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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 7:38:52 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer Youth Rules and Regulations specify that: 732.8 Any player receiving 3 cautions in a playing season will sit out the next scheduled and played game for the team that he/she is rostered to under US Youth Soccer affiliation and competition. Player is ineligible for participation in the Georgia Soccer Youth Club Pass System until the suspension is served. Failure to serve the mandatory suspension will result in a forfeiture of any and all games played while the player was ineligible. Additional sanctions to the player or the coach may be assessed by the D&P Committee if deemed appropriate after a hearing. [... there is more to this rule about additional yellow cards as well] The sportsaffinity system seems to track red card suspensions earned and served, but not yellow cards. Is there any official monitoring of yellow card suspensions, or is it up to the teams playing in the next game to look into it? Do the referees get any notice prior to the game, or on the game sheets? I know we've never had a player with 3 yellows in a season, but I don't know if any opponents have because honestly I didn't even know the rule existed until recently.
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Post by Strikermom on Oct 6, 2014 12:24:18 GMT -5
The affinity system does track yellows and reds for U13 and up. TM's are responsible for posting cards correctly. I guess as a coach or TM it is something to research before the game.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 6, 2014 12:40:56 GMT -5
It tracks Yellow and Reds, go to Athena A U13 and u will see yellows and reds listed.
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Post by sidelinemama on Oct 6, 2014 13:07:14 GMT -5
Well if the ref doesn't issue the card, it doesn't really matter. We played away this weekend, and a girl on the opposite team was called for a foul (not in the box), and she went OFF! Yelled at our player on the ground that she just fell, (despite a swollen ankle and no return to the game). Screamed and yelled and pointed in the ref's face, then screamed at the AR. Her Dad tried to come on the field to get her, and she started screaming at him. The ref told him to get off of the field, then she started yelling at the ref again! Literally, this went on and on. No card, the coach didn't even take her out of the game. Crazy!
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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 13:36:51 GMT -5
I wasn't 100% clear in my original post. Yes, certainly sportsaffinity tracks yellow cards, but doesn't track yellow card suspensions. You can easily log in and see if your opponent has a red card suspension to be served, but yellow suspensions are not included (anywhere I can see them).
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Post by fan on Oct 6, 2014 14:01:39 GMT -5
I didn't know about that rule. It looks like for girls it's not an issue at this point in the season. I don't think any girls have that many cards. Looking through the older boys, there are several who were given a third card over the weekend. I wonder if they sat out on Sunday or will have to sit out this weekend. If the system doesn't track yellow card suspensions, I hope the coaches are keeping good track. It would be bad to end up having to forfeit several games because someone didn't sit out.
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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 14:07:04 GMT -5
I didn't know about that rule. It looks like for girls it's not an issue at this point in the season. I don't think any girls have that many cards. Looking through the older boys, there are several who were given a third card over the weekend. I wonder if they sat out on Sunday or will have to sit out this weekend. If the system doesn't track yellow card suspensions, I hope the coaches are keeping good track. It would be bad to end up having to forfeit several games because someone didn't sit out. That's exactly what I was wondering. I didn't know about the rule either, and I wonder how many people do. It seems like if red card suspensions are tracked in sportsaffinity, yellow should be too. Especially with the complexity of the rule (suspended once after 3, then again after the next 2, then again after each additional). |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 6, 2014 14:38:38 GMT -5
Just curious about this. What if the team manager doesn't mark yellow cards in sports affinty? Do the refs still have to file a report for yellows?
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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 14:43:26 GMT -5
Just curious about this. What if the team manager doesn't mark yellow cards in sports affinty? Do the refs still have to file a report for yellows? Well, the way I understand it both managers are required to enter the cards. If they don't match, then the game is flagged and the AGC (age group coordinator) has to resolve it. At that point I guess game sheets come out, if they don't agree with each other that it was just an oversight in entry. |
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Post by dogso on Oct 6, 2014 17:15:59 GMT -5
Yellows are hard to catch in the system as they do not flag on the game card. You can see the cards given to players on affinity if you click on the "Cards" link.
As a ref I usually check before my games to see if a player is on three yellows. ( and to also get an idea on who the players are who have been picking up the cautions !! ) If there is a player on three yellows, I notify the coach and advise that the rules state they they are required to sit the player for this game. I make a notation that the player sat and served the suspension on both game cards so there is no question after the fact. I say this realizing that this is not the referees responsibility but the three yellow rule is not known by many team managers/coaches. There was a classic team a couple of years back that had a player on 4 yellows. He played 4 or 5 games and each games was deemed a forfeit.
