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Post by dabe on Feb 27, 2023 16:17:00 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but if your kid played on an E64 team this year, I think we deserve a medal. At the very least a cookie...
To incoming parents. Don't fall for it. It's not elite and it's not worth it. My oldest played 6 games this year. The only reason we stayed was because her team from last year was moved into "Elite 64" and we didn't want to change clubs.
I knew going in it was going to be rough (and once again super far from "elite"), but I had no idea it would be this hellish.
Smart move by Orlando to get out as soon as possible.
Would love to hear other experiences. Hoping I'm not alone in this.
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Post by atlchiefs on Feb 27, 2023 17:55:22 GMT -5
You are correct. The southeast region for e64 older girls was a hot mess this year and continues to have club oriented issues at older age groups. The boys side worked out just fine as did every other region for boys and girls. The two clubs, FL and NC, that literally pulled out last minute caused a train wreck in the southeast region.
Then, since the local e64 girls were only e64, and not ECNL or ECNL-R as in other regions, the commitment level suffered. ECNL expects their players to play their league above any other activity, including high school. The e64 local older girls do not have the same commitment level. They want to play high school first and then e64 as time allows - in my experience.
The Orlando showcase rocked! The local ATL e64 girls played great competition. College coaches managed most opposing club e64 teams at that event. And those teams contained many ECNL and ECNL-R players.
In terms of the other regional competition, you had the south FLA Boca team coached by Patrick Baker, previous UGA coach. And they were the real deal with multiple national pool / team players, just as a for instance.
So, the southeast region schedule for the older girls did not work out so well this past fall. But the games played were at a high level. The program admins are working out the wrinkles. So next fall should be a sight better.
There are two showcases remaining, NC in March and nationals in the summer. Find out if your team is committed enough to attend.
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Post by dabe on Feb 27, 2023 21:10:32 GMT -5
You are correct. The southeast region for e64 older girls was a hot mess this year and continues to have club oriented issues at older age groups. The boys side worked out just fine as did every other region for boys and girls. The two clubs, FL and NC, that literally pulled out last minute caused a train wreck in the southeast region. Then, since the local e64 girls were only e64, and not ECNL or ECNL-R as in other regions, the commitment level suffered. ECNL expects their players to play their league above any other activity, including high school. The e64 local older girls do not have the same commitment level. They want to play high school first and then e64 as time allows - in my experience. The Orlando showcase rocked! The local ATL e64 girls played great competition. College coaches managed most opposing club e64 teams at that event. And those teams contained many ECNL and ECNL-R players. In terms of the other regional competition, you had the south FLA Boca team coached by Patrick Baker, previous UGA coach. And they were the real deal with multiple national pool / team players, just as a for instance. So, the southeast region schedule for the older girls did not work out so well this past fall. But the games played were at a high level. The program admins are working out the wrinkles. So next fall should be a sight better. There are two showcases remaining, NC in March and nationals in the summer. Find out if your team is committed enough to attend. We're obviously at different clubs... |
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Post by atlrumors on Feb 27, 2023 22:06:52 GMT -5
E64 is a joke. I genuinely feel bad for the parents that bought into that.
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Post by Topline Soccer on Mar 1, 2023 14:10:07 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but if your kid played on an E64 team this year, I think we deserve a medal. At the very least a cookie... To incoming parents. Don't fall for it. It's not elite and it's not worth it. My oldest played 6 games this year. The only reason we stayed was because her team from last year was moved into "Elite 64" and we didn't want to change clubs. I knew going in it was going to be rough (and once again super far from "elite"), but I had no idea it would be this hellish. Smart move by Orlando to get out as soon as possible. Would love to hear other experiences. Hoping I'm not alone in this. Every time a new league forms, nobody knows what to expect. Many fold just as quickly as they were created. Were there any positives from playing in the Elite 64 that may lead you to believe it will be better run and organized next year? |
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 1, 2023 15:11:56 GMT -5
From what I have heard, Elite 64 was good on the boys side and things ran relatively smoothly.
On the girls side in the SE, it was just a poorly planned concept. First, there was not sufficient buy in from clubs in the SE so instead of 8 teams, there only ended up being 6 teams, 2 from GA, 2 from FL, and 2 from NC. Second, when forming the regions, no one actually checked to make sure that things lined up and made sense. The major problem is that all three states play High School soccer at different times--NC in the fall, FL in the winter, and GA in the spring. It made scheduling a nightmare. Throw in that 2 clubs dropped out--1 from FL and 1 from NC, and the region was left with only 4 teams.
