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Post by kick on Oct 1, 2014 8:50:43 GMT -5
Piggybacking on an earlier thread, I also have a question about the spring season. I have a U14 child. Another U14 player at the club is rostered up on the U15 team this Fall but is not in High School so won't be eligible for that in the spring. There is talk about that player playing down on my child's U14 team in the spring. Is that allowed? It would be great for our team but I know there are rules about playing down.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 1, 2014 8:57:00 GMT -5
Maybe they will roster the kid on the U14 team? then its not considered playing down but playing age appropriate? since this player's team is not playing in the spring then they have no commitment I would think.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 1, 2014 8:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 1, 2014 9:14:01 GMT -5
310.3b True Under 14 select program players playing up one or more age groups during the fall season will be permitted to dual roster for the spring season with an Under 14 team that participated in the fall season. Both teams must participate in the same program and the same or higher division within that program (Classic I, Classic II, Athena A, Athena B etc.), or the equivalent thereof So I guess the question is more about the divisions...you cant play down a division |
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Post by jash on Oct 1, 2014 9:17:07 GMT -5
More commonly they will just roster the player on the U14 team for the whole year but club pass them for the entire Fall season to the U15 team. Then in the Spring they are just on their "normal" team.
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Post by spectator on Oct 1, 2014 12:22:40 GMT -5
Curious - What is the reason this player is playing up and not with the U14 team in the fall?
We had a situation last year at U14 where a few players didn't come to all the tryouts and never let it be known they wanted to play if offered. All the U14 rosters were filled and the parents of those players went to the club saying their girls wanted to play. The only spots were on a an Athena E U15 team for Fall and they were 'promised' they'd be on a team in Spring. In Spring, they were on the Athena E U14 team so maybe there is a level rule.
What is the current level of the U15 team this player is on and what is the level of your daughter's team? If they are the same or if your daughter's team is a higher level, it shouldn't matter but I'm not sure an Athena A U15 player would be rostered with an Athena C U14 team.
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Post by kick on Oct 2, 2014 7:12:30 GMT -5
Both are Athena A teams so I guess there is no issue. The girl is playing up because she is that good. Thanks for the responses.
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2014 9:58:59 GMT -5
Both are Athena A teams so I guess there is no issue. The girl is playing up because she is that good. Thanks for the responses. Too good for your own age group's Athena A team?? That just seems odd to me - who made the decision to have her play up - a coach or pushy parents? At U14 in Fall, teams are competing for the spots in RPL - seems the coach would want to put the best players possible on the field not play a very good one up. If this player is truly 'that good', she should try to get on a top ECNL team or go to the club with the top U14 team now to ensure the RPL play. You didn't mention your club but did say Athena A so I assume ECNL wasn't an option where you are. Another thing - which team will she play for in State Cup? Since both age groups are Athena A, I'm assuming both will enter State Cup. Will the "good player" play with the team she's rostered on for Fall or Spring? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 2, 2014 10:26:30 GMT -5
Both are Athena A teams so I guess there is no issue. The girl is playing up because she is that good. Thanks for the responses. Too good for your own age group's Athena A team?? That just seems odd to me - who made the decision to have her play up - a coach or pushy parents? At U14 in Fall, teams are competing for the spots in RPL - seems the coach would want to put the best players possible on the field not play a very good one up. If this player is truly 'that good', she should try to get on a top ECNL team or go to the club with the top U14 team now to ensure the RPL play. You didn't mention your club but did say Athena A so I assume ECNL wasn't an option where you are. Another thing - which team will she play for in State Cup? Since both age groups are Athena A, I'm assuming both will enter State Cup. Will the "good player" play with the team she's rostered on for Fall or Spring? It happens at some clubs, i know GSA has 1 or 2 girls that play up with Athena A also |
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2014 11:06:25 GMT -5
I realize it happens - but here's why it's not a good thing long term according to a seasoned coach I know: The player won't have a sense of a team. Same scenario where you have a player rostered with a lower team but constantly pulled up to the higher one - which is 'her' team? There are times where families make the decision not to have the financial burden or travel so they opt out of RPL or a higher team but the player is good enough to be on that team - may have even been offered the spot but chose to 'play down'. Yet the coaches may pull them up from time to time to win key games. It really shatters the sense of team and can affect play. This is youth soccer - not pro or a national team - kids aren't flown in to come play together and perform well - they can't if they don't have a true sense of which team is 'theirs'.
So in the OP's case, which 'team' is that girl part of - the U15 team from Fall or the U14 team in Spring - guess they'll find out when State Cup comes around and which roster she's on.
And you also have to ask why play up when the levels are equal. It's not like the player the OP mentioned is playing RPL - it's still the same level of her age group - probably the same travel, etc. It probably was cheaper - since you only play Fall at U15 but the family will have to pony up to cover the costs for Spring unless some deal was worked out (which is shady and sucks if it's the case).
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 2, 2014 12:01:18 GMT -5
I realize it happens - but here's why it's not a good thing long term according to a seasoned coach I know: The player won't have a sense of a team. Same scenario where you have a player rostered with a lower team but constantly pulled up to the higher one - which is 'her' team? There are times where families make the decision not to have the financial burden or travel so they opt out of RPL or a higher team but the player is good enough to be on that team - may have even been offered the spot but chose to 'play down'. Yet the coaches may pull them up from time to time to win key games. It really shatters the sense of team and can affect play. This is youth soccer - not pro or a national team - kids aren't flown in to come play together and perform well - they can't if they don't have a true sense of which team is 'theirs'. So in the OP's case, which 'team' is that girl part of - the U15 team from Fall or the U14 team in Spring - guess they'll find out when State Cup comes around and which roster she's on. And you also have to ask why play up when the levels are equal. It's not like the player the OP mentioned is playing RPL - it's still the same level of her age group - probably the same travel, etc. It probably was cheaper - since you only play Fall at U15 but the family will have to pony up to cover the costs for Spring unless some deal was worked out (which is shady and sucks if it's the case). The particular players im speaking off, really only played up, never down, so their team was the higher one. This year one has come down permanently and the other one has stayed playing up. |
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