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Post by Panenka on Sept 21, 2023 15:13:18 GMT -5
Since the season started I've noticed our Coach favoring a small group of players by allowing them to play the entire 50 minute game, while others including our child and a few others are on the bench and play at most 15 minutes a game. For context this is Academy Soccer not Rec and the kids are 8 to 9 year old. My questions to parents are: - Is this common at this age group so we should just accept it since we are in Academy soccer not Rec?
- Would you express your concern to Coach?
- For those parents that expressed your concern to the coach...was it well received? Did it help your child get more game time?
- Did you have to escalate to academy leadership because Coach couldn't care less about your opinion? Sounds harsh but trust me very feasible in this situation.
Just to be clear my expectations is not that each player plays the exact amount of time, but it shouldn't be so lob-sided. I know as they get bigger the starting lineup always plays more.....but at such a young age seems excessive and it could lead to kids losing interest in the sport or worse impacting their confidence.
Appreciate your thoughts
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 21, 2023 15:24:39 GMT -5
The first conversation with the Coach should be:
Little Johnny would like to earn more playing time. What can he do to earn more playing time?
Take the conversation from there. If you start a conversation with, you are favoring other players, it won't go well.
There are a number of reasons that some kids get more time than others including practice attentiveness and performance. Also, is this kid driven or parent driven?
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Post by mamadona on Sept 21, 2023 16:07:50 GMT -5
That sucks. They should be playing at least half the game. Ask the coach to let them play at least half the game so they can get more confident and improve, and also ask what they can do better at practice.
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Post by bogan on Sept 21, 2023 16:08:31 GMT -5
The first conversation with the Coach should be: Little Johnny would like to earn more playing time. What can he do to earn more playing time? Take the conversation from there. If you start a conversation with, you are favoring other players, it won't go well. There are a number of reasons that some kids get more time than others including practice attentiveness and performance. Also, is this kid driven or parent driven? I agree but would add at that age the playing time should be somewhat balanced. If not, there is an issue-but agree mightydawg that the best way to approach it is to ask what your player needs to do to earn more playing time. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 21, 2023 16:36:42 GMT -5
Academy ages, everyone should be getting at least 50% playing time. That has always been my experience with both my kids. The better players will likely get more than 50% playing time. Academy is about learning skills more than winning, and the best way to get better is game type environment rather than training. Yes training helps and works, but nothing is a substitute for playing time.
Has this been a consistent thing over multiple games? If it was just 1 game I would say the coach probably just didn't do well remembering to substitute correctly. If it is happening multiple times then the coach is likely not doing what the Director or club wants with academy aged players I would imagine unless this is some small time club that isn't very organized or something.
Mighty Dawgs way to approach it is correct for 11v11 Select teams, but I disagree with Academy age. You are paying the same money as the other parents are. You can approach it the diplomatic way, but in my opinion the coach is already in the wrong here at this young age doing this to players, and he likely isn't going to be receptive to any questioning of it no matter how it is phrased.
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 21, 2023 16:48:47 GMT -5
Just leave. It will never get better with that coach. Nothing you can say or do will fix it.
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Post by Panenka on Sept 21, 2023 16:49:24 GMT -5
A bit more context, at the beginning of the season in one of the tournaments a parent approached the coach expressing this same concern. The coach said “ in tournaments I’m in it to win it, during regular season games that is when I rotate players in different positions and they get more play time”. Fast forward to recent times during regular season games and nothing has changed. Coach continues to be lob sided in favor of a select few. Just to be clear nothing against the select few, its the coach that does this that we criticize.