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Post by redhawk on Mar 3, 2023 20:17:37 GMT -5
I don't know about the rest of you, but if your kid played on an E64 team this year, I think we deserve a medal. At the very least a cookie... To incoming parents. Don't fall for it. It's not elite and it's not worth it. My oldest played 6 games this year. The only reason we stayed was because her team from last year was moved into "Elite 64" and we didn't want to change clubs. I knew going in it was going to be rough (and once again super far from "elite"), but I had no idea it would be this hellish. Smart move by Orlando to get out as soon as possible. Would love to hear other experiences. Hoping I'm not alone in this. AFU did the right thing with having the E64 teams play in SCCL too. This ensured enough games for the season if E64 had any struggles. The E64 league should have figured out how to compensate for the two teams that dropped out, but they failed the teams in the SE Region. The E64 Orlando Showcase had a lot of good talent and many college coaches there to see the girls. The league and Clubs didn’t do a great job of following through on all that they promised with the technology. The teams did get the StatSports trackers and they worked well for our team. The coach was able to use the details as a teaching moment. The ProScore stuff was a complete failure. The UFA E64 team was set up for disappointment from the start. The Norcross site has always been treated poorly compared to Cumming. They never would have been allowed to play in multiple leagues. It is a shame. The Club is missing a huge opportunity to recruit in the North Atlanta area. Hopefully they learned something this year and can make year 2 better. |
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Post by atlfutboldad on Mar 31, 2023 13:04:37 GMT -5
E64 should probably be the new NPL, an adjunct league to play against clubs out of state.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 4, 2023 15:26:27 GMT -5
E64 should probably be the new NPL, an adjunct league to play against clubs out of state. That is how AFU and several clubs in other regions handled it. It is the right way to deal with it until/unless it becomes big enough not to. |
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Post by soccerparentx on Apr 14, 2023 10:19:52 GMT -5
AFU did the right thing with having the E64 teams play in SCCL too. This ensured enough games for the season if E64 had any struggles. The E64 league should have figured out how to compensate for the two teams that dropped out, but they failed the teams in the SE Region. The E64 Orlando Showcase had a lot of good talent and many college coaches there to see the girls. The league and Clubs didn’t do a great job of following through on all that they promised with the technology. The teams did get the StatSports trackers and they worked well for our team. The coach was able to use the details as a teaching moment. The ProScore stuff was a complete failure. The UFA E64 team was set up for disappointment from the start. The Norcross site has always been treated poorly compared to Cumming. They never would have been allowed to play in multiple leagues. It is a shame. The Club is missing a huge opportunity to recruit in the North Atlanta area. Hopefully they learned something this year and can make year 2 better. Amen and dead on. Norcross should have played SCCL or even ECRL in some cases. Let E64 be for a pool of kids that have parents willing to pay for the travel. I know for our kids, the only real competition have been NL and RL teams that we've played in tournaments and the E64 showcases. But the regular season games have been non events - outside of Concorde and SSA-- go figure. |
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Post by soccerparentx on May 5, 2023 9:43:32 GMT -5
AFU did the right thing with having the E64 teams play in SCCL too. This ensured enough games for the season if E64 had any struggles. The E64 league should have figured out how to compensate for the two teams that dropped out, but they failed the teams in the SE Region. The E64 Orlando Showcase had a lot of good talent and many college coaches there to see the girls. The league and Clubs didn’t do a great job of following through on all that they promised with the technology. The teams did get the StatSports trackers and they worked well for our team. The coach was able to use the details as a teaching moment. The ProScore stuff was a complete failure. The UFA E64 team was set up for disappointment from the start. The Norcross site has always been treated poorly compared to Cumming. They never would have been allowed to play in multiple leagues. It is a shame. The Club is missing a huge opportunity to recruit in the North Atlanta area. Hopefully they learned something this year and can make year 2 better. Amen and dead on. Norcross should have played SCCL or even ECRL in some cases. Let E64 be for a pool of kids that have parents willing to pay for the travel. I know for our kids, the only real competition have been NL and RL teams that we've played in tournaments and the E64 showcases. But the regular season games have been non events - outside of Concorde and SSA-- go figure. And piling on-- now that we did all the travel in the first 1/2 of the season, many teams are backing out of coming to Georgia to play. Apparently, the reason of, "we don't want to travel" works pretty effectively. Who is planning to go to California for "Nationals?". I can think of better ways to spend a few thousand dollars... |
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Post by atlchiefs on May 5, 2023 12:08:25 GMT -5
E64 has been a hot mess on the girls side in the southeast for sure. However, with the addition of several new clubs, hopefully we (all) can iron out some of the wrinkles.
