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USWNT
Nov 10, 2022 21:18:56 GMT -5
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Post by footballer10 on Nov 10, 2022 21:18:56 GMT -5
U17’s Out in group stage (World Cup) U20’s Out in group stage (World Cup)
Senior team loses 3 straight
2-1 England 2-0 Spain 2-1 Germany
US is going downhill and they’re picking up steam
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Nov 10, 2022 21:33:16 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Nov 10, 2022 21:33:16 GMT -5
So much good about club and college soccer.. yet so much bad. Reckoning will come slowly.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 11, 2022 8:49:26 GMT -5
U17’s Out in group stage (World Cup) U20’s Out in group stage (World Cup) Senior team loses 3 straight 2-1 England 2-0 Spain 2-1 Germany US is going downhill and they’re picking up steam Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 9:11:56 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 11, 2022 9:11:56 GMT -5
So who watched the game last night?
I did. This was a finishing issue. I would love to see the stats on expected goals. We had more quality chances by far. Our biggest issue is figuring out how to get the young players to play like a team and not like individuals showing off their skills. It isn't young v old or the political issues with Rapinoe. It is Smith, Pugh, Rodman, etc using their skills to a point and then finding teammates with accurate passes or taking the shot at the first opportunity.
Also if Lindsay Horan's bicycle kick goes 3 inches to the right then she scores rather than the counter attack which hits the post and goes in off Murphy's back. Until that point Germany hadn't done anything worth a sh*t.
Second issue is no one is nearly as good as Ertz at the 6. Our midfield can't figure out how to work together.
Center back pairings need to gel. They also ran out of gas at the end. Crystal Dunn doesn't have pre-pregnancy speed back yet either which hurt us on the final counter in the very end.
This team has more talent and depth and they just don't have it all together yet. But I am not super concerned because 1) I would be shocked for them to win 3 World Cups in a row so wasn't expecting it, 2) they still have 7 months to clean this up and they were rough before 2019 World Cup and 3) it is good for Women's soccer and sports that other countries catch up and I am not such a Homer that I can't see the forest for the trees.
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Nov 11, 2022 9:57:56 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 11, 2022 9:57:56 GMT -5
I only tuned into the 2nd half, because the falcons were utter trash.... Cook was lost. Dunn for some reason had Bello disease and didn't think she needed to track back and defend. Coffey has no right being on this team, sorry. Rodman for all the hype, i think gave the ball away on every touch she had after entering the game. Still don't like Huerta either, just doesn't move the meter for me. The really tall girl isn't my fav either, yes, she can win balls in the air, but that's it. What I saw in the 2nd half was a Germany team that kept the ball, moved it with simple quick 1-2 touches, and counters when necessary. In the 2nd half Germany was the better team for sure. What surprised me the most was how Germany was physically man handling the US and how soft we looked physically. Twitter still blaming college soccer etc, I agree with rifle the college game is healthy --- you see it more often now, raw athleticism is getting weened out, most top teams play soccer. You saw it last night Rodman just right to run past defenders and it didn't work.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 10:09:27 GMT -5
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Post by newposter1 on Nov 11, 2022 10:09:27 GMT -5
This current team may not make it out of group stsge. Looked lackluster at best after Germany scored.
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Post by footballer10 on Nov 11, 2022 10:24:09 GMT -5
US was better team in the last 25 min of the first half. Created plenty of chances and looked to be in control both on and off the ball.
Germany was definitely the better team in the second half all around.
If some of Germany’s shots would of been 3 inches to one way it would of gotten ugly. Horan’s attempt was nice to see.
Alex Morgan is not the same player but there isn’t other alternatives in a true 9 position that has challenged her.
Sophia Smith, Pugh, Sanchez, Horan, Lavelle are some of the better talent on the team.
