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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Oct 11, 2022 15:15:16 GMT -5
Wow. Did I hear that correctly? Spain is playing their 2nd team and their top 15 are at home watching?
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Post by soccerfan30 on Oct 11, 2022 15:30:52 GMT -5
Yes that's true but in fairness it's a B team for the US as well.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Oct 11, 2022 20:10:08 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 11, 2022 20:53:10 GMT -5
Why is rapinoe starting.
Why is she even on this team?
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Post by atlantasoccerdad2020 on Oct 11, 2022 21:10:35 GMT -5
Awe. That is why the commentator said the game was not as close as those sitting at home hoped it would be. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 11, 2022 23:55:23 GMT -5
Yes that's true but in fairness it's a B team for the US as well. True. Mace? Pickett? I am glad to see some new defenders rotate but not convinced on either of these two yet. 17 yo Thompson? Good for her to get out there and play, but definitely down the depth chart. How different is she from Riley Jackson? Let's throw her out there! These games were meaningless outcomes but meaningful minutes for some green players. Let's not get too upset at this loss. For the record, Rapinoe is clearly past her prime and ready to be done, but I think he is keeping her out there for now for the leadership. While we can say "oh just make her a coach then" we all know that is not a seamless transition and would not necessarily have the same result. Finally, let's not discount the effect that the Yates report likely had on many of these players. It is traumatic to live thru that kind of abuse whether it was as an abused player or a teammate/friend of the abused player. These players were emotionally wrung out when they got there. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 12, 2022 4:56:57 GMT -5
They call it a “Mutiny” by the Spanish women then get only one side of the story on the record... I guess we will have to wait and see.
Edit: the manager seems to have defended himself pretty effectively - but having no clue about the players’ reasoning leaves too much mystery. The situation must be bad if they chose to forgo playing for the national team.
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Post by rifle on Oct 12, 2022 5:02:23 GMT -5
Why is rapinoe starting. Why is she even on this team? A decade and a couple major knee surgeries ago she was team USA’s best player. I know that lots of people dislike her for “non soccer reasons” but I’m kinda impressed that she is still playing at all. |
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Post by bogan on Oct 12, 2022 5:15:40 GMT -5
Why is rapinoe starting. Why is she even on this team? A decade and a couple major knee surgeries ago she was team USA’s best player. I know that lots of people dislike her for “non soccer reasons” but I’m kinda impressed that she is still playing at all. But is her current ability or past accomplishments that keeps her in the lineup? I don’t follow the team regularly so this is a real question…no shade to Rapinoe. I suppose someone in US Soccer sees value in keeping her playing; however, from the little I have read, she can be derisive in the locker room. 🤷🏻♂️but that was coming from players who could be derisive as well… |
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Post by rifle on Oct 12, 2022 6:15:18 GMT -5
But is her current ability or past accomplishments that keeps her in the lineup? I don’t follow the team regularly so this is a real question…no shade to Rapinoe. I suppose someone in US Soccer sees value in keeping her playing; however, from the little I have read, she can be derisive in the locker room. 🤷🏻♂️but that was coming from players who could be derisive as well… I don’t understand keeping anyone in the starting lineup who doesn’t deserve the spot “now”. I can see keeping a good veteran on the roster for leadership purposes in training and on the bench but she must be playing at a higher level that the others to justify playing time. I certainly don’t know - I mostly only watch USWNT in tournaments. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Oct 12, 2022 8:24:41 GMT -5
Rapinoe's presence alone makes the USWNT unwatchable in our house.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 12, 2022 9:50:48 GMT -5
It should concern the team. Their play performance is lacking. It was hard to watch.
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Post by dabe on Oct 12, 2022 10:37:08 GMT -5
Rapinoe's presence alone makes the USWNT unwatchable in our house. Why? |
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Post by dabe on Oct 12, 2022 11:02:51 GMT -5
Yes that's true but in fairness it's a B team for the US as well. True. Mace? Pickett? I am glad to see some new defenders rotate but not convinced on either of these two yet. 17 yo Thompson? Good for her to get out there and play, but definitely down the depth chart. How different is she from Riley Jackson? Let's throw her out there! These games were meaningless outcomes but meaningful minutes for some green players. Let's not get too upset at this loss. For the record, Rapinoe is clearly past her prime and ready to be done, but I think he is keeping her out there for now for the leadership. While we can say "oh just make her a coach then" we all know that is not a seamless transition and would not necessarily have the same result. Finally, let's not discount the effect that the Yates report likely had on many of these players. It is traumatic to live thru that kind of abuse whether it was as an abused player or a teammate/friend of the abused player. These players were emotionally wrung out when they got there. Mace definitely should not be on the field. She seems to be confused as to what she's supposed to be doing. She's lacking in confidence and it shows. Her first touch was not great and she continues to commit fouls in dangerous areas. It was kind of like watching a freshman play their first match during college. They really want to be a "game-changer" so they make silly mistakes. I'm not sure why Girma did not start. Maybe just fatigue from the England game? She and Cook have a great chemistry in the center. I would love to see Girma and Sauerbrunn together too. I don't see that very often. Note, I didn't watch their games vs. Nigeria. I think defense will continue to suffer until Davidson is back. We need her. I'm not sure why Jackson is not being called up. Maybe because she would have such a central position on the field? If Thompson loses the ball it's not a big deal. If you lose the ball in the middle it is. That being said, I would take her over Sullivan any day. I think she wasn't called up this time because of the U-17 WWC. I wouldn't be surprised if next time she is. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 12, 2022 11:10:08 GMT -5
Not a Sulivan either.... She has a high tendency to give the ball away, yes, she works to get it back, but the damage is done.