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Post by soccerparentx on May 8, 2023 12:55:12 GMT -5
E64 has been a hot mess on the girls side in the southeast for sure. However, with the addition of several new clubs, hopefully we (all) can iron out some of the wrin My child is only his / her age once. There is no time to be playing around in these startup leagues that replicate leagues that are already established. Fragmenting the youth soccer pyramid is making it worse, not better. Someone put E64 out of its misery now. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 8, 2023 15:24:52 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any type of announcement of who will actually be in E64 for the 23-24 season? I know Concorde is dropping it on the boys side. I think SSA is dropping it on the boys side. UFA appears to be keeping it on both the boys and girls side. It seemed like it was destined to dissolve in the southeast.
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Post by greenmonkey on May 9, 2023 4:19:24 GMT -5
[quote author=" soccerparentx" source=" [/quote]My child is only his / her age once. There is no time to be playing around in these startup leagues that replicate leagues that are already established. Fragmenting the youth soccer pyramid is making it worse, not better. Someone put E64 out of its misery now. [/quote] Yup! My kid was only that age once too: Nope sorry she was that age 10 times Club Merger (BTDT - got the shirt) Age Mandate (ah the good ole days) New League (DA) Ha just kidding (DA - Dissolved) Tophat to the rescue New League (GA) Wait what’s that we can just create leagues? Big six says watch this (SCCL) Whoa slow your roll people we can add second tiers (ECRL) (DPL) USYS? Wait second tiers are allowed (E64) Hey you know what else is fun … Throw in some beloved great coaches who leave mid season !!! The ONLY thing in youth soccer that won’t change … is CHANGE it will ALWAYS change … but if your kid loves the beautiful game you just sit down buckle up and get ready for the ride. |
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Post by greenmonkey on May 9, 2023 4:25:08 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any type of announcement of who will actually be in E64 for the 23-24 season? I know Concorde is dropping it on the boys side. I think SSA is dropping it on the boys side. UFA appears to be keeping it on both the boys and girls side. It seemed like it was destined to dissolve in the southeast. GIRLS Elite 64 Southeast Atlanta Fire United Charlotte Soccer Academy Team Boca United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Azzurri Storm - Southeast FC Prime - Southeast United Soccer Alliance - Southeast BOYS Elite 64 Southeast AFC Lightning Charlotte Soccer Academy Concorde Fire IMG Academy Jacksonville FC North Carolina FC Youth Orlando City - Seminole Southern Soccer Academy United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Atlanta Fire United - Southeast |
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Post by randomparent on May 9, 2023 6:07:49 GMT -5
Has anyone seen any type of announcement of who will actually be in E64 for the 23-24 season? I know Concorde is dropping it on the boys side. I think SSA is dropping it on the boys side. UFA appears to be keeping it on both the boys and girls side. It seemed like it was destined to dissolve in the southeast. GIRLS Elite 64 Southeast Atlanta Fire United Charlotte Soccer Academy Team Boca United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Azzurri Storm - Southeast FC Prime - Southeast United Soccer Alliance - Southeast BOYS Elite 64 Southeast AFC Lightning Charlotte Soccer Academy Concorde Fire IMG Academy Jacksonville FC North Carolina FC Youth Orlando City - Seminole Southern Soccer Academy United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Atlanta Fire United - Southeast How a northside soccer parent reads this list - AFC Lightning - how do they schedule every home game at 8am. Charlotte Soccer Academy - 4:30 hour drive, either i go or my wife takes the kids and gets a hotel $$$$$$$$$ Concorde Fire - to far of a drive but good tacos so I am okay with it IMG Academy - omg, tampa Jacksonville FC - jax beach, stay the weekend North Carolina FC Youth - i hope this is close to charlotte, we can knock it out in one weekend Orlando City - Seminole - $10,000 game because my "whole family" has to go and I will be forced to buy disney tickets Southern Soccer Academy - it cold be a worse drive United Futbol Academy - for some some reason driving north just feels better. trees, no 285, no city traffic. Atlanta Fire United - Southeast - what does southeast mean, some new branch in lagrange? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 9, 2023 7:05:57 GMT -5
GIRLS Elite 64 Southeast Atlanta Fire United Charlotte Soccer Academy Team Boca United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Azzurri Storm - Southeast FC Prime - Southeast United Soccer Alliance - Southeast BOYS Elite 64 Southeast AFC Lightning Charlotte Soccer Academy Concorde Fire IMG Academy Jacksonville FC North Carolina FC Youth Orlando City - Seminole Southern Soccer Academy United Futbol Academy Newly announced clubs for the 2023-24 season: Atlanta Fire United - Southeast How a northside soccer parent reads this list - AFC Lightning - how do they schedule every home game at 8am. Charlotte Soccer Academy - 4:30 hour drive, either i go or my wife takes the kids and gets a hotel $$$$$$$$$ Concorde Fire - to far of a drive but good tacos so I am okay with it IMG Academy - omg, tampa Jacksonville FC - jax beach, stay the weekend North Carolina FC Youth - i hope this is close to charlotte, we can knock it out in one weekend Orlando City - Seminole - $10,000 game because my "whole family" has to go and I will be forced to buy disney tickets Southern Soccer Academy - it cold be a worse drive United Futbol Academy - for some some reason driving north just feels better. trees, no 285, no city traffic. Atlanta Fire United - Southeast - what does southeast mean, some new branch in lagrange? Concorde and SSA are leaving. |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Jun 1, 2023 9:29:11 GMT -5
