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Post by randomparent on May 30, 2023 9:11:16 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week.
Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up.
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Post by bolo on May 30, 2023 9:51:54 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. Older kid tryouts actually start today (due to the holiday yesterday), so you may see an uptick once they actually begin. But yes, in general, the movement in the older age groups usually takes place before tryouts even start for the most part, especially on top teams. |
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Post by jamsoccer on May 30, 2023 9:54:05 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. older kids start today so there may be a few that need to get some things of their chest-think younger team parents came to the forum after their first day? |
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Post by mightydawg on May 30, 2023 10:06:39 GMT -5
Hopefully, by U15 to U19, players and parents know that all of the real work for tryouts occurs before tryouts. Got to put that work in starting May 1st so that when tryouts arrive, it is a formality.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 30, 2023 11:05:55 GMT -5
Hopefully, by U15 to U19, players and parents know that all of the real work for tryouts occurs before tryouts. Got to put that work in starting May 1st so that when tryouts arrive, it is a formality. Hopefully they are putting in the work the whole season so their placement is a formality on their own team. If it isn’t or they are not happy where they are then going around starting May 1st will be necessary. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 30, 2023 11:32:10 GMT -5
Hopefully, by U15 to U19, players and parents know that all of the real work for tryouts occurs before tryouts. Got to put that work in starting May 1st so that when tryouts arrive, it is a formality. Hopefully they are putting in the work the whole season so their placement is a formality on their own team. If it isn’t or they are not happy where they are then going around starting May 1st will be necessary. In an ideal world, that would be nice. In the world of youth soccer, those are the players most at risk. I know of a number of ECNL players who started and played all, or most of, the game that are scrambling for spots due to a coaching change. New coach made promises to his existing players and players outside the club. I know an academy director who says that if a kid has been with the club, he will stay so he brings in new players and pushes down existing players. Beat practice is to always know your status before tryouts. |
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Post by bogan on May 30, 2023 11:43:43 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. For the most part-my son (and most of his team) knew their status going into tryouts-but he’s 2006. Doesn’t mean there couldn’t be a last minute coaching change or something squirrelly pop up-it does happen-just seems to be a lot less drama. Kids and coaches (and parents) know where they fit usually by U-15/16. |
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2023 14:57:39 GMT -5
My oldest will be starting U13 in the fall of 2024. Is there a "Parents/Players Survival Guide" or something I should be reading to prepare?
It feels like I'm always a season or two behind in terms of what the "in-the-know" parents, who all seem to have a kids a few years older than my oldest.
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Post by rifle on May 30, 2023 16:44:32 GMT -5
There is more space between players at older ages because a lot of them get tired of it and quit.
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 30, 2023 17:58:42 GMT -5
Remember that for ECNL, you can roster 30 kids and have game day rosters of 18 kids. Even then, doesn't mean 18 will play. So making a top team may not be all that great. Do your homework and look up the roster sizes for different clubs. If a team has more than 18, that means kids are sitting every weekend.
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Post by mightydawg on May 30, 2023 18:12:56 GMT -5
Remember that for ECNL, you can roster 30 kids and have game day rosters of 18 kids. Even then, doesn't mean 18 will play. So making a top team may not be all that great. Do your homework and look up the roster sizes for different clubs. If a team has more than 18, that means kids are sitting every weekend. That is a Concorde special at older ages. 20 to 24 boys on a roster. |
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on May 30, 2023 19:31:56 GMT -5
For the 2005/2004 group, there isn't a single local team that only has 18 on its roster. Interestingly enough, Concorde doesn't even have the largest roster!
