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Post by futboldad1 on Aug 18, 2023 7:51:33 GMT -5
Hey everyone!
Despite my kids being actively involved in competitive club soccer in Georgia for the past 5 years, I still consider myself new to the youth soccer culture here (of course because it's so fragmented). As my children continue to grow and the level of competition increases, I find myself navigating through the various leagues, teams, and rankings in our area that provide different information etc.
In recent discussions with other team parents on practice nights (yes, my players are still under 16), we've observed that the various websites providing team rankings tend to be somewhat unclear, contradictory, or occasionally downright incorrect. The information overload and differing opinions poses the challenge to stay informed with the best information.
My question . . .
In addition to relying solely on official league websites (ECNL, ECRL, GA, DPL, SAPL, SCCL etc.) that provide win-loss records, which other websites do you typically reference to get the most reliable state-wide records and rankings for club teams?
Thanks!
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Post by mightydawg on Aug 18, 2023 8:27:16 GMT -5
There isn’t one. Sinc sports only includes tournaments hosted on its platform and games entered by the team so it is easily manipulated. Got soccer only includes games and tournaments on its platform. The only way to truly get a feel is to check league standings, sinc sports and got soccer to see record and who they have beaten. In most cases, it is not worth the time.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Aug 18, 2023 9:09:26 GMT -5
Hey everyone! Despite my kids being actively involved in competitive club soccer in Georgia for the past 5 years, I still consider myself new to the youth soccer culture here (of course because it's so fragmented). As my children continue to grow and the level of competition increases, I find myself navigating through the various leagues, teams, and rankings in our area that provide different information etc. In recent discussions with other team parents on practice nights (yes, my players are still under 16), we've observed that the various websites providing team rankings tend to be somewhat unclear, contradictory, or occasionally downright incorrect. The information overload and differing opinions poses the challenge to stay informed with the best information. My question . . . In addition to relying solely on official league websites (ECNL, ECRL, GA, DPL, SAPL, SCCL etc.) that provide win-loss records, which other websites do you typically reference to get the most reliable state-wide records and rankings for club teams? Thanks! A couple of years ago there was one, but it shut down. It was surprisingly accurate reflection and not sure how the individual put it together. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 18, 2023 9:35:10 GMT -5
I'll kick off by saying Rankings Do Not Matter!!!
Rankings don't get your player into better colleges, on to YNTs, or even on a pro contract. Focus on working with a skilled coach, fostering exceptional development, and creating an environment that challenges the player to grow and be better. Remember, each of these sources may have its own biases, limitations, data collection methods, or, at times, conflicts since, for some, if you pay, you get promoted. Given the landscape of numerous alphabet soup leagues, each with its own claims of being more elite than the next, it's important to know that determining a single, definitive resource for accurate state-wide records and rankings for club teams can be challenging. I personally am of the belief that, for girls, ECNL and, for boys, MLS-Next Pro (MLS) are the top teams. With that said, a GAL, ECNL boys, or cohesive ECRL team can beat any of those top teams at any time or place. You see, not all the top players, play for the top teams in the top leagues. Some families don't want to travel; others can't justify the costs; and others have other interests that keep them from committing to the top teams.
Good-Luck...