AFU (girls) seems to be really pushing E64 at tryouts. They lost all their games and it’s their 3rd team. Who would want to go and pay to get beat playing 5-6 games (maybe) since it’s pool play. Am I seeing this through the wrong lens? They are pushing it as a higher level than SCCL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 9:55:38 GMT -5
AFU (girls) seems to be really pushing E64 at tryouts. They lost all their games and it’s their 3rd team. Who would want to go and pay to get beat playing 5-6 games (maybe) since it’s pool play. Am I seeing this through the wrong lens? They are pushing it as a higher level than SCCL. Does E64 have nationals? |
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Post by soccerparentx on Jun 1, 2023 10:29:39 GMT -5
AFU (girls) seems to be really pushing E64 at tryouts. They lost all their games and it’s their 3rd team. Who would want to go and pay to get beat playing 5-6 games (maybe) since it’s pool play. Am I seeing this through the wrong lens? They are pushing it as a higher level than SCCL. Does E64 have nationals? Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... |
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Post by atlchiefs on Jun 1, 2023 10:50:01 GMT -5
IMO, you should probably ask the coaches at AFU a couple of questions. Knowing many of them, I think you would appreciate what they have to say and get the answers you seek. Asking 'the forum' is akin to asking whether someone is a FORD or Chevy person.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 1, 2023 11:01:05 GMT -5
Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... I think they are pushing it because there are additional teams that joined E64 which will make more games. USYS did change the plan for E64 to make it roll into USYS NL Nationals. As for the level of the teams, we’ll, there seems to be a push everywhere to make third teams play in regional “higher level” leagues. Third team Tophat is DPL Third team Concorde is ECRL Third team UFA is SAPL (NPL) Third team at SSA is also SAPL, from what I read Therefore third team at AFU has to play a regional league to keep up with the Joneses. Only GSA (out of the big 6) seems to have held back on this trend. I know that they plan to pool AFU South, ECRL, AFU Pike and SCCL Champions teams in our age group. But other age groups may just be one team. Personally I know some parents are excited to do it at our age group and others were vehemently opposed. The plan for some younger age groups is as an adjunct league pooled. www.usysnationalleague.com/assets/134/6/nl_23-24_format_conferences_4-3.pdf |
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Post by GeorgiaSoccerMom on Jun 1, 2023 12:29:36 GMT -5
Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... I think they are pushing it because there are additional teams that joined E64 which will make more games. USYS did change the plan for E64 to make it roll into USYS NL Nationals. As for the level of the teams, we’ll, there seems to be a push everywhere to make third teams play in regional “higher level” leagues. Third team Tophat is DPL Third team Concorde is ECRL Third team UFA is SAPL (NPL) Third team at SSA is also SAPL, from what I read Therefore third team at AFU has to play a regional league to keep up with the Joneses. Only GSA (out of the big 6) seems to have held back on this trend. I know that they plan to pool AFU South, ECRL, AFU Pike and SCCL Champions teams in our age group. But other age groups may just be one team. Personally I know some parents are excited to do it at our age group and others were vehemently opposed. The plan for some younger age groups is as an adjunct league pooled. www.usysnationalleague.com/assets/134/6/nl_23-24_format_conferences_4-3.pdfThanks for this. We did talk to someone at AFU about it. But l looking for a more real perspective and not one that is just looking to draw in more revenue. I just can’t figure out how playing in a pool of players and only playing in some of the 6-7 games will help anyone get better. It’s a lot of practice with very little actual live field exposure. And pooling from ECRL, SCCL, and multiple campuses doesn’t seem to make sense. It’s supplemental play for teams that play in their own league with more games like ECRL & SCCL. But for a pool of players not in a set schedule league it’s all they have. I could potentially get on board with the idea of it was supplemental to a regular season like ODP. Still can’t see where it’s meaningful playing time for ALL that money if you are only playing on the E64 schedule in a pool of players who may or may not be called to play. I wanted a different perspective that may show me what I am missing in the concept. |
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Post by hereforthedrama on Jun 1, 2023 17:48:40 GMT -5
Does anyone know if enough girls showed up at UFA Norcross to field teams?