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Post by silverback on Oct 6, 2014 17:17:08 GMT -5
Well if the ref doesn't issue the card, it doesn't really matter. We played away this weekend, and a girl on the opposite team was called for a foul (not in the box), and she went OFF! Yelled at our player on the ground that she just fell, (despite a swollen ankle and no return to the game). Screamed and yelled and pointed in the ref's face, then screamed at the AR. Her Dad tried to come on the field to get her, and she started screaming at him. The ref told him to get off of the field, then she started yelling at the ref again! Literally, this went on and on. No card, the coach didn't even take her out of the game. Crazy! Wow - this is unbelievable and unacceptable, but seems to happen too often. I hope the parent disciplined the girl when she got home! Reminds me of a time back in U10 (or U11) when my son went off on another player. He was having issues with a player from the other team who was playing rough/dirty and my son responded in an inappropriate manner. Our coach took him off when it happened (right before half time) to cool him down. The ref didn't give my son a card (which he deserved - not even sure if they gave red cards at this age) and the coach was planning to start him in the second half, so I decided to give him my own red card. Told the coach he was done at half time and for the next game, I made him sit on the bench with his team wearing his church clothes. Needless to say, it was the last time he had such an outburst on the field. |
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Post by sidelinemama on Oct 6, 2014 20:10:02 GMT -5
Well if the ref doesn't issue the card, it doesn't really matter. We played away this weekend, and a girl on the opposite team was called for a foul (not in the box), and she went OFF! Yelled at our player on the ground that she just fell, (despite a swollen ankle and no return to the game). Screamed and yelled and pointed in the ref's face, then screamed at the AR. Her Dad tried to come on the field to get her, and she started screaming at him. The ref told him to get off of the field, then she started yelling at the ref again! Literally, this went on and on. No card, the coach didn't even take her out of the game. Crazy! Wow - this is unbelievable and unacceptable, but seems to happen too often. I hope the parent disciplined the girl when she got home! Reminds me of a time back in U10 (or U11) when my son went off on another player. He was having issues with a player from the other team who was playing rough/dirty and my son responded in an inappropriate manner. Our coach took him off when it happened (right before half time) to cool him down. The ref didn't give my son a card (which he deserved - not even sure if they gave red cards at this age) and the coach was planning to start him in the second half, so I decided to give him my own red card. Told the coach he was done at half time and for the next game, I made him sit on the bench with his team wearing his church clothes. Needless to say, it was the last time he had such an outburst on the field. HaHa! I love that! I understand that these are kids, and unfortunately, sometimes they lose their cool. But it us up to the refs and the Coach and parents to make sure there are consequences for their behavior so that it doesn't become habit. Good for you for nipping that behavior in the bud! |
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Post by hawkfan on Oct 6, 2014 22:02:08 GMT -5
Refs need to give cards when appropriate. It has been my experience when they don't the game gets out of hand and on occasion so do parents.
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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 22:41:55 GMT -5
Yellows are hard to catch in the system as they do not flag on the game card. You can see the cards given to players on affinity if you click on the "Cards" link. As a ref I usually check before my games to see if a player is on three yellows. ( and to also get an idea on who the players are who have been picking up the cautions !! ) If there is a player on three yellows, I notify the coach and advise that the rules state they they are required to sit the player for this game. I make a notation that the player sat and served the suspension on both game cards so there is no question after the fact. I say this realizing that this is not the referees responsibility but the three yellow rule is not known by many team managers/coaches. There was a classic team a couple of years back that had a player on 4 yellows. He played 4 or 5 games and each games was deemed a forfeit. That's actually a pretty nice thing for you to do, potentially saving teams from a very bad (and easy to make) mistake. I think this underscores the need for the affinity system to incorporate the yellow suspensions just like the red ones. Show yellow card suspensions received/served/net just like the red suspensions. |
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 7, 2014 19:25:03 GMT -5
To put a twist on this, there was a player in the spring that got a red card in the first game of the season, and served it the next game. However, in a later game, he received a triple red for bad language. It says he only served one red, but there were two more games after the one where he served the card. I wonder if he just didn't attend the last two games?? If he didn't, and he is now on a team for the same club in the fall, should he have served those two reds during the first two games this season? Or did it really matter since it was the end of the season when the others occurred?
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Post by oldoldsocceradmin on Oct 17, 2014 13:38:53 GMT -5
Here's an accurate and truthful response:
1) Teams are required to report their own misconduct on the ADG system. Failure to do so, can result in misconduct charges should the D&P Committee deem that the failure was intentional.
2) After three yellow cards, a player is required to sit a one-game suspension in street clothes on the player's bench. This is an integrity issue. There is no monitoring by Georgia Soccer of it. But believe me, the D&P Committee has received reports in the past and the range of sanctions is large. The game(s) played are always forfeit. Additionally, both the player, coach and team manager can face misconduct charges. The sanction for intentionally playing an ineligible player is quite significant as it's viewed as intentional cheating.
3) ADG collect the information regarding red and yellow cards. The info you see with regard to suspension is programmed into the ADG system in the set up. It has nothing whatsoever to do with reality. If a player is required to sit more than a standard one-game suspension for a red card, the coach will be notified by Georgia Soccer.
