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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 6, 2022 8:35:45 GMT -5
unreal game.
I thought UCLA was playing great, but couldn't find the net.
Heels go up 1-0 and are starting to create chances. then a nice cross, heels heads the ball in the six and some how beats the keeper far post, upper nighty on a floater.
2-0 heels,75th minute
< 10 minutes left, chaos -- ucla scores.
2-1 <10 to go.
UCLA is pounding. Heels are delaying.
16 seconds left, #10 Ally Lemos, the nastiest freshman I've seen, so nasty - hits a corner and that's all she wrote.
Ucla, then scores in the last 2 minutes of OT to win. incredible game.
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Post by soccerloafer on Dec 6, 2022 9:00:32 GMT -5
Apparently you're allowed to shove the goalkeeper into the net, preventing her from making a play on the ball (tying goal). I'll remember that when I'm working HS games this spring.
Other than that, fairly fun game to watch. UNC owned first 60 minutes, UCLA the rest.
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Post by soccerfam404 on Dec 6, 2022 9:00:41 GMT -5
Wasn’t that a foul against UCLa’s goal to tie up the game? Big no call that decided the game. uNc women robbed.
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on Dec 6, 2022 9:04:46 GMT -5
We watched the second half and all of OT. Unreal game. We were rooting for UNC since that was my wife’s dream school coming out of HS (she landed at UNCG and stayed there).
What did you think of UCLA’s tying goal? I think it should have been a foul on 15 - she used her body to shove the UNC keeper into the net so she had no chance to get the ball.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 6, 2022 9:49:55 GMT -5
nothing to see here, move along -- goal UCLA - 2-2, lets go to OT......
To add insult to injury -- heels have lost 4 straight basketball games and have lost 3 straight football games.... Tough few weeks for the heels
impossible to see even on the replay what happened, there is another angle from the corner, where it does look keeper might take a bump, but she seems to jump up and backwards - my question is this: it looked like the ball might have gone straight in off the corner from a right footed kicker, again #10 is a legend already, can't say enough how much I lover her game. She slowed down a bit in this game, i think up till this game she played every minute of every game in the tourney. She was much more saucy in the Bama game, hitting balls with the outside of her feet, perfect pace, bending balls, incredible first touch etc. Special Player.
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Post by bolo on Dec 6, 2022 11:07:53 GMT -5
We watched the second half and all of OT. Unreal game. We were rooting for UNC since that was my wife’s dream school coming out of HS (she landed at UNCG and stayed there). What did you think of UCLA’s tying goal? I think it should have been a foul on 15 - she used her body to shove the UNC keeper into the net so she had no chance to get the ball. Yeah, watching the replay (link to full highlights below via YouTube), #15 for UCLA just walks the UNC keeper back into the goal- while holding her right arm down, I might add- which I would tend to think isn't exactly allowed. But in a situation like that, I'm absolutely not shocked to see that not get called. Ref was standing at the top of the box with about 10 players between her & where the action ultimately was in front of the goal. It would take a lot of guts to make a foul call in that situation. Clearly the easiest thing to do was to let it go, which she did (whether she was able to see it or not). |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 6, 2022 11:57:55 GMT -5
Wow -- i figured the UNC keeper was short, she is listed at 5-11. She does not look 5-11 on the field.
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Post by dabe on Dec 6, 2022 12:09:17 GMT -5
Terrible no-call. You can see the UCLA player's arm go into UNC Keeper. Even if she hadn't shoved her, the NCAA has set a precedent for calling much lesser interference fouls.
The ref was terrible throughout the game—several fouls on both sides that should have been called. Once again, the women's game is on the back burner, and players on all sides suffer for it...
I wish MA could have won the title without the controversy. But, unfortunately, to make history and have half of the viewers think you earned it unjustly has to sting.
Signed a UNC Fan
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 6, 2022 13:45:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was shown on the telecast. During the break after regulation time and before the OT begun, one of the UNC coaches went to the GK and was coaching her to jostle (push by his actions) players from UCLA out of her way on the corner. Nevertheless, I think this tweet captures the feels on the faux foul...
