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Post by kick on Oct 6, 2014 21:19:47 GMT -5
What is the selection criteria for U14 RPL in the spring. Is it based solely on how they finish this fall or does last spring /state cup results factor in also?
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Post by dreaddy on Oct 7, 2014 15:16:49 GMT -5
It is based solely on the finish from this fall's season. Top 2 are guaranteed, next two are probable but not guaranteed.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 14, 2014 13:47:50 GMT -5
for the u13's...what they place now it will define RPL and seed for State cup as well?
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Post by alacrity174 on Oct 14, 2014 16:38:41 GMT -5
for the u13's...what they place now it will define RPL and seed for State cup as well? both are based on Fall season finish. After this RPL is based on State Cup. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 14, 2014 16:47:41 GMT -5
So if my daughters team plays RPL in the spring....in order fr them to play in the fall at u14 they have tk win state cup?
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Post by soccergator on Nov 2, 2014 15:45:58 GMT -5
What's the thought of how many would get demoted in these age groups. Surely not 4 right. Only 2?
Can't imagine bringing 4 up from Athena b and then maybe losing 4 to rpl
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 8:44:41 GMT -5
What's the thought of how many would get demoted in these age groups. Surely not 4 right. Only 2? Can't imagine bringing 4 up from Athena b and then maybe losing 4 to rpl I think only 2 are going down. The group has 14 teams now and that will drop to 10 |
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Post by zizou on Nov 3, 2014 9:09:38 GMT -5
Georgia also is not guaranteed 4 RPL slots. They are guaranteed 2, and if they only get those 2, they almost have to drop 4 from a 14 team division if they are trying to go to 10 team division.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 3, 2014 9:24:25 GMT -5
Yea, will be interesting what happens.
the group has 11 teams. if 4 went to rpl, and bottom for 4 relegated to B, you would have to bring up 7 teams from B............
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Post by zizou on Nov 3, 2014 9:35:45 GMT -5
Yea, will be interesting what happens. the group has 11 teams. if 4 went to rpl, and bottom for 4 relegated to B, you would have to bring up 7 teams from B............ Right. For U14G, that would be very strange. Also seems less likely that 4 teams from this division would go RPL. Granted, I know nothing about the teams in our neighboring states, but there are only two U14G teams in Athena A that have clearly separated themselves from the pack. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 9:42:38 GMT -5
I doubt they would relegate 4 teams in any age group. if GA only gets the 2 spots then they may decide to keep 12 teams instead of 12, no other way to do it. question is, when is the last time GA had 4 spots?
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Post by spectator on Nov 3, 2014 10:23:06 GMT -5
I doubt they would relegate 4 teams in any age group. if GA only gets the 2 spots then they may decide to keep 12 teams instead of 12, no other way to do it. question is, when is the last time GA had 4 spots? Almost every year GA gets 4 |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 10:30:10 GMT -5
really?? people make it sound as if its odd...
any idea how they decide how many teams we get?
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Post by dreaddy on Nov 3, 2014 11:33:46 GMT -5
At U14 the selection of which states get 4 teams and which get 2 is an inexact science. They look at just about everything, from those bogus GOT Soccer and SIC Rankings to performance at U13 Regionals. SC will probably get 2 teams, leaving the battle between GA, FL & NC for 2 of those 3 to get 4 teams in.
Each state ranks their top 4 teams - which we do based on Classic I and Athena A finish. The big test is then comparing the #3 teams from each state to see who's going to fit in better. The #4 team gets in on the #3's coattails (with elections tomorrow, I just had to use that term).
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 12:56:24 GMT -5
wow...so how soon after season is over are decisions usually made?
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Post by soccergator on Nov 3, 2014 13:12:25 GMT -5
There is no question that the nasa elite and top hat team are on another level!!
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Post by spectator on Nov 3, 2014 13:33:02 GMT -5
To answer your question - last year at U14 - for spring it was the top four teams from Fall play- Top Hat, Ambush, UFA, and NASA. This Fall - the Ambush team and coach went over to AFU to play ECNL, NASA finished dead last but kept their spot this year, Savannah got the fourth sport for finishing first in Athena A in Spring. SSA Elite was in the top four of State cup and assumed they'd get the spot based on that but their Athena performance in spring was mediocre at best so GA Soccer selected Savannah for RPL instead (SSA Elite pitched a fit and is now playing U16 Athena A instead of U15). Also - go look at how the current GA RPL teams are performing so far in Fall events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=39635On the girls side - U15's - two teams clearly at the top - Top Hat and UFA - the third and fourth teams - Savannah and NASA are struggling and at the bottom U16's - Top Hat and NASA #1 and #2 - SSA and UFA middle of the pack U17's - Top Hat,SSA and Concorde are in the top 5 - AFC Lightning struggling. Fielding four highly competitive teams is hard but GA seems to get the four spots every year. If your team is the 3rd of 4th, you may want to evaluate if it's worth it to do all that travel to get beaten every weekend if the team struggles. Yes the level of competition is higher but how fun is it for a 13 year old to get whallopped every weekend? Don't get me started on this RPL for U13 this year. Twelve years old is entirely too young for that much travel and pressure. We are going to burn these kids out before they're 15 at this rate. |
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Post by dreaddy on Nov 3, 2014 14:07:15 GMT -5
wow...so how soon after season is over are decisions usually made? The decision is usually made in December. Of course, made and announced are two different things, but by late December we should know, especially since they are trying to do things earlier this year. The play dates have already been announced (no, I don't remember what they are nor where they can be found, but I know they have been decided). |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 14:51:42 GMT -5
