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Post by kidsocceruber on Oct 15, 2022 9:56:09 GMT -5
Here's one for the refs and armchair refs to discuss. U12 game playing 9 on 9, ball is just outside the penalty area where a late arriving parent is slowly walking across the field and standing in front of the goalkeeper just looking around while the game is going. Ball comes in on the side, across and keeper screened and it goes in. Center ref(maybe 17-18) winds up counting the goal. Mind you u12 it's not the end of the world, records aren't kept. Anything in the handbook for a clueless parent interference? This a dead ball and a drop?
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Post by hotspur1 on Oct 15, 2022 10:07:25 GMT -5
Here's one for the refs and armchair refs to discuss. U12 game playing 9 on 9, ball is just outside the penalty area where a late arriving parent is slowly walking across the field and standing in front of the goalkeeper just looking around while the game is going. Ball comes in on the side, across and keeper screened and it goes in. Center ref(maybe 17-18) winds up counting the goal. Mind you u12 it's not the end of the world, records aren't kept. Anything in the handbook for a clueless parent interference? This a dead ball and a drop? Play should have been stopped and clueless parent publicly shamed and ridiculed by all. |
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Post by mightydawg on Oct 15, 2022 10:12:34 GMT -5
Should have been a dead ball and retake the free kick.
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Post by bogan on Oct 15, 2022 10:18:34 GMT -5
Where are the tar and feathers when you need them?
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Post by rocko1989 on Oct 15, 2022 10:37:54 GMT -5
When our daughter was playing U12, in another state, she forgot her cleats. I broke land speed records to go home and bring them back.
I returned, and the game was maybe 5 minutes or so in. I sat down in my chair and noticed a bench was on the field. Meaning a team bench was actually several yards on the field. It was a turf complex, and each field was lined and used in various ways. Older age groups used one set/color of lines, and younger age groups used a different set. Older age group played right before our game, thus the bench was in the correct position for that field, however nobody noticed its location for the next game. It was not near the corner flag or right on the line....it was a few yards inside the field and inside the penalty area.
So, when the ball was at the other end of the field, I quickly went on the field, picked up the bench, and was moving it off the field. The adult AR on that end loudly chastised me for being on the field during the match. I mean loudly,
meant to embarrass me.
I merely said, "Well, if you had actually noticed this, like you should have, I would not be out here doing this." Proceeded to carry the bench off the field, and went back to my seat.
What I can still not figure out is how 3 adult officials, some coaches, at least for the team that warmed up on that end, and all those parents that know so much, did not notice this.
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Post by Respect on Oct 15, 2022 13:18:08 GMT -5
Here's one for the refs and armchair refs to discuss. U12 game playing 9 on 9, ball is just outside the penalty area where a late arriving parent is slowly walking across the field and standing in front of the goalkeeper just looking around while the game is going. Ball comes in on the side, across and keeper screened and it goes in. Center ref(maybe 17-18) winds up counting the goal. Mind you u12 it's not the end of the world, records aren't kept. Anything in the handbook for a clueless parent interference? This a dead ball and a drop? This is described in Law 3. If in the opinion of the referee, the outside agent (parent) did not impede the defender(s) play the ball, then the goal should be allowed. Based on your description, the parent screened the keeper, and if u mean by this it impede the keeper to play the ball then it is a dead ball (drop ball) from the place where the parent interfered with play. Note that, if in the opinion of the referee, the ball was going to goal, and the outside agent (parent) did not prevent the defense to play the ball, the goal is awarded even if touches the outside agent. This is not the case, if the interference is by a member of the attacking team. In this case the goal is disallowed. This is one reason youth leagues mandate no persons can be behind the goal lines. |
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Post by kidsocceruber on Oct 15, 2022 16:38:33 GMT -5