Spain is good, so fun to watch. I never understood why the US couldn't play like that -- but clearly we can't. We rely to much on athletes and size and not enough combination play. Very disconnected midfield and the team lacks an identity.
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Post by 04gparent on Oct 12, 2022 11:34:09 GMT -5
Not a Sulivan either.... She has a high tendency to give the ball away, yes, she works to get it back, but the damage is done. Spain is good, so fun to watch. I never understood why the US couldn't play like that -- but clearly we can't. We rely to much on athletes and size and not enough combination play. Very disconnected midfield and the team lacks an identity. How many of us watched the game before sending our analysis of the final score. Yes the games are meaningless. Yes our national team has always kept players beyond their prime. We in the past seem to have always overcome that but not thus far. The games are more even than ever before. I tend to believe the best 100 players in US is better than any other country in the world, but is the USA best 18 way better than another country's best 18? Probably not way better. I think games like this are good for breaking in new talent. The Spainish team is very good. Very good technically and tactically. Some of the diagnal balls played in the players and crosses were exquisit. I am not really worried about this team long term. I think we will figure it out. I just hope we dont resort to bully ball again. |
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Post by baller84 on Oct 12, 2022 11:35:16 GMT -5
Not a Sulivan either.... She has a high tendency to give the ball away, yes, she works to get it back, but the damage is done. Spain is good, so fun to watch. I never understood why the US couldn't play like that -- but clearly we can't. We rely to much on athletes and size and not enough combination play. Very disconnected midfield and the team lacks an identity. Spot on. I can think of a few reasons why the US couldn't play that style, and won't be able to anytime soon even if we try, but would rather not stir anything up since some folks may feel it's nothing to worry about and we're doing great. Besides it's nothing new. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 12, 2022 11:44:40 GMT -5
Not a Sulivan either.... She has a high tendency to give the ball away, yes, she works to get it back, but the damage is done. Spain is good, so fun to watch. I never understood why the US couldn't play like that -- but clearly we can't. We rely to much on athletes and size and not enough combination play. Very disconnected midfield and the team lacks an identity. How many of us watched the game before sending our analysis of the final score. Yes the games are meaningless. Yes our national team has always kept players beyond their prime. We in the past seem to have always overcome that but not thus far. The games are more even than ever before. I tend to believe the best 100 players in US is better than any other country in the world, but is the USA best 18 way better than another country's best 18? Probably not way better. I think games like this are good for breaking in new talent. The Spainish team is very good. Very good technically and tactically. Some of the diagnal balls played in the players and crosses were exquisit. I am not really worried about this team long term. I think we will figure it out. I just hope we dont resort to bully ball again. Agree -- i wish they played more competitve games against the european sides like these. Too many games against inferior opposition. The big difference with the US is still depth, in 3 week long tourney, you have to have depth to get out of group play and advance in the eliminations rounds -- injuries and yellow card accumulations can decimate rosters. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 14, 2022 9:18:20 GMT -5
twitter is blowing up with how we develop college players vs professionals etc.
I don't fully agree, we have tons of quality players and depth, and unique combination of raw athleticism, talent and size. Yea, some youth and college teams dominate because of a single dominant fast tall striker etc, but there are so many examples of quality teams and coaches that play dynamically based possession game. Trust me I hate playing negative, and seeing it, I can't stand seeing a team in the attackign third and then the next thing the keeper as the ball at its feet. I'm not suggesting we play like pep coached team -- but keep the ball, keep it on the ground, play through the midfield and then into space when necessary -- but stop giving the ball away so quickly.
I think the head coach constantly is selecting wrong players, playing favorites and isn't building the team correctly. He also isn't pushing style of play, it's old school soccer, we will out work you etc. That crap doesn't fly for the womens game, it works in the mens game since we are irrelevant and it makes us competitive. But being the best requires more than just running around like crazy people.
we should play a possession based system with a box to box midfielder, and then when necessary play direct. Keep teams on their toes, make quality tactical subs and overwhelm teams in every game with our depth and freshness.
Dunns days are behind her in my opinion, and as i mentioned I never liked her first touch
Why do we have to have a Mewis on the field, Kristie is so overrated.
Rapinoe is slower than molasses now.
I don't care much for Huerta either, she isn't very dangerous getting forward and seems to constantly get caught and backtracking to defend.
The womens game is different than the mens, these women are professional USWNT players, I think the coach has more responsibility then like the men.
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