on college tracks early academically so why not do so in sports? All the money most of us spend, we need to put it in the forefront. From year to year, they can be graded so they know where they sit and can stay on the athletic college track or not. A lot of us are paying so much from academy to select...our kids might as well have went to IMG. There are a lot of girls who know they don't want to play in college going into high school ... they are receiving quality training that those who want to go to college could be getting. I still think there is too much change decision wise too late to make this an option for most kids/clubs. Also the academic college vs not college tracks are often done based on kids' academic abilities more than desires. For sports I don't think it is the same. Also I have spoken to coaches at the club level who say they don't care if their player wants to play in college or not, they are going to take the one who is most likely to help them win. I know what you are thinking about the kids that are on the second (or maybe third) team at big six clubs who want to play at the next level and the players on the top team that don't want to play and get better coaching, etc. All of the players should get film review and nutrition, etc...not just the A team. Unfortunately I don't think the clubs will change. I can also say that so many kids don't decide until late. As the mom of a player who decided late and has many friends who did the same. Sometimes they even tell major schools "no." They worked so hard in HS in hard classes and drove far for soccer and worked hard in soccer...now they just want some free time to have fun and be college kids. |
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Post by sailingaway on Oct 3, 2022 15:54:24 GMT -5
Agree. I also think the transfer portal has really changed the recruiting game for coaches and players. I've heard many players being put on the back burner by coaches until they get thru their transfers. One coach had taken 10 transfers and had no spots left for freshmen coming in. It can be super deflating for some and they decide instead to cut bait and play club soccer at the academic school of their choice. Can be a win-win for some.
And to the ones who say "step out of the way if you don't want to play in college" ... these girls are still athletes and highly competitive. They work hard on and off the field in school. They appreciate and respect the higher level of training and competition. They sacrifice nights and weekends for the love of the game. They should not have to step down because their end game is not a college scholarship. That is like saying a student should not take honors courses if they don't intend to go to college.
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Post by GameOfThrow-ins on Oct 3, 2022 18:23:41 GMT -5
Agree. I also think the transfer portal has really changed the recruiting game for coaches and players. I've heard many players being put on the back burner by coaches until they get thru their transfers. One coach had taken 10 transfers and had no spots left for freshmen coming in. It can be super deflating for some and they decide instead to cut bait and play club soccer at the academic school of their choice. Can be a win-win for some. And to the ones who say "step out of the way if you don't want to play in college" ... these girls are still athletes and highly competitive. They work hard on and off the field in school. They appreciate and respect the higher level of training and competition. They sacrifice nights and weekends for the love of the game. They should not have to step down because their end game is not a college scholarship. That is like saying a student should not take honors courses if they don't intend to go to college. Service Academies! 100% funded, players can portal out (usually before junior year), but I can’t think of a reason anyone would portal in because they’d have to start over as a pleb. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Oct 4, 2022 0:57:57 GMT -5
Agree. I also think the transfer portal has really changed the recruiting game for coaches and players. I've heard many players being put on the back burner by coaches until they get thru their transfers. One coach had taken 10 transfers and had no spots left for freshmen coming in. It can be super deflating for some and they decide instead to cut bait and play club soccer at the academic school of their choice. Can be a win-win for some. And to the ones who say "step out of the way if you don't want to play in college" ... these girls are still athletes and highly competitive. They work hard on and off the field in school. They appreciate and respect the higher level of training and competition. They sacrifice nights and weekends for the love of the game. They should not have to step down because their end game is not a college scholarship. That is like saying a student should not take honors courses if they don't intend to go to college. Go be competitive in rec and yes, step out of the way of kids who want to take this further. You are blocking other folks blessings. It pains me to watch club soccer on the girls side sometimes b/c just b/c the speed of play is faster doesn't mean it's more entertaining. A lot of these girls don't even watch high level soccer ... they are comfortable with being in a high level spot knowing their heart isn't in it. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 4, 2022 5:06:17 GMT -5
Resenting teammates you feel are lesser.. is a lot of wasted energy. If you believe teammates are holding kiddo back, then tryout and play for another team.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 4, 2022 6:14:35 GMT -5
Agree. I also think the transfer portal has really changed the recruiting game for coaches and players. I've heard many players being put on the back burner by coaches until they get thru their transfers. One coach had taken 10 transfers and had no spots left for freshmen coming in. It can be super deflating for some and they decide instead to cut bait and play club soccer at the academic school of their choice. Can be a win-win for some. And to the ones who say "step out of the way if you don't want to play in college" ... these girls are still athletes and highly competitive. They work hard on and off the field in school. They appreciate and respect the higher level of training and competition. They sacrifice nights and weekends for the love of the game. They should not have to step down because their end game is not a college scholarship. That is like saying a student should not take honors courses if they don't intend to go to college. Go be competitive in rec and yes, step out of the way of kids who want to take this further. You are blocking other folks blessings. It pains me to watch club soccer on the girls side sometimes b/c just b/c the speed of play is faster doesn't mean it's more entertaining. A lot of these girls don't even watch high level soccer ... they are comfortable with being in a high level spot knowing their heart isn't in it. This is ridiculous. Most 14 year olds (even 16 and 17 year olds committing) don't even know what they want/need out of their college experience yet. And kids play soccer/sports for many, many, different reasons. If someone is playing only for the college scholarship, they are missing the point entirely. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Oct 4, 2022 6:44:01 GMT -5
You know how many times I hear parents say it doesn't matter if my daughter wants to play in college this is just for fun? ... Then go to rec. There are girls who want to play for fun AND want to take it beyond club soccer.