Most of the subs were shocking besides Sanchez
Hope to see the team fix some of their issues. I agree that this team is individualized compared to other top teams that are playing well together.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 11:04:08 GMT -5
Post by soccerloafer on Nov 11, 2022 11:04:08 GMT -5
I only tuned into the 2nd half, because the falcons were utter trash.... Cook was lost. Dunn for some reason had Bello disease and didn't think she needed to track back and defend. Coffey has no right being on this team, sorry. Rodman for all the hype, i think gave the ball away on every touch she had after entering the game. Still don't like Huerta either, just doesn't move the meter for me. The really tall girl isn't my fav either, yes, she can win balls in the air, but that's it. What I saw in the 2nd half was a Germany team that kept the ball, moved it with simple quick 1-2 touches, and counters when necessary. In the 2nd half Germany was the better team for sure. What surprised me the most was how Germany was physically man handling the US and how soft we looked physically. Twitter still blaming college soccer etc, I agree with rifle the college game is healthy --- you see it more often now, raw athleticism is getting weened out, most top teams play soccer. You saw it last night Rodman just right to run past defenders and it didn't work. Dunn was always an attacking defender, not a defending defender. Like a fast forward who couldn't finish so they drop her to outside back and hope for the best.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 11, 2022 11:14:27 GMT -5
US was better team in the last 25 min of the first half. Created plenty of chances and looked to be in control both on and off the ball. Germany was definitely the better team in the second half all around. If some of Germany’s shots would of been 3 inches to one way it would of gotten ugly. Horan’s attempt was nice to see. Alex Morgan is not the same player but there isn’t other alternatives in a true 9 position that has challenged her. Sophia Smith, Pugh, Sanchez, Horan, Lavelle are some of the better talent on the team. Most of the subs were shocking besides Sanchez Hope to see the team fix some of their issues. I agree that this team is individualized compared to other top teams that are playing well together. Alex needs balls fed to her. She is best running behind the defense and on crosses. She has never been one to dribble around people. Not her skill set. These new kids are so talented but don't play simple. Sometimes I think they are trying to impress. It reminds me of watching an college ID camp. Lots of individual skill and no working together. Dunn did remind me of Bello but I think that is a fitness issue. Germany did not impress me at all in the first half. Lots of sloppy play. Gave the ball away in defensive third at least 4 or 5 times early in the game. If we were more clinical finishing it would have been 3 or 4 to nothing in our favor. Horan had a header barely miss and the bicycle hit the post. I think it is just changing out the squad that has been an issue. Not sure when they will gel but they will. Again. Not a major problem. These are friendlies. Designed to see what works and what doesn't.
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Post by dabe on Nov 11, 2022 12:30:29 GMT -5
U17’s Out in group stage (World Cup) U20’s Out in group stage (World Cup) Senior team loses 3 straight 2-1 England 2-0 Spain 2-1 Germany US is going downhill and they’re picking up steam Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now. I'm curious to know how you're so familiar with the inner workings of relationships on a team, I assume you're not a part of? The U.S. has started losing more recently because younger players are coming in. There's going to be a natural shift. We're losing all of our vets and the "freshman" are coming in. However, over the course 20+ years the women's game was also changing. Women's sports in general are being taken more seriously (in part because of the likes of Rapinoe, Biles, Putellas, Kerr, Williams, Angel City FC etc.). It's easy to blame everything on Rapinoe because you don't like what she's saying, but the reality is that everyone else is getting better and the U.S. has reached a plateau. The U.S. system of "pay to play" continues to be our downfall and until it doesn't cost $10k+ per year to play an "elite" level of soccer we will continue to suffer for it. Not a single other country dwindles down their player pool as much as the U.S. does. U.S. soccer (at all levels) sucks the creativity out of the game. "Take the ball to the corner, send it into the box, hope someone gets a head on it." "Play it simple. Don't take risks. Don't hold the ball too long." This almost robotic style of play is predictable and worked for a while, but then the rest of the world learned how to defend it. Finally, kids aren't striving to play professionally, they're looking for college scholarships and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's be honest with ourselves. The D1 to professional level pipeline doesn't work. D1 college ball is laughable when compared to teams like Spain, OL, PSG and Chelsea.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 11, 2022 13:21:32 GMT -5
Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now. I'm curious to know how you're so familiar with the inner workings of relationships on a team, I assume you're not a part of? The U.S. has started losing more recently because younger players are coming in. There's going to be a natural shift. We're losing all of our vets and the "freshman" are coming in. However, over the course 20+ years the women's game was also changing. Women's sports in general are being taken more seriously (in part because of the likes of Rapinoe, Biles, Putellas, Kerr, Williams, Angel City FC etc.). It's easy to blame everything on Rapinoe because you don't like what she's saying, but the reality is that everyone else is getting better and the U.S. has reached a plateau. The U.S. system of "pay to play" continues to be our downfall and until it doesn't cost $10k+ per year to play an "elite" level of soccer we will continue to suffer for it. Not a single other country dwindles down their player pool as much as the U.S. does. U.S. soccer (at all levels) sucks the creativity out of the game. "Take the ball to the corner, send it into the box, hope someone gets a head on it." "Play it simple. Don't take risks. Don't hold the ball too long." This almost robotic style of play is predictable and worked for a while, but then the rest of the world learned how to defend it. Finally, kids aren't striving to play professionally, they're looking for college scholarships and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's be honest with ourselves. The D1 to professional level pipeline doesn't work. D1 college ball is laughable when compared to teams like Spain, OL, PSG and Chelsea. 30+ years of adulting, working, building teams - easy to see the damage done when toxic personalities disrupt the group dynamic. I agree with the rest of your post. We have fallen behind.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5
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Post by flix on Nov 11, 2022 14:21:19 GMT -5
The excuse is probably their travel accommodations aren’t up to par.