To answer your question - last year at U14 - for spring it was the top four teams from Fall play- Top Hat, Ambush, UFA, and NASA. This Fall - the Ambush team and coach went over to AFU to play ECNL, NASA finished dead last but kept their spot this year, Savannah got the fourth sport for finishing first in Athena A in Spring. SSA Elite was in the top four of State cup and assumed they'd get the spot based on that but their Athena performance in spring was mediocre at best so GA Soccer selected Savannah for RPL instead (SSA Elite pitched a fit and is now playing U16 Athena A instead of U15). Also - go look at how the current GA RPL teams are performing so far in Fall events.gotsport.com/events/Default.aspx?EventID=39635On the girls side - U15's - two teams clearly at the top - Top Hat and UFA - the third and fourth teams - Savannah and NASA are struggling and at the bottom U16's - Top Hat and NASA #1 and #2 - SSA and UFA middle of the pack U17's - Top Hat,SSA and Concorde are in the top 5 - AFC Lightning struggling. Fielding four highly competitive teams is hard but GA seems to get the four spots every year. If your team is the 3rd of 4th, you may want to evaluate if it's worth it to do all that travel to get beaten every weekend if the team struggles. Yes the level of competition is higher but how fun is it for a 13 year old to get whallopped every weekend? Don't get me started on this RPL for U13 this year. Twelve years old is entirely too young for that much travel and pressure. We are going to burn these kids out before they're 15 at this rate. Let say the top 4 go up in u13...the 5th team who barely didn't make it is going to be stuck with all the other teams who are not even close in competition to them, and then theyre bringing up some Athena B teams. The choice is either aim for RPL or play with teams that wont be too much competition. Im with you about the travel, but whats left in competition? in u14 CF, AFU and GSA will go ECNL, TH & UFA HAVE to play rpl because the rest of the teams in Athena A cant compete |
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 14:52:31 GMT -5
wow...so how soon after season is over are decisions usually made? The decision is usually made in December. Of course, made and announced are two different things, but by late December we should know, especially since they are trying to do things earlier this year. The play dates have already been announced (no, I don't remember what they are nor where they can be found, but I know they have been decided). Thanks for info...don't know what play dates youre referring to so I wont ask lol |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Nov 3, 2014 15:40:26 GMT -5
personally not a fan of 10 team groups, thats only 9 league games.
by the way, what the heck happened to the current u14 afc team? went from B to A, back to B, and haven't won a single point with 2 games left
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 3, 2014 15:49:04 GMT -5
personally not a fan of 10 team groups, thats only 9 league games. by the way, what the heck happened to the current u14 afc team? went from B to A, back to B, and haven't won a single point with 2 games left the spring season is always shorter and rainier |
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Post by fan on Nov 3, 2014 15:51:32 GMT -5
personally not a fan of 10 team groups, thats only 9 league games. by the way, what the heck happened to the current u14 afc team? went from B to A, back to B, and haven't won a single point with 2 games left I heard the AFC team lost players - someone told me 5 but another said 7 players. Whatever the actual number, the loss of just a few key players (or gain of a few) can easily move a team down (or up) a division. |
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Post by spectator on Nov 3, 2014 17:48:40 GMT -5
Regarding competition - it can drastically change from Fall to Spring and for the next few years. Teams will completely disband (not necessarily at Athena A) some kids will move to other teams, and some just get their groove going in spring where they may have struggled in fall. Don't discount what's left in Athena A and what is moving up from Athena B. Case in point -last year, Roswell's U13's got hosed in placement - landing in CD - they kicked butt - moved up to B - kicked more butt and are now vying for an RPL spot in U14 Athena A ( they'll either end up 4th or 5th but remember they started in Athena CD last year). You never know what teams will be year over year so don't discount the competition that quickly. I've also seen the team that finished on top of Athena A end up dead last the following season - injuries, people leaving, you just never know.
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 4, 2014 8:44:53 GMT -5
When people leave then wont go to the clubs that cant compete, they will go to the stronger ones, so unless a middle of the pack team starts losing players then they will be more of the level of the lower teams. but the strong teams/clubs will stay strong and some teams that are in Athena A right now will never be able to compete with them, let alone some of the ones in Athena B. Look at the standings in U13 Athena A, its a huge gap from the top teams to the bottom teams
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Post by spectator on Nov 4, 2014 10:04:49 GMT -5
Don't wring your hands and think Athena A won't be competitive. You just do not know from season to season what will happen. Not getting RPL and "slumming it" in Arhena A for Spring of U14 is not the end all of your kid's soccer career
Just see what happens. Or if you really believe not playing RPL this Spring is the worst thing ever - go to an ECNL club - from the chatter at the other forum, that's like finding you own version of Soccer Heaven with the greatest players and competition on the planet. (That's sarcasm dripping from your screen about right now)
But seriously - chill. Your great team could have half their starters get injured in Spring - not that I wish that on anyone but you are stressing about way too many unknowns here
Chill out
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Post by SoccerMom on Nov 4, 2014 10:55:01 GMT -5
Not really stressing about all the unknowns, not really interested in ENCL. Say what you want but Athena A at least for U13 wont be very competitive in the Spring
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Post by futbolandcowbell on Nov 5, 2014 8:38:46 GMT -5
Not really stressing about all the unknowns, not really interested in ENCL. Say what you want but Athena A at least for U13 wont be very competitive in the Spring My daughter plays for Roswell and if they do take 4 to RPL and we don't make it the level of competition will be different. As a parent you are concerned for the players that are ready to move on to the next level but are held back in the pack and the level of competition is not as good. A parent wants for their kid to keep progressing in good competition but on the flip side they are only U13 and U14 and have plenty of time to progress as a player. I played for most of my life and they are plenty young enough to make it if committed. At the 15 or 16 age there will be another cut off in dedication or skill then you will see the ones that serious and committed to the sport and soccer life. |
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