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Post by socceriq on Oct 6, 2014 10:12:55 GMT -5
So first post, been browsing the board since the start though.
So our club is big on winning doesn't matter etc, its all about development.
We have a very competitive u10 girls team. 11 girls top to bottom extremely solid. only 1 or 2 players are standouts as being on a different level, everyone else is pretty much on a level playing field. and this isn't just my opinion, the coach has stated this as well. We seem to have some parents that are getting frustrated with the "process".
That being said, if it isn't about winning, shouldn't there be somewhat of equivalent playing time?? Doesn't seem to be the case, 3-4 players never seem to come off the field, and the same players are always substituted out? we have many players that can play in multiple positions also, so its not like we don't have flexibility.
If its about development and not winning, why is this the case?? I get some kids will play more, that's understandable, but we are talking some kids are playing 50% while others play 100%.
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Post by spectator on Oct 6, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5
Georgia Soccer rules only state that as long as a player is meeting their training requirements, they are guaranteed half of a game. For Academy, players should be playing multiple positions - are the ones staying on the field staying in their same positions - ex defenders or goalies or are they rotated into different positions. Those are the ones most likely to see a full game since typically they run less than a midfielder or forward.
But as long as a player sees 50% or more, the coach and club are in compliance with GA soccer rules for youth soccer
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Post by socceriq on Oct 6, 2014 11:28:27 GMT -5
very little position changing.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 6, 2014 11:45:17 GMT -5
personal opinion on a team with equivalent talent, kids should play reasonably the same amount, obviously besides a keeper. I can see a strong center mid staying put for the majority of the game given the importance of the position and dictating the style of play.
if a team isn't carrying a lot of subs, ie 10 or 11 players playing 8v8, kids should get more than 50% regardless of ga soccer rule if the intent really is for development.
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Post by jash on Oct 6, 2014 11:48:24 GMT -5
personal opinion on a team with equivalent talent, kids should play reasonably the same amount, obviously besides a keeper. I can see a strong center mid staying put for the majority of the game given the importance of the position and dictating the style of play. if a team isn't carrying a lot of subs, ie 10 or 11 players playing 8v8, kids should get more than 50% regardless of ga soccer rule if the intent really is for development. At U10 there shouldn't be a dedicated keeper either (imho). Nor a dedicated center mid. Play them around, get different people in positions. If you have a dedicated keeper, what will you do when he/she leaves? Or what will he/she do when keeper is no longer an option (late growth = too small for goals in the U12-U15 range). |
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 6, 2014 12:44:07 GMT -5
personal opinion on a team with equivalent talent, kids should play reasonably the same amount, obviously besides a keeper. I can see a strong center mid staying put for the majority of the game given the importance of the position and dictating the style of play. if a team isn't carrying a lot of subs, ie 10 or 11 players playing 8v8, kids should get more than 50% regardless of ga soccer rule if the intent really is for development. At U10 there shouldn't be a dedicated keeper either (imho). Nor a dedicated center mid. Play them around, get different people in positions. If you have a dedicated keeper, what will you do when he/she leaves? Or what will he/she do when keeper is no longer an option (late growth = too small for goals in the U12-U15 range). My daughters team has had a dedicated keeper from U9 |
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Post by silverback on Oct 6, 2014 13:03:52 GMT -5
I don't think anyone should be playing 100% of the time (all of the time), especially at the younger age groups. With that said, you do need some players to play more to keep it competitive, help with flow of game, etc. It's important for the top players to come out of the game and root for the others, after all, its a team game. Ideally, I would like to see smaller teams so everyone gets more time to play, but I understand the challenges this could bring in terms of scheduling, practice, costs per team, etc. I also agree that young players should play different positions so they get more exposure to different roles, build different skills, etc. I remember one of our coaches had my son play center back so he could develop more defensive skills, but just as important, let him see the game from a different perspective, which definitely helped him when he moved back to his offensive role.
A different topic, but what I don't like is when some leagues play FIFA rules where once you are subbed out, you cannot come back in, even if its just halves (super Y, ECNL). All levels should allow free substitutions at any stage of the game, but this is probably a different thread ;-)
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Post by leem on Oct 6, 2014 13:19:16 GMT -5
I believe in and construct teams that have at least 2 trained keepers, and all players need time in goal U8-U10 to see if they have the instincts and desire to be a goalie.
First, if one gets sick or injured, you have a backup.
Second, keepers are specialized field players who are expected to range outside the penalty box to provide support and sweep up long balls. At U10 (8v8) the ability to play back through the keeper starts to become more important in maintaining possession and expanding the field. Time in defense will help develop confidence and their reactions to attackers without giving up goals.