This is why USA soccer is starting to get a wake up call on the women's side internationally ... soccer is a luxury here that the upper middle class and rich casually put their kids in ... pricing out the potentially more talented and lion hearted. Girls from all over the world are taking D1 scholarships here in the states.
ALL players should receive the BEST training in academy. In U12, meet with player and parents about the track they want them to be on for Select and take it year to year. But Post publicly player evaluations and largely take that in consideration.
I respect the folks who put their kids in schools like IMG b/c if you are going to pay the money make it count for something.
Paying a crap load of money to be like ... if they play in college ... they play in college... no big deal ... go to rec then!
Ever watch boys rec? It's competitive and sometimes fast pace .... rec will improve if the "I don't want to play in college" folks go there.
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Oct 4, 2022 7:01:20 GMT -5
You know how many times I hear parents say it doesn't matter if my daughter wants to play in college this is just for fun? ... Then go to rec. There are girls who want to play for fun AND want to take it beyond club soccer. This is why USA soccer is starting to get a wake up call on the women's side internationally ... soccer is a luxury here that the upper middle class and rich casually put their kids in ... pricing out the potentially more talented and lion hearted. Girls from all over the world are taking D1 scholarships here in the states. ALL players should receive the BEST training in academy. In U12, meet with player and parents about the track they want them to be on for Select and take it year to year. But Post publicly player evaluations and largely take that in consideration. I respect the folks who put their kids in schools like IMG b/c if you are going to pay the money make it count for something. Paying a crap load of money to be like ... if they play in college ... they play in college... no big deal ... go to rec then! Ever watch boys rec? It's competitive and sometimes fast pace .... rec will improve if the "I don't want to play in college" folks go there. Deciding at U12? Most girls will say they want to play on the US National team at that age so that probably won't open up any spots for you. Not to mention there are about 87 levels between ECNL and Rec. Yes, I've watched Rec. I couldn't disagree with this strategy more. But to each his own. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 4, 2022 7:45:04 GMT -5
You know how many times I hear parents say it doesn't matter if my daughter wants to play in college this is just for fun? ... Then go to rec. There are girls who want to play for fun AND want to take it beyond club soccer. This is why USA soccer is starting to get a wake up call on the women's side internationally ... soccer is a luxury here that the upper middle class and rich casually put their kids in ... pricing out the potentially more talented and lion hearted. Girls from all over the world are taking D1 scholarships here in the states. ALL players should receive the BEST training in academy. In U12, meet with player and parents about the track they want them to be on for Select and take it year to year. But Post publicly player evaluations and largely take that in consideration. I respect the folks who put their kids in schools like IMG b/c if you are going to pay the money make it count for something. Paying a crap load of money to be like ... if they play in college ... they play in college... no big deal ... go to rec then! Ever watch boys rec? It's competitive and sometimes fast pace .... rec will improve if the "I don't want to play in college" folks go there. Is this an early April Fool's post? Nothing wrong with kids playing the highest level soccer without wanting to play in college. Excel at every activity is a great life goal. Your posts are borderline disrespectful to the vast majority of players who are putting in massive effort on a daily basis and their families making great sacrifices. |
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Post by BubbleDad on Oct 4, 2022 8:11:55 GMT -5
Many of you aren't reading my message all the way through. You weigh goals against the evaluation. It's still a tryout process.
Again ... this is why the USA women's national team probably won't win many more World Cups.
Soccer is a luxury here. Play lights out in rec. Pay a bunch of money to Toca, trainers and ball out in rec.
You all are the reason we pay all this damn money and get poor service from these club coaches and trainers. We get no gage/measurable documentation on the growth of our players and you all keep paying b/c it's just about fun.
I've spoken my peace ... but know the success of our national teams start in youth soccer. You all are pricing out the folks who NEED these scholarships all cause your kid wants to have fun only. Many of them aren't even having fun ... just playing for you or to be with their friends. Be with your friends in rec if they don't want to play in college either.
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 4, 2022 8:42:00 GMT -5
"You all are the reason we pay all this damn money and get poor service from these club coaches and trainers. We get no gage/measurable documentation on the growth of our players and you all keep paying b/c it's just about fun."
It's not all about fun. It's about teaching your kids commitment, teamwork, goal setting, interpersonal relationships, the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat, overcoming adversity, etc. Work and live to your highest ability.
And my non-college committed players (late decisions) provided a hell of a support system to showcase those that went on to play in college.