So to answer a few questions
- it’s multiple games
- the players express concern to each parents, and it’s the parents that are vouching for fair play time.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 21, 2023 17:12:59 GMT -5
A bit more context, at the beginning of the season in one of the tournaments a parent approached the coach expressing this same concern. The coach said “ in tournaments I’m in it to win it, during regular season games that is when I rotate players in different positions and they get more play time”. Fast forward to recent times during regular season games and nothing has changed. Coach continues to be lob sided in favor of a select few. Just to be clear nothing against the select few, its the coach that does this that we criticize. So to answer a few questions - it’s multiple games - the players express concern to each parents, and it’s the parents that are vouching for fair play time. What soccerloafer stated above is correct. It likely won't get better with that coach. If there are other Academy teams for that age group I would ask for your kid to be moved to another team and tell the director why. I can understand the sentiment with tournaments. In games that mean something, the coach should be in it to win it, and thus playing time might be a little different in tournaments vs regular academy games. My son had a coach even in U16 and U17 that ran the select team like a recreation type team anyway giving players that had not business even sniffing 1/3 playing time getting 50% or more even in tournaments. In some cases some of them got 80-100% playing time, and i believe it was just to spite the parents and starter players to just piss us off more. It would be clear to unbiased person who the better players on his team were and who did not need to be getting the playing time they were getting, so I don't just have rose colored glasses on. That coach was an unprofessional piece of work (and that is as polite as I can make it). It was to the point where the parents of all the starters and better players wondered why we even paid for tournaments if the coach was not there to put the best lineup in and win it and that was said as much to the coach as well. The director's refusal to get rid of this coach and the way the coach handled me and other parents is why my son is playing somewhere else this season. In the end it worked out great for my kid. All that being said, as loafer said this isn't going to get better, so unless the director wants to step in and replace the coach or there is another team for your child to play on it is time to move on to another club after the season is over. Maybe even ask if you can get a release after the fall season so you can take your kid somewhere else for the spring if the director is not receptive to your issues. I don't think talking with the coach is going to fix anything. Academy games are meaningless games, and there should be no excuse not giving everyone at least 50% playing time in those games. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 21, 2023 17:48:21 GMT -5
Just leave. It will never get better with that coach. Nothing you can say or do will fix it. …that would be my next step. But in my experiences, you are right. It will probably not change anything (talking to the coach). |
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Post by Panenka on Sept 21, 2023 17:56:43 GMT -5
A bit more context, at the beginning of the season in one of the tournaments a parent approached the coach expressing this same concern. The coach said “ in tournaments I’m in it to win it, during regular season games that is when I rotate players in different positions and they get more play time”. Fast forward to recent times during regular season games and nothing has changed. Coach continues to be lob sided in favor of a select few. Just to be clear nothing against the select few, its the coach that does this that we criticize. So to answer a few questions - it’s multiple games - the players express concern to each parents, and it’s the parents that are vouching for fair play time. What soccerloafer stated above is correct. It likely won't get better with that coach. If there are other Academy teams for that age group I would ask for your kid to be moved to another team and tell the director why. I can understand the sentiment with tournaments. In games that mean something, the coach should be in it to win it, and thus playing time might be a little different in tournaments vs regular academy games. My son had a coach even in U16 and U17 that ran the select team like a recreation type team anyway giving players that had not business even sniffing 1/3 playing time getting 50% or more even in tournaments. In some cases some of them got 80-100% playing time, and i believe it was just to spite the parents and starter players to just piss us off more. It would be clear to unbiased person who the better players on his team were and who did not need to be getting the playing time they were getting, so I don't just have rose colored glasses on. That coach was an unprofessional piece of work (and that is as polite as I can make it). It was to the point where the parents of all the starters and better players wondered why we even paid for tournaments if the coach was not there to put the best lineup in and win it and that was said as much to the coach as well. The director's refusal to get rid of this coach and the way the coach handled me and other parents is why my son is playing somewhere else this season. In the end it worked out great for my kid. All that being said, as loafer said this isn't going to get better, so unless the director wants to step in and replace the coach or there is another team for your child to play on it is time to move on to another club after the season is over. Maybe even ask if you can get a release after the fall season so you can take your kid somewhere else for the spring if the director is not receptive to your issues. I don't think talking with the coach is going to fix anything. Academy games are meaningless games, and there should be no excuse not giving everyone at least 50% playing time in those games. Here is the last interesting detail about this story, the coach is the new Academy Director for the club. So escalating this would require involving executive leadership , well above the Academy Director. Per Club Policy players should play at least 50% of a game, unless you are the Director who in this case doesn’t enforce it. |
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Post by lovetokickit on Sept 22, 2023 5:17:47 GMT -5
The kids are 8 years old... The playing time should be balanced. I do understand about forgetting to make substitutions every now and again, but at this age, winning shouldn't matter, not even at tournaments. The fact that he said that is 🚩🚩🚩
The coach's goal should be are my players getting better/improving, are my players becoming more comfortable on the ball, are my players looking up when dribbling, are my players trying to make the right pass.