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Post by soccerloafer on Dec 6, 2022 15:19:19 GMT -5
Terrible no-call. You can see the UCLA player's arm go into UNC Keeper. Even if she hadn't shoved her, the NCAA has set a precedent for calling much lesser interference fouls. The ref was terrible throughout the game—several fouls on both sides that should have been called. Once again, the women's game is on the back burner, and players on all sides suffer for it... I wish MA could have won the title without the controversy. But, unfortunately, to make history and have half of the viewers think you earned it unjustly has to sting. Signed a UNC Fan I'll take heat for this comment, but it is 100% accurate: This is the result of using the best available female referee instead of the best available referee. The ref was ok for the first 60 minutes, then realized the foul count was like 12-1 against UCLA. Evened it up several no calls (which resulted in retaliation foul and card against a UNC player) and soft calls against UNC. She let the UNC keeper get pushed around all night. Not a great piece of work by any standard. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Dec 6, 2022 22:25:28 GMT -5
I swear this is Dejavu, all over again 🙃🙂🙃
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Post by Respect on Dec 6, 2022 23:46:31 GMT -5
Terrible no-call. You can see the UCLA player's arm go into UNC Keeper. Even if she hadn't shoved her, the NCAA has set a precedent for calling much lesser interference fouls. The ref was terrible throughout the game—several fouls on both sides that should have been called. Once again, the women's game is on the back burner, and players on all sides suffer for it... I wish MA could have won the title without the controversy. But, unfortunately, to make history and have half of the viewers think you earned it unjustly has to sting. Signed a UNC Fan I'll take heat for this comment, but it is 100% accurate: This is the result of using the best available female referee instead of the best available referee. The ref was ok for the first 60 minutes, then realized the foul count was like 12-1 against UCLA. Evened it up several no calls (which resulted in retaliation foul and card against a UNC player) and soft calls against UNC. She let the UNC keeper get pushed around all night. Not a great piece of work by any standard. I’m not sure there’s a foul here. It seems to me that the keeper initiated the contact, trying to push away the attacking player then tried to backtrack as she saw the ball curving in. I don’t see the attacking player holding keeper’s right arm to impede her movement. Keeper realized her precarious position and tried using her left arm/hand as ball was bending inwards to her left. IF there was a foul it was not a bad judgment call from referee; from her position it was impossible to see the keeper arm’s being held. It would be simply a missed foul leading to a no call, not a bad judgement call per say. I don’t see any other foul or push on the goalkeeper as some other opinions made. |
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Post by rifle on Dec 7, 2022 6:27:42 GMT -5
Olimpico
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Post by rocko1989 on Dec 7, 2022 7:38:39 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this was shown on the telecast. During the break after regulation time and before the OT begun, one of the UNC coaches went to the GK and was coaching her to jostle (push by his actions) players from UCLA out of her way on the corner. Nevertheless, I think this tweet captures the feels on the faux foul... This is a perfect summation of sports and fandom. My team never commits a foul. The other team always commits a foul. We see it in all sports, and it is understandable due to the emotion of the moment. |
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Post by dc on Dec 7, 2022 10:17:11 GMT -5
I'll take heat for this comment, but it is 100% accurate: This is the result of using the best available female referee instead of the best available referee. The ref was ok for the first 60 minutes, then realized the foul count was like 12-1 against UCLA. Evened it up several no calls (which resulted in retaliation foul and card against a UNC player) and soft calls against UNC. She let the UNC keeper get pushed around all night. Not a great piece of work by any standard. I’m not sure there’s a foul here. It seems to me that the keeper initiated the contact, trying to push away the attacking player then tried to backtrack as she saw the ball curving in. I don’t see the attacking player holding keeper’s right arm to impede her movement. Keeper realized her precarious position and tried using her left arm/hand as ball was bending inwards to her left. IF there was a foul it was not a bad judgment call from referee; from her position it was impossible to see the keeper arm’s being held. It would be simply a missed foul leading to a no call, not a bad judgement call per say. I don’t see any other foul or push on the goalkeeper as some other opinions made. Good analysis. No foul. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Dec 7, 2022 10:50:43 GMT -5
"IF there was a foul it was not a bad judgment call from referee; from her position it was impossible to see the keeper arm’s being held."
That's my point on the referee. On several previous corners, the UNC GK was getting pushed around. The referee should have addressed it earlier AND changed her position OR charged her AR with keeping a better watch on the goal mouth.
As a referee, you have to adjust your positioning during the match to deal with areas of conflict.
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Post by fanatic21 on Dec 7, 2022 11:39:14 GMT -5
I watched most of the games and was confused by a handful of the referee's calls. I did see the foul count at one point, and it heavily favored NC (more fouls on UCLA), and it did seem like maybe the ref was trying to level it out a little in the second half. However, I don't think she missed anything game critical (maybe a couple fouls close to the penalty area where a free kick could have been served in, but wouldn't necessarily call those game critical) - I have to go with the no call on UCLA's goal in the final seconds as well. Maybe some justification to call a foul, but I think there's stronger justification not to (Chris Hall's Tweet above is pretty spot on). UCLA player has every right to stand next to the GK. Looked to me like GK actually initiated the first contact with her arm. UCLA player's eyes are looking up, tracking the ball which is going right across the goal line, so her movement toward the goal makes sense. UCLA player looks to be moving just as the GK is to try and get in position to play the ball, but it goes over both of their heads. There's not really much jockeying at all before the ball is played, maybe a tiny bit (it starts just as the corner is taken), so not sure if the ref needed to get involved (like how some refs hold the corner and talk to players who are jostling for position before the ball is played). If the goalkeeper is a field player, I'd say definitely not a foul. I fault UNC for not marking that player. Put someone on her that can body her out of there a little.