Glad to learn you are an entitled socialist "You all are pricing out the folks who NEED these scholarships all cause your kid wants to have fun only" and an elitist who demonizes those you disagree with "Be with your friends in rec if they don't want to play in college either."
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Post by oldtrafford on Oct 4, 2022 9:21:29 GMT -5
for soccer, yes img has a stellar training regimen, scholastic program, and conditioning and nutrition. but the one thing money can't buy at img is class. across both genders and all age groups, these are some of the worst behaving kids and parents in sports. that usually comes from the top down.
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Post by randomparent on Oct 4, 2022 9:47:09 GMT -5
Many of you aren't reading my message all the way through. You weigh goals against the evaluation. It's still a tryout process. Again ... this is why the USA women's national team probably won't win many more World Cups. Soccer is a luxury here. Play lights out in rec. Pay a bunch of money to Toca, trainers and ball out in rec. You all are the reason we pay all this damn money and get poor service from these club coaches and trainers. We get no gage/measurable documentation on the growth of our players and you all keep paying b/c it's just about fun. I've spoken my peace ... but know the success of our national teams start in youth soccer. You all are pricing out the folks who NEED these scholarships all cause your kid wants to have fun only. Many of them aren't even having fun ... just playing for you or to be with their friends. Be with your friends in rec if they don't want to play in college either. As a parent who has kids in the position do not like, I can tell you my POV. 1. I couldn't care less about the national teams performance as it relates to my kids. 2. My sons have a limited opportunity to get a "meaningful" college soccer scholarship because of title 9. 3. If I was doing this for college scholarships, investing their $4k all in club expenses into a 529 for the 9-10 years of club play would be the financial investment. Club soccer is an expense. 4. My kids play soccer for competition and friends. 5. I like club soccer because it keeps them off of electronics at a young age, makes them face adversity, and hopefully avoid bad things in high school. I think the idea of "elite" or whatever soccer is context bias. If your kid is good enough for and has dual citizenship, then playing overseas and youth national team is where they should be and everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for that but are good enough to start at an MLS club team then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for that but are good enough to start at an ECNL team then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for that but are good enough to start at an ECRL team then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for that but are good enough to start at an SCCL-C team then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for that but are good enough to start at an SCCL-P team then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for Varsity as a Freshman in HS then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for Varsity as a Sophomore in HS then everything else is less serious, not elite. If they don't qualify for Varsity as a Junior in HS then everything else is less serious, not elite. It's all context bias. Saying that if your not serious about elite soccer, the next level of play is context bias. My kids play high level soccer to have a blast in high school. Anything other than that is just extra. Not talking about eleven toes (which dominates our conversations across every topic in America), no ones kids here are playing professional soccer and then retiring. A few might get some good college offers, its possible they might even play beyond college but unlikely, and even less likely they can make enough money to support themselves doing it. |
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Post by justwatching on Oct 4, 2022 10:05:55 GMT -5
If you need kids to move out of your kids way in order to be seen and get a college scholarship there might be a level of delusion at play here.
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Post by soccergurl on Oct 4, 2022 12:58:23 GMT -5
Go be competitive in rec and yes, step out of the way of kids who want to take this further. You are blocking other folks blessings. It pains me to watch club soccer on the girls side sometimes b/c just b/c the speed of play is faster doesn't mean it's more entertaining. A lot of these girls don't even watch high level soccer ... they are comfortable with being in a high level spot knowing their heart isn't in it. |me tink ur baby no good| |me tink that y you come on here 2 cry| |if ur baby good u no care about "rec" player| |me tink u not the boss of all babies|
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 4, 2022 15:12:23 GMT -5
for soccer, yes img has a stellar training regimen, scholastic program, and conditioning and nutrition. but the one thing money can't buy at img is class. across both genders and all age groups, these are some of the worst behaving kids and parents in sports. that usually comes from the top down. Quite true. My foul-mouthed teenage daughter was appalled at the way these players yelled obscenities at their coaches and teammates during the games. If she was stunned then it must be bad. She doesn't generally say bad stuff to her teammates and never to a coach, but it still takes a lot to shock her. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 5, 2022 5:36:03 GMT -5
I’ve referreed a fair amount of rec soccer games and the players seem to enjoy it more if I’m being honest - so I do agree that a LOT of club soccer players would be better off playing rec soccer. The cost savings would certainly be huge and I’m pretty sure everyone will survive the embarrassment projected upon them from “club soccer”. If you’re truly a good player and you get stuck playing domestically you have my sympathy.
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Oct 5, 2022 13:49:09 GMT -5
for soccer, yes img has a stellar training regimen, scholastic program, and conditioning and nutrition. but the one thing money can't buy at img is class. across both genders and all age groups, these are some of the worst behaving kids and parents in sports. that usually comes from the top down. Quite true. My foul-mouthed teenage daughter was appalled at the way these players yelled obscenities at their coaches and teammates during the games. If she was stunned then it must be bad. She doesn't generally say bad stuff to her teammates and never to a coach, but it still takes a lot to shock her. Because it’s basically a boarding school for rich kids that their parents couldn’t control |
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