The season just started! You can't quit, and you can't let your kid quit... This is the first lesson of many regarding adversity. I would plan to have a talk with the coach. Going to leadership probably won't do you any good.
Questions to ask yourself are the same as above... Is my kid improving? And agreeing with the poster above regarding approaching the coach from, "what can my kid do to earn more playing time?"
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Post by soccerloafer on Sept 22, 2023 7:18:49 GMT -5
What soccerloafer stated above is correct. It likely won't get better with that coach. If there are other Academy teams for that age group I would ask for your kid to be moved to another team and tell the director why. I can understand the sentiment with tournaments. In games that mean something, the coach should be in it to win it, and thus playing time might be a little different in tournaments vs regular academy games. My son had a coach even in U16 and U17 that ran the select team like a recreation type team anyway giving players that had not business even sniffing 1/3 playing time getting 50% or more even in tournaments. In some cases some of them got 80-100% playing time, and i believe it was just to spite the parents and starter players to just piss us off more. It would be clear to unbiased person who the better players on his team were and who did not need to be getting the playing time they were getting, so I don't just have rose colored glasses on. That coach was an unprofessional piece of work (and that is as polite as I can make it). It was to the point where the parents of all the starters and better players wondered why we even paid for tournaments if the coach was not there to put the best lineup in and win it and that was said as much to the coach as well. The director's refusal to get rid of this coach and the way the coach handled me and other parents is why my son is playing somewhere else this season. In the end it worked out great for my kid. All that being said, as loafer said this isn't going to get better, so unless the director wants to step in and replace the coach or there is another team for your child to play on it is time to move on to another club after the season is over. Maybe even ask if you can get a release after the fall season so you can take your kid somewhere else for the spring if the director is not receptive to your issues. I don't think talking with the coach is going to fix anything. Academy games are meaningless games, and there should be no excuse not giving everyone at least 50% playing time in those games. Here is the last interesting detail about this story, the coach is the new Academy Director for the club. So escalating this would require involving executive leadership , well above the Academy Director. Per Club Policy players should play at least 50% of a game, unless you are the Director who in this case doesn’t enforce it. Yeah, you're F-d. Keep your kid's spirit up for the season and get out of there as soon as possible if you want him to stay in the game. Been there, done that. Absolutely heartbreaking to watch your kid lose confidence, passion, and development time because of a short-sighted adult. Go somewhere else and he'll recover. |
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Post by Panenka on Sept 22, 2023 7:51:50 GMT -5
Yes I have to seriously consider moving to another club. I have other reasons of concern with respect to this coach, but by far how he handles game time is the most pressing. Thankfully my child practices outside of the club two other days a week with great coaches during the season so that helps him learn from others that are fair and prioritize individual development over a win.
I will have to read the policy book in terms of how to go about requesting a release. Want to try to avoid having to pay full year fees at my current club with no possibility of a refund only to turn around and pay yet again to the club we move to.
And yes it's absolutely heartbreaking.
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 22, 2023 7:59:17 GMT -5
There are legitimate reasons, even in academy, of why kids do not receive 50% playing time. Most of the time, it is not some sinister motive by the coach. When my son was U9 and U10, we had the same coach both seasons and virtually the same team. Team was really good but we had a few players that could not control themselves at practice and were disruptive to the learning of the other players and the flow of practice. As a result, those players would get less time in the game because the coach did not want to reward the bad behavior. This was readily apparent to anyone who watched practice. The parents of those players were upset because their kids did not get 50% playing time but the coach had his reasons, which were for the good of the team. This is but one example of why you should always start by asking the coach what your player can do to earn more time.
If he has a reason, fix it.
If his reason is winning, work with your kid on developing their skills and find a new place to play the next year.