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Post by newposter on Aug 18, 2023 9:56:27 GMT -5
I would disagree that MLS Next is a higher league than ECNL Boys. This assertion is based on the clubs that have ECNL vs MLS Next in the Atlanta Metro area. Those with MLS Next are those who were not in ECNL and not part of the Big 5 clubs. IMO.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 18, 2023 10:13:06 GMT -5
I would disagree that MLS Next is a higher league than ECNL Boys. This assertion is based on the clubs that have ECNL vs MLS Next in the Atlanta Metro area. Those with MLS Next are those who were not in ECNL and not part of the Big 5 clubs. IMO. I agree with what you say, but I meant to specifically note the MLS-Next Pro Route which are the MLS Academies, not the regular MLS Next clubs like SSA or KSA... |
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Post by futboldad1 on Aug 18, 2023 11:47:38 GMT -5
I'll kick off by saying Rankings Do Not Matter!!! Rankings don't get your player into better colleges, on to YNTs, or even on a pro contract. Focus on working with a skilled coach, fostering exceptional development, and creating an environment that challenges the player to grow and be better. Remember, each of these sources may have its own biases, limitations, data collection methods, or, at times, conflicts since, for some, if you pay, you get promoted. Given the landscape of numerous alphabet soup leagues, each with its own claims of being more elite than the next, it's important to know that determining a single, definitive resource for accurate state-wide records and rankings for club teams can be challenging. I personally am of the belief that, for girls, ECNL and, for boys, MLS-Next Pro (MLS) are the top teams. With that said, a GAL, ECNL boys, or cohesive ECRL team can beat any of those top teams at any time or place. You see, not all the top players, play for the top teams in the top leagues. Some families don't want to travel; others can't justify the costs; and others have other interests that keep them from committing to the top teams. Good-Luck... The original post/question was light hearted . . . I don't care if my kid gets on a college team (pro?, YNT?, how funny!). All I want is for them to be fit and to have the confidence to compete in any situation. If my kid plays through HS, I'll be ecstatic. They are smart enough to be successful with their brain (if they choose to do so) . . . I just hope to provide a pathway to earn physical confidence / development for the rest of their life. Isn't that why we're here? |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Aug 18, 2023 12:02:41 GMT -5
I'll kick off by saying Rankings Do Not Matter!!! Rankings don't get your player into better colleges, on to YNTs, or even on a pro contract. Focus on working with a skilled coach, fostering exceptional development, and creating an environment that challenges the player to grow and be better. Remember, each of these sources may have its own biases, limitations, data collection methods, or, at times, conflicts since, for some, if you pay, you get promoted. Given the landscape of numerous alphabet soup leagues, each with its own claims of being more elite than the next, it's important to know that determining a single, definitive resource for accurate state-wide records and rankings for club teams can be challenging. I personally am of the belief that, for girls, ECNL and, for boys, MLS-Next Pro (MLS) are the top teams. With that said, a GAL, ECNL boys, or cohesive ECRL team can beat any of those top teams at any time or place. You see, not all the top players, play for the top teams in the top leagues. Some families don't want to travel; others can't justify the costs; and others have other interests that keep them from committing to the top teams. Good-Luck... The original post/question was light hearted . . . I don't care if my kid gets on a college team (pro?, YNT?, how funny!). All I want is for them to be fit and to have the confidence to compete in any situation. If my kid plays through HS, I'll be ecstatic. They are smart enough to be successful with their brain (if they choose to do so) . . . I just hope to provide a pathway to earn physical confidence / development for the rest of their life. Isn't that why we're here? I got what you were saying in the OP. I used to look around for those sites that rank teams too. Mostly for fun and to see if I could determine how tough the opponent might be for a tournament against a team we have never played or to see where our team might stack up against a team we just played against. It was never about necessarily about seeing if we were THE top-ranked team. Unfortunately, as others have stated, there isn't an accurate site out there like others have mentioned because it can be manipulated by the data being input (or not input), the team rosters change year to year, etc. I wound up to just using the sites mentioned as a "ballpark" to compare teams and mostly wound up trusting the coaches knowledge as they tend to get much more information about the teams by comparing notes with each other. That would probably be your best source of info. |
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Post by tdb on Aug 18, 2023 12:45:48 GMT -5
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 19, 2023 8:27:45 GMT -5