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Post by randomparent on Nov 11, 2022 15:07:37 GMT -5
Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now. I'm curious to know how you're so familiar with the inner workings of relationships on a team, I assume you're not a part of? The U.S. has started losing more recently because younger players are coming in. There's going to be a natural shift. We're losing all of our vets and the "freshman" are coming in. However, over the course 20+ years the women's game was also changing. Women's sports in general are being taken more seriously (in part because of the likes of Rapinoe, Biles, Putellas, Kerr, Williams, Angel City FC etc.). It's easy to blame everything on Rapinoe because you don't like what she's saying, but the reality is that everyone else is getting better and the U.S. has reached a plateau. The U.S. system of "pay to play" continues to be our downfall and until it doesn't cost $10k+ per year to play an "elite" level of soccer we will continue to suffer for it. Not a single other country dwindles down their player pool as much as the U.S. does. U.S. soccer (at all levels) sucks the creativity out of the game. "Take the ball to the corner, send it into the box, hope someone gets a head on it." "Play it simple. Don't take risks. Don't hold the ball too long." This almost robotic style of play is predictable and worked for a while, but then the rest of the world learned how to defend it. Finally, kids aren't striving to play professionally, they're looking for college scholarships and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's be honest with ourselves. The D1 to professional level pipeline doesn't work. D1 college ball is laughable when compared to teams like Spain, OL, PSG and Chelsea. We have plenty of players to be successful. But the USWNT treating the team like a social group and not a professional sports organization, that is what I will chalk up their issues too.
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Post by rifle on Nov 11, 2022 16:38:35 GMT -5
U17’s Out in group stage (World Cup) U20’s Out in group stage (World Cup) Senior team loses 3 straight 2-1 England 2-0 Spain 2-1 Germany US is going downhill and they’re picking up steam Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now. So your theory is one outspoken queer woman turned all the U17 and U20 and full USNT players into snowflakes, and they melted? I don’t think I’m onboard with that theory.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 18:03:09 GMT -5
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Post by footballer10 on Nov 11, 2022 18:03:09 GMT -5
Turning point was Rapinoe's politicization of the team. Destroyed the vibe and relationships on the team by focusing on differences instead of commonalities. Pervasive in the system now. I'm curious to know how you're so familiar with the inner workings of relationships on a team, I assume you're not a part of? The U.S. has started losing more recently because younger players are coming in. There's going to be a natural shift. We're losing all of our vets and the "freshman" are coming in. However, over the course 20+ years the women's game was also changing. Women's sports in general are being taken more seriously (in part because of the likes of Rapinoe, Biles, Putellas, Kerr, Williams, Angel City FC etc.). It's easy to blame everything on Rapinoe because you don't like what she's saying, but the reality is that everyone else is getting better and the U.S. has reached a plateau. The U.S. system of "pay to play" continues to be our downfall and until it doesn't cost $10k+ per year to play an "elite" level of soccer we will continue to suffer for it. Not a single other country dwindles down their player pool as much as the U.S. does. U.S. soccer (at all levels) sucks the creativity out of the game. "Take the ball to the corner, send it into the box, hope someone gets a head on it." "Play it simple. Don't take risks. Don't hold the ball too long." This almost robotic style of play is predictable and worked for a while, but then the rest of the world learned how to defend it. Finally, kids aren't striving to play professionally, they're looking for college scholarships and there is nothing wrong with that, but let's be honest with ourselves. The D1 to professional level pipeline doesn't work. D1 college ball is laughable when compared to teams like Spain, OL, PSG and Chelsea. That’s a great point. Take a look at Spain’s 17’s that just won the World Cup. Their best player (MVP of the tournament) plays along side Aitana, Alexia (2nd time Balón D’Or), and many top players at FC Barcelona. A hand full of others on that team are playing pro as well or will be in the next year. I also think the US 17’s have some good talent but as you said it, they’re headed to college to play. (I also agree that there is nothing wrong with that) Two very different paths that in turn have very different outcomes.