Here's one for the refs and armchair refs to discuss. U12 game playing 9 on 9, ball is just outside the penalty area where a late arriving parent is slowly walking across the field and standing in front of the goalkeeper just looking around while the game is going. Ball comes in on the side, across and keeper screened and it goes in. Center ref(maybe 17-18) winds up counting the goal. Mind you u12 it's not the end of the world, records aren't kept. Anything in the handbook for a clueless parent interference? This a dead ball and a drop? This is described in Law 3. If in the opinion of the referee, the outside agent (parent) did not impede the defender(s) play the ball, then the goal should be allowed. Based on your description, the parent screened the keeper, and if u mean by this it impede the keeper to play the ball then it is a dead ball (drop ball) from the place where the parent interfered with play. Note that, if in the opinion of the referee, the ball was going to goal, and the outside agent (parent) did not prevent the defense to play the ball, the goal is awarded even if touches the outside agent. This is not the case, if the interference is by a member of the attacking team. In this case the goal is disallowed. This is one reason youth leagues mandate no persons can be behind the goal lines. Thanks, this is what I wanted to know. Mind you, these are 11 year old kids so seeing an adult randomly in front of them while playing is likely a little confusing so I can't really say who else could have tried making a play on the ball other than the keeper who wasn't able to. The center looked to be very confused trying to make a decision after talking to the AR (also a young adult) that also had a good view, at one point looked like he was going to drop outside the box then just kind of shrugged and pointed to center letting it count. Hopefully he went and asked his head ref afterwards what was the right call to learn from it going forward. |
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Post by triffling on Oct 15, 2022 19:39:01 GMT -5
The simple fact is that this rarely occurs and your average teenage referee working a U12 game would not know what to do. It’s covered in basic referee training, but until you see something happen, it’s hard for inexperienced referees to get right - especially when the coaches are probably just as inexperienced and likely to offer conflicting advice.
I would expect an inexperienced but common sense minded adult referee to at least recognize that it’s an issue.
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Post by Respect on Oct 15, 2022 22:03:33 GMT -5
The simple fact is that this rarely occurs and your average teenage referee working a U12 game would not know what to do. It’s covered in basic referee training, but until you see something happen, it’s hard for inexperienced referees to get right - especially when the coaches are probably just as inexperienced and likely to offer conflicting advice. I would expect an inexperienced but common sense minded adult referee to at least recognize that it’s an issue. It does happen every now and then, e.g., a dog running into the pitch and stopping the ball from going in. My advice for ‘inexperienced’ referees (or spectators, players, coaches) who may not know or remember the LOTGs as plays happen is quite simple: think of the spirit of the game and what would football (soccer) expect. The LOTGs are very consistent across them all and reflect what the spirit of the game is, a safe and sporting fairness game. In this case, ask yourself what is the fair thing to do if ball is going in and outside agent did not impede the defense to play the ball. |
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Post by notcrazysoccerdad on Oct 16, 2022 17:09:01 GMT -5
Here's one for the refs and armchair refs to discuss. U12 game playing 9 on 9, ball is just outside the penalty area where a late arriving parent is slowly walking across the field and standing in front of the goalkeeper just looking around while the game is going. Ball comes in on the side, across and keeper screened and it goes in. Center ref(maybe 17-18) winds up counting the goal. Mind you u12 it's not the end of the world, records aren't kept. Anything in the handbook for a clueless parent interference? This a dead ball and a drop? This is described in Law 3. If in the opinion of the referee, the outside agent (parent) did not impede the defender(s) play the ball, then the goal should be allowed. Based on your description, the parent screened the keeper, and if u mean by this it impede the keeper to play the ball then it is a dead ball (drop ball) from the place where the parent interfered with play. Note that, if in the opinion of the referee, the ball was going to goal, and the outside agent (parent) did not prevent the defense to play the ball, the goal is awarded even if touches the outside agent. This is not the case, if the interference is by a member of the attacking team. In this case the goal is disallowed. This is one reason youth leagues mandate no persons can be behind the goal lines. Good answer, but you forgot the public shaming part. |
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