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Post by soccerrivals on Sept 22, 2023 8:14:15 GMT -5
Academy ages, everyone should be getting at least 50% playing time. That has always been my experience with both my kids. The better players will likely get more than 50% playing time. Academy is about learning skills more than winning, and the best way to get better is game type environment rather than training. Yes training helps and works, but nothing is a substitute for playing time. Everybody says this "Academy is about learning not winning", but in reality not many coaches follow that though. Had seen numbers of coaches all they do is to try to win the games, which is sad. |
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Post by Panenka on Sept 22, 2023 8:20:35 GMT -5
There are legitimate reasons, even in academy, of why kids do not receive 50% playing time. Most of the time, it is not some sinister motive by the coach. When my son was U9 and U10, we had the same coach both seasons and virtually the same team. Team was really good but we had a few players that could not control themselves at practice and were disruptive to the learning of the other players and the flow of practice. As a result, those players would get less time in the game because the coach did not want to reward the bad behavior. This was readily apparent to anyone who watched practice. The parents of those players were upset because their kids did not get 50% playing time but the coach had his reasons, which were for the good of the team. This is but one example of why you should always start by asking the coach what your player can do to earn more time. If he has a reason, fix it. If his reason is winning, work with your kid on developing their skills and find a new place to play the next year. Completely agree that some reasons are valid like the one you just mentioned. Thankfully in this case none of the kids that have more bench time I would personally consider to be disruptive during training. I also don't think it has anything to do with reasons such as " my son is not as skilled" compared to those that get more game time. Not at all. With respect to talking to the Coach......hard to believe this BUT after the tournament I mentioned earlier in the post Coach cut-off all communication with parents and any comments , requests or concerns have to be communicated to the Team Manager and the TM will talk to Coach. But other than say Hello and Good bye there is no communication between parents and the Coach. |
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Post by oldboy on Sept 22, 2023 9:20:28 GMT -5
A bit more context, at the beginning of the season in one of the tournaments a parent approached the coach expressing this same concern. The coach said “ in tournaments I’m in it to win it, during regular season games that is when I rotate players in different positions and they get more play time”. Fast forward to recent times during regular season games and nothing has changed. Coach continues to be lob sided in favor of a select few. Just to be clear nothing against the select few, its the coach that does this that we criticize. So to answer a few questions - it’s multiple games - the players express concern to each parents, and it’s the parents that are vouching for fair play time. There is never a time coaching 8 and 9 year olds that a coach should be "in it to win it." That's a clear indication of a coach who doesn't have their priorities in line with best practices at that age group. I would ask for change through whatever channels the club has. If change doesn't materialize, I would change teams/clubs. |
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Post by mightydawg on Sept 22, 2023 11:50:00 GMT -5
There are legitimate reasons, even in academy, of why kids do not receive 50% playing time. Most of the time, it is not some sinister motive by the coach. When my son was U9 and U10, we had the same coach both seasons and virtually the same team. Team was really good but we had a few players that could not control themselves at practice and were disruptive to the learning of the other players and the flow of practice. As a result, those players would get less time in the game because the coach did not want to reward the bad behavior. This was readily apparent to anyone who watched practice. The parents of those players were upset because their kids did not get 50% playing time but the coach had his reasons, which were for the good of the team. This is but one example of why you should always start by asking the coach what your player can do to earn more time. If he has a reason, fix it. If his reason is winning, work with your kid on developing their skills and find a new place to play the next year. Completely agree that some reasons are valid like the one you just mentioned. Thankfully in this case none of the kids that have more bench time I would personally consider to be disruptive during training. I also don't think it has anything to do with reasons such as " my son is not as skilled" compared to those that get more game time. Not at all. With respect to talking to the Coach......hard to believe this BUT after the tournament I mentioned earlier in the post Coach cut-off all communication with parents and any comments , requests or concerns have to be communicated to the Team Manager and the TM will talk to Coach. But other than say Hello and Good bye there is no communication between parents and the Coach. THat is a problem for sure. A team manager should not be involved in those types of issues. I would ask the coach for a time either before practice or after practice to talk about your son. I would approach that your son loves soccer but he is losing some of his passion for the game and he wants to earn more playing time. What can he do to earn more playing time? and then listen to what the coach has to say. |
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Post by bogan on Sept 22, 2023 12:03:31 GMT -5
Completely agree that some reasons are valid like the one you just mentioned. Thankfully in this case none of the kids that have more bench time I would personally consider to be disruptive during training. I also don't think it has anything to do with reasons such as " my son is not as skilled" compared to those that get more game time. Not at all. With respect to talking to the Coach......hard to believe this BUT after the tournament I mentioned earlier in the post Coach cut-off all communication with parents and any comments , requests or concerns have to be communicated to the Team Manager and the TM will talk to Coach. But other than say Hello and Good bye there is no communication between parents and the Coach. THat is a problem for sure. A team manager should not be involved in those types of issues. I would ask the coach for a time either before practice or after practice to talk about your son. I would approach that your son loves soccer but he is losing some of his passion for the game and he wants to earn more playing time. What can he do to earn more playing time? and then listen to what the coach has to say. The coaches reaction will tell you more than what he actually says. |
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Post by Oceanready on Sept 22, 2023 16:56:17 GMT -5
To my knowledge, Academy wins/losses (regular games) are not listed on a website. If I recall, you just know if you win or lose and each club tracks it for record purposes, but it may have changed. I mentioned this because at Academy level, it is should always be focused on development not wins. Your payment was not partial, so your child’s playing time and development shouldn’t be either. Winning means nothing if key skills are never mastered.