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USWNT
Nov 11, 2022 19:14:29 GMT -5
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Post by jimm0811 on Nov 11, 2022 19:14:29 GMT -5
So tiresome. Megan Rapinoe dare say something that you don’t agree with and suddenly this is the tipping point for all that is wrong with uswnt. How about the team is in a period of transition with many older players giving way to new dynamic players like Smith. These ladies have damn near a year to figure it out. In the words of Aaron Rogers…”relax”.
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Post by fanatic21 on Nov 11, 2022 22:12:53 GMT -5
I watch US vs Germany. Felt like US should have won. No one has mentioned this, but there was a pretty obvious penalty in the first half that wasn't called when Germany defender hacked Horan down. Pretty shocked that a ref working this level game would have missed it. It was blatant. Would have definitely gone to VAR if they were using it and been called. US definitely does need to get better in front of goal, but the ref makes that call, and a few inches difference on at least 2 off the bar and Horan's first half header that was a couple inches wide, and a better decision from Pugh when she stole the ball off a goal kick (had Morgan for an easy finish and took one too many dribbles) and they would have had 5 or 6 goals. In contrast though, I thought they got outplayed pretty badly against England and Spain. Considering the Germany game was the most recent, maybe they are heading in the right direction. The US may not be the outright favorite to win the WC this year, but they will still be contenders and at least one of the favorites. Initial poster mentioned that the U17s went out in the group stage, but they actually won their group and got knocked out in pks in the quarterfinals against Nigeria. In the game they lost (in PKs) they had the same issue the full team had against Germany. Had a ton of chances to score and didn't. And the goal they gave up was a pretty questionable penalty call (by VAR in this case though). The U17s also did actually beat and tie Spain (who won the WC) in friendlies a few months before the tournament. They also beat Japan and Germany who were two of the top teams in the tournament. The 20s on the other hand did struggle a bit in the WC and didn't get out of their group, but I think they did beat France, Netherlands, and Mexico in a pre-WC tournament. As others have said, the rest of the world is catching up - they are starting to invest more in the women's game. But this is a good thing, and I don't think the rest of the world has passed the US in the women's game - at least not yet, they are just making it more competitive and interesting. I'm not concered. I'd rather the US be challenged instead of consistently being the most dominant team in the world.
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USWNT
Nov 14, 2022 10:00:09 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 14, 2022 10:00:09 GMT -5
They got the win last night.... But honestly, it was with old school USA goals -- speed kills, some nice through balls and pugh working hard to get behind the defense, she actually missed a 1v1 that should have been buried.
they went down 1-0 and it wasn't looking good. But give them credit they fought to get 2 and win the game, but sill looked to be outplayed at times and clear difference in playing styles for sure. Germany had an injury early that changed the game a bit.
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Post by bogan on Nov 14, 2022 10:37:31 GMT -5
They got the win last night.... But honestly, they would old school USA goals -- speed kills, some nice through balls and pugh working hard to get behind the defense, she actually missed a 1v1 that should have been buried. they went down 1-0 and it wasn't looking good. But give them credit they fought to get 2 and win the game, but sill looked to be outplayed at times and clear difference in playing styles for sure. Germany had an injury early that changed the game a bit. Very open ended in the second half. Fun game to watch!
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USWNT
Feb 17, 2023 18:02:48 GMT -5
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Post by soccerparent02 on Feb 17, 2023 18:02:48 GMT -5
USWNT into politics...just wow!
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Feb 24, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -5
Post by soccerlegacy on Feb 24, 2023 11:11:06 GMT -5
USWNT into politics...just wow! explain please.
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