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Post by chuckyb on Oct 3, 2014 19:09:21 GMT -5
So... We just moved across the country. We have been into club soccer for a minute as well. One of the things we noticed was the difference in style of play, the diversity among the kids, the parents' interaction with each other, and the coaches vary as well.
I don't want to ruffle feathers, but it seems like Georgia has A LOT of kids playing... from Rec to High Level Club. So, I would like to ask these questions:
How much talent comes out of G.A. Nationally?
Is the diversity the same in other Southern States?
How serious is the ODP and National Exposure for G.A?
What Club is on top right now with producing National Championships and players making it to Soccer being a career?
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Post by soccergator on Oct 3, 2014 19:37:51 GMT -5
ga united had 3 kids on the u14 national team this past spring, and a 4th that chose to play with UFA'a 14 last year instead of playing DA. that team won the national championship.
concorde has a long history of sending players to top colleges.
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Post by special1 on Oct 3, 2014 20:52:11 GMT -5
So... We just moved across the country. We have been into club soccer for a minute as well. One of the things we noticed was the difference in style of play, the diversity among the kids, the parents' interaction with each other, and the coaches vary as well. I don't want to ruffle feathers, but it seems like Georgia has A LOT of kids playing... from Rec to High Level Club. So, I would like to ask these questions: How much talent comes out of G.A. Nationally? Is the diversity the same in other Southern States? How serious is the ODP and National Exposure for G.A? What Club is on top right now with producing National Championships and players making it to Soccer being a career? Good questions.....I'm not sure what the difference is from state to state as most of my personal experience is overseas and my kid is only two years deep into the academy soccer here in GA. I'm sure a lot more others can give you more info in terms of contrast. I am interested in knowing more about how they run things in the state you moved from? which state, I'm guessing California or Washington? So i'm throwing back the question back at you>...What type of style do they play out there? and also answers to the questions you asked? From my research in Ga, soccergator seems to be spot-on |
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Post by chuckyb on Oct 4, 2014 15:19:07 GMT -5
I am coming from California. I like to think I'm "Well Informed" and not ignorant to soccer, being that I more or less studied it for 8-9 years and watched it at all levels in California.
The Academy levels, what I think is Select 1 out here, is very talent-crowded at the age of u13-14.
The Academy levels are pretty much fully funded as well, so the poorer and not so fortunate players still play. The Mexican talent is plentiful... So most of the teams that win state cup are around 70-90% Mexican.
The GSA U14 team, I think, is said to have won the National Championship. Which, I have been hearing in Cali, was NOT supposed to happen... Being that Californians SAY they have the most talent and so forth. I've never SEEN the actual National Championships, so all my knowledge is from watching teams come to California and play (besides the national youth soccer show). My son's is U13 and I have picked his brain on this when they went to the Far West Regionals. And that ended up being 2 So Cal teams in the finals. I hear Florida has really good teams, but GA... Even though it's a "South" region... Seems to have a lot of special players and knowledgable coaches.
The style of play in California is not physical and not really totally based on a speed. For instance...
#1: The top teams for U13, in California, back lines gets in TROUBLE for clearing a ball when an open player is open.
#2: The physical and bigger boys at center striker are pretty much a must on the top teams in California. I've noticed that in GA the CS is probably a skilled player with speed. The wings in California are always SUPPOSED to be fast and skilled, so a lot of goals are scored from crosses if not worked through the middle on throughballs.
#3: The influence of "keeping the ball on the ground" is highly promoted in Cali and not so much out here. In GA I've noticed that coaches don't mind chips or balls into space.
I do believe Soccer is a universal sport that is sometimes overly complicated. But, Germany, who is physical, worked the ball around so much on Brazil... That they threw out the theory of them playing like robots. They played more like Brazil in their romp... Than Brazil.
Spain, we all know, is a team that relies on easy passes and movement off the ball too, but like they showed in the world cup... Could be stifled because of EVERYTHING pretty much going through the middle.
Too much pride is the sign of a foolish man, so I'm always trying to learn and negate other theories of soccer vs mine thus making mine (If that makes sense).
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 4, 2014 16:44:04 GMT -5
Not saying it matters - but what's the nationality of most coaches in Cali.
Our club is very English, Scottish, and central/south American. Not a lot of traditional American coaches.
Is Cali team or club oriented?
Are all the big cities like Atalanta, 30+ clubs sharing talent ?
In no Order the big boys in Georgia are
Concorde
UFA
Tophat
Gol/GSA
NASA
Ssa
Afu because of ecnl. Used to have DA.
I'm sure I missed a few.
I think I have 25+ clubs with 25 miles of my house.