I would have a major problem communicating through a TM about this issue, especially if their child gets more playing time (highly likely). One tip I can give you is, stay clear of any bandwagons with other parents that may also be concerned IF it becomes you’ll against the parents who kids get the most playing time. Focus on your child and communicating with the coach about them only, and then next season, evaluate everything and make your decision. Good luck.
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Post by rifle on Sept 22, 2023 17:16:33 GMT -5
Did you say this is the club’s academy director?
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 22, 2023 17:44:28 GMT -5
Did you say this is the club’s academy director? This has to be a smaller club if I had to guess especially with him having to go to executive leadership for the issue. If it was a branch of a big club or even the main branch of a big club, there is always a Director higher than an Academy/Select director you can address stuff with. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Sept 22, 2023 17:52:16 GMT -5
There are legitimate reasons, even in academy, of why kids do not receive 50% playing time. Most of the time, it is not some sinister motive by the coach. When my son was U9 and U10, we had the same coach both seasons and virtually the same team. Team was really good but we had a few players that could not control themselves at practice and were disruptive to the learning of the other players and the flow of practice. As a result, those players would get less time in the game because the coach did not want to reward the bad behavior. This was readily apparent to anyone who watched practice. The parents of those players were upset because their kids did not get 50% playing time but the coach had his reasons, which were for the good of the team. This is but one example of why you should always start by asking the coach what your player can do to earn more time. If he has a reason, fix it. If his reason is winning, work with your kid on developing their skills and find a new place to play the next year. Completely agree that some reasons are valid like the one you just mentioned. Thankfully in this case none of the kids that have more bench time I would personally consider to be disruptive during training. I also don't think it has anything to do with reasons such as " my son is not as skilled" compared to those that get more game time. Not at all. With respect to talking to the Coach......hard to believe this BUT after the tournament I mentioned earlier in the post Coach cut-off all communication with parents and any comments , requests or concerns have to be communicated to the Team Manager and the TM will talk to Coach. But other than say Hello and Good bye there is no communication between parents and the Coach. He's screwing the Team Manager over here. I've been there done that as a team manager, not that the coach told me to handle complaints about playing time etc..., but the parents would come to me with complaints about stuff like that or game strategy etc... I would always tell them to talk to the coach or director if they had an issue. This was even part of the issue with my kid's last club and why we are somewhere else now. I was team manager, and the parents were confiding in me issues with the Coach (most of which I agreed with them on), and not to mention I am life long friends with these parents (and still continue to be). Turns out the coach pretty much thought I was a ring leader when I came to him basically trying to warn him about the animosity of the parents toward him so he could handle it. I was no ring leader, but it was what it was. The coach handled the whole thing incorrectly, and unprofessionally both in my situation, and yours is doing the same here. It's going to end up biting the Team Manager in the ass if he/she doesn't watch out unless the team manager and the director are really good friends or something. It sounds like you are in a mess, and I'm sorry your child is stuck in the middle of it. Definitely get out of there after Spring season and find a better fit. In the meantime, if you don't think things will get worse than I would definitely set up a time to talk to the Coach/Director and try to get it resolved. If he is not receptive then the next step would be to type up an email with your concerns to him and also CC his boss (executive management). That will probably piss him off, but his bosses need to know how he is handling stuff (TM handling complaints, not talking to parents, playing time issue, etc...) |
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Post by Panenka on Sept 22, 2023 19:07:35 GMT -5
Did you say this is the club’s academy director? Yes coach is the Academy Director |
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Post by Panenka on Sept 22, 2023 19:13:38 GMT -5
Did you say this is the club’s academy director? This has to be a smaller club if I had to guess especially with him having to go to executive leadership for the issue. If it was a branch of a big club or even the main branch of a big club, there is always a Director higher than an Academy/Select director you can address stuff with. This is a BIG Club. The club has several directors one for academy, one for select, etc . When I say executive leadership I’m referring to Director of Coaches and the Executive Director. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 22, 2023 20:20:54 GMT -5
Red flags everywhere here. In it to win it is WRONG approach at this age group especially at the preseason tournament where you should just be evaluating your players and trying out new positions, etc.