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Post by soccerspin on May 30, 2023 22:45:58 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. For the most part-my son (and most of his team) knew their status going into tryouts-but he’s 2006. Doesn’t mean there couldn’t be a last minute coaching change or something squirrelly pop up-it does happen-just seems to be a lot less drama. Kids and coaches (and parents) know where they fit usually by U-15/16. Yes but the combined year (now 05/06) should not be underestimated. There can be a good bit of movement when you have a fair amount of fall birthdays (05s) who are now rising seniors - especially on a top team. Less spots available for those 06s. Even more reason to know where you stand before tryouts and to always have a plan B. |
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Post by bogan on May 31, 2023 5:47:11 GMT -5
For the most part-my son (and most of his team) knew their status going into tryouts-but he’s 2006. Doesn’t mean there couldn’t be a last minute coaching change or something squirrelly pop up-it does happen-just seems to be a lot less drama. Kids and coaches (and parents) know where they fit usually by U-15/16. Yes but the combined year (now 05/06) should not be underestimated. There can be a good bit of movement when you have a fair amount of fall birthdays (05s) who are now rising seniors - especially on a top team. Less spots available for those 06s. Even more reason to know where you stand before tryouts and to always have a plan B. This is true-hope you have a coach that’s honest going into tryouts. There shouldn’t be m/any surprises. If so, yeah, it could be a scramble. |
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Post by randomparent on May 31, 2023 8:27:40 GMT -5
Hopefully, by U15 to U19, players and parents know that all of the real work for tryouts occurs before tryouts. Got to put that work in starting May 1st so that when tryouts arrive, it is a formality. I think a lot of parents do, but not everyone. I worry about kids who come from families where English is not their first language, or families that may be lower income and not have the time/resources to keep up with the craziness of soccer, or just kids who's parents are not that engaged. My feeling is that the real tryouts start May 1 they should make that information more public. There was an absolute travesty yesterday at a tryout, where the kid was easily one of top 5-6 kids but to your point the teams were already decided and he was dropped. |
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Post by mightydawg on May 31, 2023 9:14:29 GMT -5
Hopefully, by U15 to U19, players and parents know that all of the real work for tryouts occurs before tryouts. Got to put that work in starting May 1st so that when tryouts arrive, it is a formality. I think a lot of parents do, but not everyone. I worry about kids who come from families where English is not their first language, or families that may be lower income and not have the time/resources to keep up with the craziness of soccer, or just kids who's parents are not that engaged. My feeling is that the real tryouts start May 1 they should make that information more public. There was an absolute travesty yesterday at a tryout, where the kid was easily one of top 5-6 kids but to your point the teams were already decided and he was dropped. Happens every year, sadly. Once you experience it once, you learn quickly. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on May 31, 2023 9:43:15 GMT -5
For the 2005/2004 group, there isn't a single local team that only has 18 on its roster. Interestingly enough, Concorde doesn't even have the largest roster! Thanks to the birth year mandate, it's really a no win for all involved. If they keep 24, people complain. And if they cut several their senior year, people complain. I think having an additional composite team like they did the first year was somewhat in the right direction but I guess it wasn't executed well. It just really sucks that after all these years on the hamster wheel, the last year often ends up being the worst tryout process. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 31, 2023 9:55:10 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. Partly accurate, although in some situations, many parents in the older age groups have been doing this for almost a decade by the time their children reach U15. You begin to realize that the frenzy of soccer is not worth it or quite frankly, you're burnt-out. You hunt for the best team for your child and just want to get away from all the real and imagined drama of youth soccer. I never went to tryouts when my children were old enough to drive. They were a well-known commodity by that point, and we were fortunate in both cases that their coaches had previously "given" us the word prior to tryouts. However, they were both with the same club in the entirety of their youth soccer, so that I'm sure helped. Just remember, a phenom will be seen and recognized. While an average player may get lost in the weeds... |
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Post by DunwoodySoccerDad on May 31, 2023 9:58:36 GMT -5
