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Post by guerillaman on Feb 7, 2023 16:54:04 GMT -5
From the wexham afc game today.
interesting, you don't see this often, on a set piece, a player comes from an offside position to receive the ball. I guess since it was a "dead" ball its legal?
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 7, 2023 17:15:44 GMT -5
Does not matter whether it was deadball or live ball. The ref ruled that he was onside at the time that the ball is played (hard to tell for sure but actually appears to be in an offside position when the ball is played). I assume no VAR in 5th division soccer.
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Post by rotgg on Feb 8, 2023 9:25:35 GMT -5
He was onside last guy in line played him on
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 8, 2023 10:14:09 GMT -5
He was onside last guy in line played him on Yep, good call. Didn't see that guy originally. |
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Post by rifle on Feb 8, 2023 19:32:18 GMT -5
I don’t find it remarkable the person that is positioned exactly where they are supposed to be… looking and listening for exactly what’s happening… is able to make the call. I also don’t find it surprising that a bunch of people viewing from bad angles still question the call.
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Post by Respect on Feb 8, 2023 19:47:03 GMT -5
I’d just add, just in case, that there’s never an offside offense if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick (even if the player was in offside position at the time the ball was passed). In any other case, an offside position can be penalized if it falls under the criteria described in LOTG 11.2
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Post by Keeper on Feb 8, 2023 23:05:23 GMT -5
I’d just add, just in case, that there’s never an offside offense if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick (even if the player was in offside position at the time the ball was passed). In any other case, an offside position can be penalized if it falls under the criteria described in LOTG 11.2 This here!!! Love the no offside on goal kick when you’re playing on an NYCFC type field. Same for U12s who can booooooot it. 🤣 |
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Post by rifle on Feb 9, 2023 6:20:59 GMT -5
I’d just add, just in case, that there’s never an offside offense if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick (even if the player was in offside position at the time the ball was passed). In any other case, an offside position can be penalized if it falls under the criteria described in LOTG 11.2 This here!!! Love the no offside on goal kick when you’re playing on an NYCFC type field. Same for U12s who can booooooot it. 🤣 My son had a teammate at U10 who could crush a ball like Ederson.. and his team had a ref at a tournament in Savannah whistle for offside on a long goal kick that resulted in a breakaway. Our coach went bananas, got ejected. Ref was steadfast in the moment. Ref apologized to the coach the next day after figuring it out. It was U10 so everyone got over it. I was a lot more pissed about getting my minivan towed for parking on grass.. #memories. |
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Post by bogan on Feb 9, 2023 6:28:47 GMT -5
This here!!! Love the no offside on goal kick when you’re playing on an NYCFC type field. Same for U12s who can booooooot it. 🤣 My son had a teammate at U10 who could crush a ball like Ederson.. and his team had a ref at a tournament in Savannah whistle for offside on a long goal kick that resulted in a breakaway. Our coach went bananas, got ejected. Ref was steadfast in the moment. Ref apologized to the coach the next day after figuring it out. It was U10 so everyone got over it. I was a lot more pissed about getting my minivan towed for parking on grass.. #memories. I‘d be pissed I had to drive a minivan…😆 |
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Post by bolo on Feb 9, 2023 9:42:24 GMT -5
I’d just add, just in case, that there’s never an offside offense if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick (even if the player was in offside position at the time the ball was passed). In any other case, an offside position can be penalized if it falls under the criteria described in LOTG 11.2 I'll be honest, I watch a lot of soccer (kids & pros) and I had no idea there was no offside on goal kicks until reading this post. Knew about throw-ins & corners but not goal kicks. Learn something new everyday on here- and some of it is actually useful and not "initial-coded" rumors about random coaches & people that run leagues around town! |
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 9, 2023 10:33:15 GMT -5
My son had a teammate at U10 who could crush a ball like Ederson.. and his team had a ref at a tournament in Savannah whistle for offside on a long goal kick that resulted in a breakaway. Our coach went bananas, got ejected. Ref was steadfast in the moment. Ref apologized to the coach the next day after figuring it out. It was U10 so everyone got over it. I was a lot more pissed about getting my minivan towed for parking on grass.. #memories. I‘d be pissed I had to drive a minivan…😆 Minivans are the bomb. Way more practical than a big SUV. More space, easier to park, move around while driving. Ok, they don't look cool, but we could hit 110 in the Sienna as needed, or cruise at 85 and get 28 mpg while being invisible to traffic cops. Went through so many speed traps at 85+ and the cop would just nod at me, probably out of sympathy. Came over a hill into a state trooper fundraiser, passing an X5 on the right, close to 90 mph. Guess who the cop pulled over? Not me. Guy in the X5 was pissed. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 9, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -5
Back to the play -- the player came from an offside position to receive the ball, is that not a problem?