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Post by fan on Oct 17, 2014 14:46:34 GMT -5
In taking a quick look through some of the card lists, this stood out to me:
U17 CI - A player from GS Boca Juniors received his third yellow on 10/11. He received a fourth yellow on 10/12 so he apparently didn't sit out. Their team won the game. Presumably they should have to forfeit their win if NASA (the losing team) should decide to pursue this. In a situation like this, I wonder if the losing team would pursue it to get a win or just accept that they lost.
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Post by Anonymous on Oct 17, 2014 15:49:48 GMT -5
"Additionally, both the player, coach and team manager can face misconduct charges."
What punishment can a team manager face?
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Post by jash on Oct 17, 2014 16:38:17 GMT -5
I have to say, I have no problem with the rules being the rules, but I REALLY don't think many people (coaches or team managers, let alone players or parents) know about this one.
My guess is most infractions are simply ignorance of the rule, and not intentional circumvention of the rules.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2014 21:22:14 GMT -5
Agree. Until I read this post had no clue that was a rule.
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Post by oldoldsocceradmin on Oct 17, 2014 23:46:06 GMT -5
Realistically the team manager (who is pretty much always a volunteer) won't get in trouble, probably just a warning. But make no mistake, ignorance of the rules doesn't relieve coaches and managers of their responsibility. The D&P Committee will usually just charge forfeits (and the penalty points and potentially fines) the first time the situation comes up. If the coach screws up again, with any other team, the book will likely be thrown at him/her.
BTW, this rule has been in effect for at least 15-20 years. Coaches and team managers should always have a copy of the rules with them and should certainly read it at some point.
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Post by reinalocura on Oct 18, 2014 9:25:41 GMT -5
Apparently this is starting to being enforced in the system. Today we are playing a team with a player with 3 yellow cards and he is noted as a red "S" in the game card column - assuming he's suspended for today's game. I checked the cards list on GA soccer and indeed he has 3 yellows.
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Post by reinalocura on Oct 20, 2014 11:11:58 GMT -5
Just got the email (everyone probably received) regarding the tracking of Yellow Cards... FYI.
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Post by fan on Oct 20, 2014 12:13:33 GMT -5
Just got the email (everyone probably received) regarding the tracking of Yellow Cards... FYI. I guess GA Soccer is reading this forum  . |
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Post by Keeper on Oct 20, 2014 14:44:28 GMT -5
Just got the email (everyone probably received) regarding the tracking of Yellow Cards... FYI. Dang yet another email I'm not cool enough to get....  What did it say??? |
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Post by reinalocura on Oct 20, 2014 15:04:46 GMT -5
I'm guessing Team Managers got the email.
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All - we have implemented the tracking of yellow cards in our scoring system based on the below rules and regulations of Georgia Soccer Youth competition. What this means is when the 3rd yellow of the season is entered into the system as required by the rules, the player will automatically be suspended for the next scheduled and played match. The next match must be played and scored before the suspension will be removed from your game day lineup sheet.
We hope to have rule 732.8 implemented by spring 2015. Until that time, it is incumbent on the teams to follow the suspensions of all players. If a game protest is filed regarding the use of an ineligible player based on accumulated yellow cards, the rules are very specific and if the game protest is upheld, the game will be forfeited.
732.8 Any player receiving 3 cautions in a playing season will sit out the next scheduled and played game for the team that he/she is rostered to under US Youth Soccer affiliation and competition. Player is ineligible for participation in the Georgia Soccer Youth Club Pass System until the suspension is served. Failure to serve the mandatory suspension will result in a forfeiture of any and all games played while the player was ineligible. Additional sanctions to the player or the coach may be assessed by the D&P Committee if deemed appropriate after a hearing.
732.8a
In addition, the player shall sit out the next scheduled and played game when 2 more cautions are received. The player will then sit out the next scheduled and played game each time an additional caution is received. Player is ineligible for participation in the Georgia Soccer Youth Club Pass System until the suspension is served.
Should you have any questions, do not hesitate to contact us.
Thank you,
Kim Bowen
Director of Programs
Georgia Soccer
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Post by jash on Oct 20, 2014 20:09:54 GMT -5
Excellent, and very fast turnaround by Georgia Soccer. I really hated the idea of teams having to forfeit games just because of ignorance of a fairly unknown rule (no matter how valid the forfeiture was).
This is how it should be.
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 25, 2014 7:24:10 GMT -5
Looks like they are enforcing it now. One of the teams in our bracket had a player with three yellows earlier in the season. Within the last day or so, it looks like that team was issued a forfeit to a much weaker team in a game they already had won (handily). Had to be that this player didn't sit out that game (which would have been the next one after his third yellow).
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Post by oldoldsocceradmin on Oct 25, 2014 13:16:13 GMT -5
Folks, these rules have been in the Georgia Soccer Youth Rules and Regulations for years. If your coach or team manager doesn't know about them, perhaps they should actually read the rules. Kim Bowen's email was well intentioned but not written very well. What she meant (I believe) is that by spring 2015 there is a hope that ADG will automatically track the yellow cards and disable the player(s) until the suspension is served.
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