For the 2005/2004 group, there isn't a single local team that only has 18 on its roster. Interestingly enough, Concorde doesn't even have the largest roster! Thanks to the birth year mandate, it's really a no win for all involved. If they keep 24, people complain. And if they cut several their senior year, people complain. I think having an additional composite team like they did the first year was somewhat in the right direction but I guess it wasn't executed well. It just really sucks that after all these years on the hamster wheel, the last year often ends up being the worst tryout process. I have heard of several kids recently who are rising seniors who have decided that since they’re not playing in college (by their choice), they’re not playing club this fall and will just train privately to prep for their final senior season of HS. I think they underestimate the value of the games they’ll miss in the fall and how that impacts their play in the spring but hopefully it works out for them. |
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Post by randomparent on May 31, 2023 10:43:28 GMT -5
Thanks to the birth year mandate, it's really a no win for all involved. If they keep 24, people complain. And if they cut several their senior year, people complain. I think having an additional composite team like they did the first year was somewhat in the right direction but I guess it wasn't executed well. It just really sucks that after all these years on the hamster wheel, the last year often ends up being the worst tryout process. I have heard of several kids recently who are rising seniors who have decided that since they’re not playing in college (by their choice), they’re not playing club this fall and will just train privately to prep for their final senior season of HS. I think they underestimate the value of the games they’ll miss in the fall and how that impacts their play in the spring but hopefully it works out for them. My kids haven't done that but I would be supportive. Probably would recommend they play some rec soccer in addition to their training. For my older kids, they both have almost identical stories in HS where they have seen kids go to college for soccer and quit. Almost everyone by their sophomore year of college. Best thing you can do is fund your kids 529 plan so they don't need to chase the madness of youth soccer. |
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Post by rpsoccer on May 31, 2023 11:22:29 GMT -5
Somewhat interesting how posts regarding tryouts have died down for this week. Must be that parents of older kids have already seen it all and already know what's up. Partly accurate, although in some situations, many parents in the older age groups have been doing this for almost a decade by the time their children reach U15. You begin to realize that the frenzy of soccer is not worth it or quite frankly, you're burnt-out. You hunt for the best team for your child and just want to get away from all the real and imagined drama of youth soccer. I never went to tryouts when my children were old enough to drive. They were a well-known commodity by that point, and we were fortunate in both cases that their coaches had previously "given" us the word prior to tryouts. However, they were both with the same club in the entirety of their youth soccer, so that I'm sure helped. Just remember, a phenom will be seen and recognized. While an average player may get lost in the weeds... I think the key is the communication, as you mentioned -given us the word-. After May 1st, parents should ask their kids' coach, where does the kid stand? And be open for any given answer, move to upper level, same level, or lower level. Obviously, it takes a coach that can give a honest answer and a parent that can deal with the answer, but with that feedback the parent and kid can decide to stay or go to tryout somewhere else. That's what my kid and I did this time, decisions were made before tryouts, and there was less anxiety and drama. |
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Post by atlnoleg on May 31, 2023 12:12:16 GMT -5
Partly accurate, although in some situations, many parents in the older age groups have been doing this for almost a decade by the time their children reach U15. You begin to realize that the frenzy of soccer is not worth it or quite frankly, you're burnt-out. You hunt for the best team for your child and just want to get away from all the real and imagined drama of youth soccer. I never went to tryouts when my children were old enough to drive. They were a well-known commodity by that point, and we were fortunate in both cases that their coaches had previously "given" us the word prior to tryouts. However, they were both with the same club in the entirety of their youth soccer, so that I'm sure helped. Just remember, a phenom will be seen and recognized. While an average player may get lost in the weeds... I think the key is the communication, as you mentioned -given us the word-. After May 1st, parents should ask their kids' coach, where does the kid stand? And be open for any given answer, move to upper level, same level, or lower level. Obviously, it takes a coach that can give a honest answer and a parent that can deal with the answer, but with that feedback the parent and kid can decide to stay or go to tryout somewhere else. That's what my kid and I did this time, decisions were made before tryouts, and there was less anxiety and drama. Yeah, the bolded part. Did what I could to extract any sort of hint well in advance of ID and tryouts. Nada. Went through three nights of tryouts. Had to wait an additional 24 hours to find out kid was dropped. Oh well, I tried. Freed up some funds at least for next year. |