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Post by bogan on Feb 9, 2023 11:06:31 GMT -5
I‘d be pissed I had to drive a minivan…😆 Minivans are the bomb. Way more practical than a big SUV. More space, easier to park, move around while driving. Ok, they don't look cool, but we could hit 110 in the Sienna as needed, or cruise at 85 and get 28 mpg while being invisible to traffic cops. Went through so many speed traps at 85+ and the cop would just nod at me, probably out of sympathy. Came over a hill into a state trooper fundraiser, passing an X5 on the right, close to 90 mph. Guess who the cop pulled over? Not me. Guy in the X5 was pissed. I’ve always driven a truck; but, we generally take the wife’s sedan to soccer games. I’ve never had an SUV-I hear they are nice, though! |
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Post by mightydawg on Feb 9, 2023 11:56:07 GMT -5
Back to the play -- the player came from an offside position to receive the ball, is that not a problem? Because the player was not offside at the time the ball was played by a teammate. Law 11: 2. Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: |
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 9, 2023 11:58:21 GMT -5
Back to the play -- the player came from an offside position to receive the ball, is that not a problem? Player looked to be at least even when the ball was played. |
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Post by Respect on Feb 9, 2023 12:21:14 GMT -5
Back to the play -- the player came from an offside position to receive the ball, is that not a problem? Because the player was not offside at the time the ball was played by a teammate. Law 11: 2. Offside offence A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: In general, being in an offside position is not illegal (offence) even if a player comes from an offside position to become active in play. As mightydawg indicates, this will only be considered an offside offense if, at the moment the ball is played (or touched) by a teammate, the player who became active in play (or gained an advantage) was on an offside position. Note that receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately (i.e., not a rebound or save) plays the ball, even if a deliberate handball, is not considered an offside offence, even if the receiving player was in an offside position. An interesting scenario you may want to be aware of (which further highlights the point that being in offside position is not an offence), it’s that a player who is in offside position moves towards the ball with the intend to play the ball, but he/she is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball (including challenging for the ball) is not penalized for an offside offense. Instead, a foul should be given in favor of the player who was initially in offside position and restart based on LOTG 12 (Fouls and Misconducts). This call above assumes the ball is in play at the moment of the foul. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 9, 2023 12:36:44 GMT -5
I’d just add, just in case, that there’s never an offside offense if a player receives the ball directly from a goal kick, throw in, or corner kick (even if the player was in offside position at the time the ball was passed). In any other case, an offside position can be penalized if it falls under the criteria described in LOTG 11.2 I'll be honest, I watch a lot of soccer (kids & pros) and I had no idea there was no offside on goal kicks until reading this post. Knew about throw-ins & corners but not goal kicks. Learn something new everyday on here- and some of it is actually useful and not "initial-coded" rumors about random coaches & people that run leagues around town! You don't know how many times I have been yelled at by both parents, players, and even some coaches when I center a game (especially in 9v9 and 7v7 scenarios but had it happen in 11v11 as well a bunch) telling me the kid was offside on a goal kick and had no clue you couldn't be offside on a goal kick. I love telling them to look up the laws of the game when they disagree with me. |
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Post by soccerloafer on Feb 9, 2023 20:01:01 GMT -5
"You don't know how many times I have been yelled at by both parents, players, and even some coaches when I center a game (especially in 9v9 and 7v7 scenarios but had it happen in 11v11 as well a bunch) telling me the kid was offside on a goal kick and had no clue you couldn't be offside on a goal kick.
I love telling them to look up the laws of the game when they disagree with me."
Here's another one. Handling in HS is different than club. Players are allowed to protect themselves, so covering vital areas, even reflexively, is not a foul, no matter what happens to the ball.
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Post by rifle on Feb 9, 2023 21:44:54 GMT -5
If you don’t have a grasp of basic rules of play please STFU on the sidelines. You’re embarrassing your kid, your fellow fans and yourself. Please and thank you.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Feb 10, 2023 14:22:42 GMT -5
Here's another one. Handling in HS is different than club. Players are allowed to protect themselves, so covering vital areas, even reflexively, is not a foul, no matter what happens to the ball. This one in younger ages I don't enforce as much as I do in 11v11 because of the maturity level of the kids, but if you are playing 11v11 though you should know not to put your hands up etc... Now protecting and covering the groin area shouldn't be a handball offense regardless of whether it hits their hands or not. That would be arms in a natural position in my opinion and not making themselves bigger. That being said in a 11v11 game if a player didn't have time to get their hands/arms out of the way because somebody blasted a ball within 5-10 feet of them if they put their hands up to protect their faces I'm not generally going to call that. Not to mention if they put their hands in front of their face they generally aren't making themselves bigger than their body anyway their arms are just raised a bit within their body frame. The High School rules on that fall more in line with how I call a lot of Academy/Select games anyway though with variations here and there. |
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