Hey everyone! Despite my kids being actively involved in competitive club soccer in Georgia for the past 5 years, I still consider myself new to the youth soccer culture here (of course because it's so fragmented). As my children continue to grow and the level of competition increases, I find myself navigating through the various leagues, teams, and rankings in our area that provide different information etc. In recent discussions with other team parents on practice nights (yes, my players are still under 16), we've observed that the various websites providing team rankings tend to be somewhat unclear, contradictory, or occasionally downright incorrect. The information overload and differing opinions poses the challenge to stay informed with the best information. My question . . . In addition to relying solely on official league websites (ECNL, ECRL, GA, DPL, SAPL, SCCL etc.) that provide win-loss records, which other websites do you typically reference to get the most reliable state-wide records and rankings for club teams? Thanks! SINC sports used to be reliable at the academy ages when the teams played 8 or so tournaments per year. Now that most clubs play 4-6 tournaments and several are GotSport ones it is no longer reliable for records and meh about rankings especially once the division of leagues happens. Many of the best teams are not even in SincSports by the time they are u14 or u15 and it skews all of the data. Garbage in, garbage out You can no longer get a reliable ranking unless you are talking the top 25-30 teams and those are on topdrawersoccer.com and soccerwire also does a club ranking each year for girls and for boys. Those both are nation wide. At this point the best you can do is to follow the different league’s sites and see win loss draw records in those leagues and cross reference that with the tournament records. It is not practical. If you are searching for a new team that info could be helpful. If you are looking at your next opponent it is not going to be a great way to know unless you are near the end of a season due to turnover |
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Aug 20, 2023 10:09:43 GMT -5
I'll kick off by saying Rankings Do Not Matter!!! Rankings don't get your player into better colleges, on to YNTs, or even on a pro contract. Focus on working with a skilled coach, fostering exceptional development, and creating an environment that challenges the player to grow and be better. Remember, each of these sources may have its own biases, limitations, data collection methods, or, at times, conflicts since, for some, if you pay, you get promoted. Given the landscape of numerous alphabet soup leagues, each with its own claims of being more elite than the next, it's important to know that determining a single, definitive resource for accurate state-wide records and rankings for club teams can be challenging. I personally am of the belief that, for girls, ECNL and, for boys, MLS-Next Pro (MLS) are the top teams. With that said, a GAL, ECNL boys, or cohesive ECRL team can beat any of those top teams at any time or place. You see, not all the top players, play for the top teams in the top leagues. Some families don't want to travel; others can't justify the costs; and others have other interests that keep them from committing to the top teams. Good-Luck... yeah yeah, but like i said somebody came up with a pretty accurate rating system that got taken down a couple years ago. what i liked about it was you saw a number of ECRL teams above ECNL teams, a couple SCCL teams above a few ECRL and ECNL. it was a hodgepodge that broke down the alphabet soup. P1 teams above SCCL teams. |
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Post by socks on Aug 24, 2023 17:15:30 GMT -5
Hadn’t heard of this app, but considering nothing will be 100% accurate, this is about as good as it is going to get. Thanks for sharing! |
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Post by footyfan on Aug 26, 2023 21:18:18 GMT -5
I believe the Rankings app is by the same guy that used to run that ranking website.
The rankings in the app are no better or worse a gauge of talent than the leagues we parents & coaches pretend are accurate gauges of talent. But at least its a side by side comparison.
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Post by unitedchaos on Aug 26, 2023 21:29:04 GMT -5
I believe the Rankings app is by the same guy that used to run that ranking website. The rankings in the app are no better or worse a gauge of talent than the leagues we parents & coaches pretend are accurate gauges of talent. But at least its a side by side comparison. Soccer Rankings app is run by the same guy. It's uncanny how accurate the predictions are sometimes. It's a great app. |
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Post by gsadad on Aug 26, 2023 23:57:26 GMT -5
Yeah-IMO it’s the most accurate app I have seen.
I think they look at all games, tournaments & even showcases where appropriate. Whereas I feel like other apps just went off tournaments. And yes- as someone was asking I have seen RL teams ranked above ECNL teams and even SCCL teams rank higher too. You don’t see it a lot because I think they take into consideration strength of schedule too and they can’t typically measure based on head to head.
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