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Post by soccer888 on May 31, 2023 13:06:30 GMT -5
Yep, getting info from some coaches is often the problem. They refuse to provide info, then threaten you with the "must be at all 3 nights of tryouts" speech. This locks you in to them completely but they have NO loyalty to you. They are simply waiting to see if someone better comes along. If your child isn't a starter, has not been playing as many minutes as others, and the coach won't tell you where he/she stands by mid-May, that's basically an answer in itself. Then you need to decide: attend tryouts elsewhere and take whatever placement they get at new club or be prepared to accept wherever your kid lands at the current club. Choose the best possible culture and what has the most chance of a happy player who has fun out there.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 31, 2023 13:20:02 GMT -5
I think the key is the communication, as you mentioned -given us the word-. After May 1st, parents should ask their kids' coach, where does the kid stand? And be open for any given answer, move to upper level, same level, or lower level. Obviously, it takes a coach that can give a honest answer and a parent that can deal with the answer, but with that feedback the parent and kid can decide to stay or go to tryout somewhere else. That's what my kid and I did this time, decisions were made before tryouts, and there was less anxiety and drama. Yeah, the bolded part. Did what I could to extract any sort of hint well in advance of ID and tryouts. Nada. Went through three nights of tryouts. Had to wait an additional 24 hours to find out kid was dropped. Oh well, I tried. Freed up some funds at least for next year. Please mention the name of the coach so we know who we're dealing with. I find it incredible that as a paying customer, they refuse to connect with you regarding your child. Then they squander your time by forcing you to attend all three nights of an already concluded tryout. We would not take this from physicians or teachers, but we do accept it from these man-children who are consumed by their collective egos and apparent authority. This medium is useful for more than just disseminating conspiracy theories, misleading narratives, and plain old gossip. It should be used to warn people about poor service as well as bad acting individuals. #ATLSoccerYelp |
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Post by atlnoleg on May 31, 2023 15:35:29 GMT -5
Yeah, the bolded part. Did what I could to extract any sort of hint well in advance of ID and tryouts. Nada. Went through three nights of tryouts. Had to wait an additional 24 hours to find out kid was dropped. Oh well, I tried. Freed up some funds at least for next year. Please mention the name of the coach so we know who we're dealing with. I find it incredible that as a paying customer, they refuse to connect with you regarding your child. Then they squander your time by forcing you to attend all three nights of an already concluded tryout. We would not take this from physicians or teachers, but we do accept it from these man-children who are consumed by their collective egos and apparent authority. This medium is useful for more than just disseminating conspiracy theories, misleading narratives, and plain old gossip. It should be used to warn people about poor service as well as bad acting individuals. #ATLSoccerYelp Unfortunately, I have another child to consider who could be impacted, and I would out myself if I provided more details since our situation is a bit unique. Coach didn’t ghost me, he just gave a non-answer. He wouldn’t tip his hand at all despite knowing how difficult it would be for us to manage a change in teams logistically. It’s just a crappy situation all around. |
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Post by diamondmid on Jun 1, 2023 9:56:38 GMT -5
Even when you do all the right things, there's always some new way to screw over a player (and the parents by default).
Clubs and coaches will never be held accountable and it's all bullsh...
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Post by unitedchaos on Jun 2, 2023 9:43:35 GMT -5
I think one of the big challenges is when feedback is given "pre tryouts" by current coach. But a different coach is going to make roster decisions for the next year's roster. That new coach may make different selections and isnt necessarily tied to the currwnt players.
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Post by atlnoleg on Jun 2, 2023 11:45:03 GMT -5
I think one of the big challenges is when feedback is given "pre tryouts" by current coach. But a different coach is going to make roster decisions for the next year's roster. That new coach may make different selections and isnt necessarily tied to the currwnt players. This is a fair point. In our case, it was the same coach next year but he was also somewhat at the mercy of the first team coach who was dictating moves that impacted his team and the timing of offers. But a little more transparency would have gone a long way towards heading off a lot of unnecessary suffering. |
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