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Post by chuckyb on Oct 5, 2014 7:23:10 GMT -5
Not saying it matters - but what's the nationality of most coaches in Cali. Our club is very English, Scottish, and central/south American. Not a lot of traditional American coaches. Is Cali team or club oriented? Are all the big cities like Atalanta, 30+ clubs sharing talent ? In no Order the big boys in Georgia are Concorde UFA Tophat Gol/GSA NASA Ssa Afu because of ecnl. Used to have DA. I'm sure I missed a few. I think I have 25+ clubs with 25 miles of my house. Well, I think the nationality of coaches does make a difference.... In different styles of play. I would say that it's varies, but not as many English or Euro coaches in Cali in comparison to G.A.. Way more American coaches in Cali. I really-really appreciate a knowledgeable English coach vs an American Coach (I.E. California). What do you mean by GA sharing talent? The top talent gets to guest on other top teams or friends teams, but I'm not sure that's what you mean by sharing of talent. Golden State Academy and Surf are probably the top clubs right now in California for boys teams. I would also say... It is very Club oriented, but the top teams receive the benefits of having a big club with backing. For instance, in the Golden State Academy U13 level, they have around 5 teams (none rec), but the top academy team is all funded. I think that is across the board for that club. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 5, 2014 8:03:45 GMT -5
sorry, wrong choice of words. no share talent, but "compete for talent
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Post by special1 on Oct 5, 2014 17:16:38 GMT -5
I am coming from California. I like to think I'm "Well Informed" and not ignorant to soccer, being that I more or less studied it for 8-9 years and watched it at all levels in California. The Academy levels, what I think is Select 1 out here, is very talent-crowded at the age of u13-14. The Academy levels are pretty much fully funded as well, so the poorer and not so fortunate players still play. The Mexican talent is plentiful... So most of the teams that win state cup are around 70-90% Mexican. The GSA U14 team, I think, is said to have won the National Championship. Which, I have been hearing in Cali, was NOT supposed to happen... Being that Californians SAY they have the most talent and so forth. I've never SEEN the actual National Championships, so all my knowledge is from watching teams come to California and play (besides the national youth soccer show). My son's is U13 and I have picked his brain on this when they went to the Far West Regionals. And that ended up being 2 So Cal teams in the finals. I hear Florida has really good teams, but GA... Even though it's a "South" region... Seems to have a lot of special players and knowledgable coaches. The style of play in California is not physical and not really totally based on a speed. For instance... #1: The top teams for U13, in California, back lines gets in TROUBLE for clearing a ball when an open player is open. #2: The physical and bigger boys at center striker are pretty much a must on the top teams in California. I've noticed that in GA the CS is probably a skilled player with speed. The wings in California are always SUPPOSED to be fast and skilled, so a lot of goals are scored from crosses if not worked through the middle on throughballs. #3: The influence of "keeping the ball on the ground" is highly promoted in Cali and not so much out here. In GA I've noticed that coaches don't mind chips or balls into space. I do believe Soccer is a universal sport that is sometimes overly complicated. But, Germany, who is physical, worked the ball around so much on Brazil... That they threw out the theory of them playing like robots. They played more like Brazil in their romp... Than Brazil. Spain, we all know, is a team that relies on easy passes and movement off the ball too, but like they showed in the world cup... Could be stifled because of EVERYTHING pretty much going through the middle. Too much pride is the sign of a foolish man, so I'm always trying to learn and negate other theories of soccer vs mine thus making mine (If that makes sense). Thanks for this info, I have always been keen to know more about SoCal soccer. Brazil did not play like brazillians as we used to know them in this world cup, they were mostly playing euro soccer not the samba. I think Germany was the one team that had young players that all their players were YOUNG, STRONG and ACTIVELY getting playing time and experience at their various clubs in top teams as opposed to other countries, putting together Old players, mixed with young, inexperienced and bench warmers. US could have really used LD to have a real chance to beat Belgium. They were almost lucky on that wondow miss, but scores should have been really bad if Tim Howard didn't put on a great performance. I agree, and this isn't a diss on American coaches. However foreign coaches are much better imo and experience so far. Another question regarding U8/U9 how are goalies picked? are they just rotated or coaches designate someone? |
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Post by special1 on Oct 5, 2014 17:23:05 GMT -5
About brazil in the worldcup, I think Neymar injury and Tiago silva suspension was also a big reason because Neymar was the one player that still plays brazillian soccer from that squad and Silva was their general in the backline
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Post by chuckyb on Oct 6, 2014 7:56:59 GMT -5
About brazil in the worldcup, I think Neymar injury and Tiago silva suspension was also a big reason because Neymar was the one player that still plays brazillian soccer from that squad and Silva was their general in the backline I agree. They also could have used Ronaldhino. |
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Post by chuckyb on Oct 7, 2014 17:08:55 GMT -5
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Post by chuckyb on Oct 7, 2014 17:09:12 GMT -5