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 1, 2023 17:58:59 GMT -5
I think they are pushing it because there are additional teams that joined E64 which will make more games. USYS did change the plan for E64 to make it roll into USYS NL Nationals. As for the level of the teams, we’ll, there seems to be a push everywhere to make third teams play in regional “higher level” leagues. Third team Tophat is DPL Third team Concorde is ECRL Third team UFA is SAPL (NPL) Third team at SSA is also SAPL, from what I read Therefore third team at AFU has to play a regional league to keep up with the Joneses. Only GSA (out of the big 6) seems to have held back on this trend. I know that they plan to pool AFU South, ECRL, AFU Pike and SCCL Champions teams in our age group. But other age groups may just be one team. Personally I know some parents are excited to do it at our age group and others were vehemently opposed. The plan for some younger age groups is as an adjunct league pooled. www.usysnationalleague.com/assets/134/6/nl_23-24_format_conferences_4-3.pdfThanks for this. We did talk to someone at AFU about it. But l looking for a more real perspective and not one that is just looking to draw in more revenue. I just can’t figure out how playing in a pool of players and only playing in some of the 6-7 games will help anyone get better. It’s a lot of practice with very little actual live field exposure. And pooling from ECRL, SCCL, and multiple campuses doesn’t seem to make sense. It’s supplemental play for teams that play in their own league with more games like ECRL & SCCL. But for a pool of players not in a set schedule league it’s all they have. I could potentially get on board with the idea of it was supplemental to a regular season like ODP. Still can’t see where it’s meaningful playing time for ALL that money if you are only playing on the E64 schedule in a pool of players who may or may not be called to play. I wanted a different perspective that may show me what I am missing in the concept. I just gave you what I know. Not sure what they are doing for every age group. My information was not an endorsement of the league for everyone. I don’t think it would be a good idea as the only league based on what happened last year. But each year is different in every league. Since mine have been playing DA came and went, DPL was a horrible first year and then was fine. There was USYS NL, SRPL, NPL, Athena A/B/C, ECNL added ECRL, GA started. Youth soccer is a mess and will be for the foreseeable future. If you feel uncomfortable then find another club where the team that she gets placed on has better development or exposure or both depending on your needs. Ask the coach what the plan is outright. How many games? who is rostered? Are they playing SCCL as well? Last year the E64 teams at AFU also played SCCL so E64 was extra. Best wishes in your future. I hope that you get a good fit |
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Post by randomparent on Jun 2, 2023 10:37:09 GMT -5
Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... For ECNL only 50% of teams make it right? |
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Post by mightydawg on Jun 2, 2023 11:05:50 GMT -5
Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... For ECNL only 50% of teams make it right? For the SE boys, it is actually 53.8% (7 out of 13 teams). For the SE girls, it is 37.5% (6 out of 16 teams). |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 2, 2023 14:20:55 GMT -5
Yes. Not to be confused with the other USYS Nationals. Best part is that everyone makes it... For ECNL only 50% of teams make it right? Right. Well the “E64 playoffs” is really a seeded tournament event to qualify teams into the USYS playoffs which are really playoffs that lead to the national title. Everyone goes to the E64 playoffs if they want to. It is split between two locations, an East coast one and a West coast one. The teams that do well (top 9 teams from each event) then qualify for an East coast and a West coast NL Pro event. The top teams (NL Pro or E64) go to the actual “nationals.” Really it is a good idea and what many people on the forum and elsewhere actually say they want. It is a tournament with teams that qualify through the tournament to play in a national championship tournament. It even combines two different “elite” leagues. The ridicule of the event and E64 is because it was poorly set up and run in the southeast division for girls and because many have lost respect for USYS because they did not handle ECNL, GA, DA and their own leagues (NL, SRPL, RPL and Georgia soccer) well. Their mismanagement caused people to lose respect and their frankly good plan is too little, too late for many people. I hope that people have a good experience in whatever league they are in. E64 is still a risk, but hopefully it will be better this year so those committed to those teams can have a year that helps in their development and joy for the game. |
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Post by why0217 on Jun 3, 2023 8:27:59 GMT -5
Well my daughter got offered E64 this year, she played ECNLR at a different club the first year it was introduced (and they even had challenges) and we skipped club last year (just tired of all the politics)…I am hoping that E64 does a better job this year, but I will definitely be asking more questions before we fully commit.
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