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Post by lovethegame on Oct 6, 2014 16:33:19 GMT -5
My daughter's younger teams rotated players through goal, and there was no dedicated keeper until they started playing 11 v 11. Most of the girls weren't thrilled about playing in goal, but it over time it became clear which players had the instinct to play goal and which ones wanted to play it exclusively. At the same time the keepers, when younger, got the opportunity to play on the field so they continued to develop as a field player.
My daughter played in goal quite a bit when she was in academy. She liked it and had good instincts. But, since she is probably done growing at 5'2" I am thankful her coach played her on the field as well as in goal. At 10 nobody knew she was going to be short. Had she been a full time keeper, she probably would have quit when it became clear she couldn't play there because of her size. She could have lost some pretty important developmental years had she played a position exclusively that she physically wasn't going to be able to play as she got older.
When it comes to playing time, ten year olds shouldn't be playing half a game. I wouldn't stay on a team where my child played half a game, at such a young age. It's all about development, and the amazing ten year old often isn't as amazing at fifteen. They may not even be playing at at fifteen. On the flip side, a strong older player may not have even been on the top team at 10.
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Post by quest on Oct 7, 2014 7:09:41 GMT -5
Our team rotated goalies until U12. At U11 we had less of a rotation but still moved players around. My daughter is a mid but she took goalie lessons/practice because she wanted to be ready if needed even though she didn't play goalie since U10. Currently she is a play-up in U13 and her coach moves her around quite a bit. It is great because she is getting the opportunity to improve on what she is not great at.
I also believe that all players should get even play time if possible, it just makes it harder with the amount of players on a squad. At 6v6 we had 8, at 8v8 we had 10. Now on out U13 we have 13, lots of playtime for all players.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Oct 10, 2014 12:26:23 GMT -5
Academy level soccer from U9-U12 should give all players an opportunity to play. 50% of play time as mentioned before is the minimum requirements.
You may run into some cases that some players will play longer than others. I recommend that you speak with the coach in private. I would do it in a way that he/she wont get offensive but understands your concerns. Most of the time they will respond well.
Our coach rotates players around to give them an opportunity to play different positions. We also have some players that play a full 100% but with that being said our coach has put other players in instead and it quickly changes the score of the game. Yes, it's about development but also soccer is a big business. If you are the top team for age group it's hard to juggle and stay really competitive. You want to recruit more talent for future and unfortunately the main way to do that is win. Catch 22 for sure.
As for full time goalkeeper... I'm open for it. I mean during regular team practice most should be working as a field player to keep up with technical aspects. Maybe time to time in goal if a drill requires a goalkeeper. This will also help the player gain respect from others on the team which is really important. The goalkeeper should also do more specialized training. Provided by the club or a goalkeeper academy.
Also, some clubs will allow the keeper to play as a guest player on other club teams. My sons plays full time keeper for his ages groups top team and then plays as a field player for the 2nd or 3rd team. He loves it! I would see if this is an option for your child. Its a win win for your child. I'm not saying every week but if you can get 5 or 6 games during the season it will make a huge difference in your child.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 13, 2014 8:04:27 GMT -5
Academy level soccer from U9-U12 should give all players an opportunity to play. 50% of play time as mentioned before is the minimum requirements. You may run into some cases that some players will play longer than others. I recommend that you speak with the coach in private. I would do it in a way that he/she wont get offensive but understands your concerns. Most of the time they will respond well. Our coach rotates players around to give them an opportunity to play different positions. We also have some players that play a full 100% but with that being said our coach has put other players in instead and it quickly changes the score of the game. Yes, it's about development but also soccer is a big business. If you are the top team for age group it's hard to juggle and stay really competitive. You want to recruit more talent for future and unfortunately the main way to do that is win. Catch 22 for sure. As for full time goalkeeper... I'm open for it. I mean during regular team practice most should be working as a field player to keep up with technical aspects. Maybe time to time in goal if a drill requires a goalkeeper. This will also help the player gain respect from others on the team which is really important. The goalkeeper should also do more specialized training. Provided by the club or a goalkeeper academy. Also, some clubs will allow the keeper to play as a guest player on other club teams. My sons plays full time keeper for his ages groups top team and then plays as a field player for the 2nd or 3rd team. He loves it! I would see if this is an option for your child. Its a win win for your child. I'm not saying every week but if you can get 5 or 6 games during the season it will make a huge difference in your child. that's what our keeper did u9 & u10, she played field with the 2nd team |
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