Children should not be punished with loss of playing time until after coach has attempted remedy in training sessions (like sitting out, extra fitness) and discussed the behavior with the parents with no improvement. They are still only 8 years old and they might not know how to behave in an academy session and need to be given a chance to improve their behavior. As far as I know nearly every local club has a rule that 50% game time is a minimum unless unusual circumstances exist. A few weeks of disruptive behavior is not unusual in this age group especially with boys. BUT OP said this is not the issue here anyway…
Major red flag that coach won’t talk to parents without TM as a gate keeper. At this age the coach should be open to communication with parents and as the ACADEMY DIRECTOR it is literally a major part of his JOB!!! It is fine to have the TM help set up a time (maybe) but that is it.
It is definitely a good idea to try to teach your kids that you should not quit at the first sign of trouble BUT I would be already looking at options (other club, other team at same club, other age group) so you are ready when it is time. It is also important to teach your child when to cut your losses, to value his happiness, to stick up for himself and what is right and what was promised to you in a contract, and to know the value of money.
Finally we had this situation at the academy ages where several kids were not given half of a game playing time and ALL of the parents of the children affected (about a third of the players initially but things changed about every 2-3 months and it could be a different 3 or 4 who were in the doghouse) spoke with the coach over the course of the year. It never got better.
Good luck.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Sept 22, 2023 21:45:34 GMT -5
Since the season started I've noticed our Coach favoring a small group of players by allowing them to play the entire 50 minute game, while others including our child and a few others are on the bench and play at most 15 minutes a game. For context this is Academy Soccer not Rec and the kids are 8 to 9 year old. My questions to parents are: - Is this common at this age group so we should just accept it since we are in Academy soccer not Rec?
- Would you express your concern to Coach?
- For those parents that expressed your concern to the coach...was it well received? Did it help your child get more game time?
- Did you have to escalate to academy leadership because Coach couldn't care less about your opinion? Sounds harsh but trust me very feasible in this situation.
Just to be clear my expectations is not that each player plays the exact amount of time, but it shouldn't be so lob-sided. I know as they get bigger the starting lineup always plays more.....but at such a young age seems excessive and it could lead to kids losing interest in the sport or worse impacting their confidence.
Appreciate your thoughts
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Post by NotherSoccerParent on Sept 24, 2023 16:09:01 GMT -5
At that age, kids should be playing roughly the same amount of time unless a kid(s) doesn’t show up to practice. I don’t see many 8-9 year old intentionally being disruptive but that would be another reason to reduce play time. Most importantly, kids at that age need to play multiple positions bc the best players down the road are not necessarily the most talented ones but the smartest ones who know how to play the time and maximize their own talents. If this coach is the academy director, like others have said, may have to look into moving on in the spring.
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Post by Panenka on Sept 25, 2023 10:07:24 GMT -5
I posted this question to see if my point of view was off-base including possibly getting carried away due to emotion, but apparently it's not. It's reassuring to know that other coaches and parents value fairness and player development over just getting a Win at all costs, specially for players at the age of 8. Personally it would be great if we can continue at this club however I'll definitely need to explore other clubs if this continues down the same path. If anyone has a strong recommendation for a great Coach of boys u9 Academy feel free to message me directly. I'd be interested in visiting and viewing a training session or two.
Thank you to everyone who shared their thoughts, opinions and suggestions.
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Post by rifle on Sept 25, 2023 18:34:14 GMT -5
Where do you live? I think driving hours for kids sports is a tremendous waste of time, money and resources.
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