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Post by datrain on Dec 7, 2022 12:33:32 GMT -5
I'll give you this. The UNC defenders should have done more to protect her. Furthermore, the UNC goalie has to defend herself. But....if that is either of my two keepers, that UCLA defender is getting my kid's size 11 cleats in her Achilles. That is unequivocally a foul, the defender clearly and willfully shoved the UNC keeper into the goal. No doubt about it. If I was Dorrance, I would have lost my marbles.....I definitely would have been carded. There needs to be accountability for the entire crew for not calling that.
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Post by fanatic21 on Dec 8, 2022 8:34:42 GMT -5
Amazing that a bunch of soccer people can see the same play (and most of us likely watched it close up in slow motion - I even went back and watched it 3 or 4 times in slow motion) and have vastly different opinions about whether or not there was a foul. Think about the refs who have to make decisions like these from one angle in real time. And get yelled at for not making what some people perceive to be the right call. Does anyone know if according to NCAA soccer rules the play was reviewable? They did review one play to determine whether or not a ball had fully crossed the line into the goal. Personally, I think if it had been reviewed, she would have stuck with her call. Some of you said definitely or unequivocally a foul. I disagree. Maybe a little debatable, but definitely not clear and obvious error (I stated my reasons why I didn't think it was a foul in a previous post). Which is maybe why it wasn't reviewed. Or maybe college rules don't allow for reveiw in that situation anyway.
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Post by soccerloafer on Dec 8, 2022 10:08:21 GMT -5
Amazing that a bunch of soccer people can see the same play (and most of us likely watched it close up in slow motion - I even went back and watched it 3 or 4 times in slow motion) and have vastly different opinions about whether or not there was a foul. Think about the refs who have to make decisions like these from one angle in real time. And get yelled at for not making what some people perceive to be the right call. Does anyone know if according to NCAA soccer rules the play was reviewable? They did review one play to determine whether or not a ball had fully crossed the line into the goal. Personally, I think if it had been reviewed, she would have stuck with her call. Some of you said definitely or unequivocally a foul. I disagree. Maybe a little debatable, but definitely not clear and obvious error (I stated my reasons why I didn't think it was a foul in a previous post). Which is maybe why it wasn't reviewed. Or maybe college rules don't allow for reveiw in that situation anyway. Play was not reviewable per NCAA rules. During the game, they listed reviewable plays - basically goal / no goal and tracking down players to discipline. Agree that watching that one singular play was hard to call foul / no-foul. During a game, as a referee, you pay attention to everything leading up to an incident. In this case, there were multiple incidents of the keeper getting muscled around, so the situation leans toward a foul. Another example, I see a player 'almost fouling' his opponent at several challenges - a light hit, maybe late, a little push - unnecessary contact but not a foul. Then there is an incident where I'm slightly shielded and don't directly see contact, but the opponent is upended (I see just before and just after - happens a lot actually). Probably going to call that foul, because it probably was a foul. Same situation here with the keeper. Each play is not isolated, but fits into the flow of the game. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Dec 8, 2022 10:26:30 GMT -5
My bigger question is the offside call during the bama vs ucla game -- bama scored on a beautiful header, and then were called offside. We never really saw any angles that confirmed the call.
go to the minutes 2:05 on the video
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Post by dc on Dec 8, 2022 12:10:24 GMT -5
My bigger question is the offside call during the bama vs ucla game -- bama scored on a beautiful header, and then were called offside. We never really saw any angles that confirmed the call. go to the minutes 2:05 on the video I couldn't tell if the right call was made on that header since I couldn't see if the AR who made the call was female or male.  |
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Post by soccerloafer on Dec 8, 2022 14:01:38 GMT -5
My bigger question is the offside call during the bama vs ucla game -- bama scored on a beautiful header, and then were called offside. We never really saw any angles that confirmed the call. go to the minutes 2:05 on the video Offsides on the through ball. Attacker was standing in the shadow of the defender, which was projected slightly behind based on the angle of the lights. Close, but off. |
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