I am coming from California. I like to think I'm "Well Informed" and not ignorant to soccer, being that I more or less studied it for 8-9 years and watched it at all levels in California. The Academy levels, what I think is Select 1 out here, is very talent-crowded at the age of u13-14. The Academy levels are pretty much fully funded as well, so the poorer and not so fortunate players still play. The Mexican talent is plentiful... So most of the teams that win state cup are around 70-90% Mexican. The GSA U14 team, I think, is said to have won the National Championship. Which, I have been hearing in Cali, was NOT supposed to happen... Being that Californians SAY they have the most talent and so forth. I've never SEEN the actual National Championships, so all my knowledge is from watching teams come to California and play (besides the national youth soccer show). My son's is U13 and I have picked his brain on this when they went to the Far West Regionals. And that ended up being 2 So Cal teams in the finals. I hear Florida has really good teams, but GA... Even though it's a "South" region... Seems to have a lot of special players and knowledgable coaches. The style of play in California is not physical and not really totally based on a speed. For instance... #1: The top teams for U13, in California, back lines gets in TROUBLE for clearing a ball when an open player is open. #2: The physical and bigger boys at center striker are pretty much a must on the top teams in California. I've noticed that in GA the CS is probably a skilled player with speed. The wings in California are always SUPPOSED to be fast and skilled, so a lot of goals are scored from crosses if not worked through the middle on throughballs. #3: The influence of "keeping the ball on the ground" is highly promoted in Cali and not so much out here. In GA I've noticed that coaches don't mind chips or balls into space. I do believe Soccer is a universal sport that is sometimes overly complicated. But, Germany, who is physical, worked the ball around so much on Brazil... That they threw out the theory of them playing like robots. They played more like Brazil in their romp... Than Brazil. Spain, we all know, is a team that relies on easy passes and movement off the ball too, but like they showed in the world cup... Could be stifled because of EVERYTHING pretty much going through the middle. Too much pride is the sign of a foolish man, so I'm always trying to learn and negate other theories of soccer vs mine thus making mine (If that makes sense). Thanks for this info, I have always been keen to know more about SoCal soccer. Brazil did not play like brazillians as we used to know them in this world cup, they were mostly playing euro soccer not the samba. I think Germany was the one team that had young players that all their players were YOUNG, STRONG and ACTIVELY getting playing time and experience at their various clubs in top teams as opposed to other countries, putting together Old players, mixed with young, inexperienced and bench warmers. US could have really used LD to have a real chance to beat Belgium. They were almost lucky on that wondow miss, but scores should have been really bad if Tim Howard didn't put on a great performance. I agree, and this isn't a diss on American coaches. However foreign coaches are much better imo and experience so far. Another question regarding U8/U9 how are goalies picked? are they just rotated or coaches designate someone? Was my assessment of G.A. soccer style accurate? How would some of you describe the style of play vs. the East? NY, Pens., etc? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 8, 2014 8:46:01 GMT -5
I am coming from California. I like to think I'm "Well Informed" and not ignorant to soccer, being that I more or less studied it for 8-9 years and watched it at all levels in California. The Academy levels, what I think is Select 1 out here, is very talent-crowded at the age of u13-14. The Academy levels are pretty much fully funded as well, so the poorer and not so fortunate players still play. The Mexican talent is plentiful... So most of the teams that win state cup are around 70-90% Mexican. The GSA U14 team, I think, is said to have won the National Championship. Which, I have been hearing in Cali, was NOT supposed to happen... Being that Californians SAY they have the most talent and so forth. I've never SEEN the actual National Championships, so all my knowledge is from watching teams come to California and play (besides the national youth soccer show). My son's is U13 and I have picked his brain on this when they went to the Far West Regionals. And that ended up being 2 So Cal teams in the finals. I hear Florida has really good teams, but GA... Even though it's a "South" region... Seems to have a lot of special players and knowledgable coaches. The style of play in California is not physical and not really totally based on a speed. For instance... #1: The top teams for U13, in California, back lines gets in TROUBLE for clearing a ball when an open player is open. #2: The physical and bigger boys at center striker are pretty much a must on the top teams in California. I've noticed that in GA the CS is probably a skilled player with speed. The wings in California are always SUPPOSED to be fast and skilled, so a lot of goals are scored from crosses if not worked through the middle on throughballs. #3: The influence of "keeping the ball on the ground" is highly promoted in Cali and not so much out here. In GA I've noticed that coaches don't mind chips or balls into space. I do believe Soccer is a universal sport that is sometimes overly complicated. But, Germany, who is physical, worked the ball around so much on Brazil... That they threw out the theory of them playing like robots. They played more like Brazil in their romp... Than Brazil. Spain, we all know, is a team that relies on easy passes and movement off the ball too, but like they showed in the world cup... Could be stifled because of EVERYTHING pretty much going through the middle. Too much pride is the sign of a foolish man, so I'm always trying to learn and negate other theories of soccer vs mine thus making mine (If that makes sense). Thanks for this info, I have always been keen to know more about SoCal soccer. Brazil did not play like brazillians as we used to know them in this world cup, they were mostly playing euro soccer not the samba. I think Germany was the one team that had young players that all their players were YOUNG, STRONG and ACTIVELY getting playing time and experience at their various clubs in top teams as opposed to other countries, putting together Old players, mixed with young, inexperienced and bench warmers. US could have really used LD to have a real chance to beat Belgium. They were almost lucky on that wondow miss, but scores should have been really bad if Tim Howard didn't put on a great performance. I agree, and this isn't a diss on American coaches. However foreign coaches are much better imo and experience so far. Another question regarding U8/U9 how are goalies picked? are they just rotated or coaches designate someone? at u8/u9 usually coaches rotate 3-4 kids in the goal...they ask the kids who wants to do it and a lot of them want to volunteer. The parents don't necessarily like when their kid is in goal. |
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