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Post by randomparent on Oct 19, 2023 5:22:33 GMT -5
Don’t forget that coaches also have something called confirmation bias. Players 12 through 16-18 can become better than 1-11, but they won’t see it. There are also issues with powerful and influential parents who find ways to sway coaches on playing time. All kids are there to learn the game of soccer and to have fun. Even high school aged kids deserve some playing time, encouragement and opportunity to SHOW ON THE FIELD how much they have learned. The DA days of only 3-5 subs are over. H*ll even the pros get 5-6 subs depending on the type of game. By the time u13/14 comes around, the top players are playing on the top teams on the strongest clubs. The players know who the best players are. The top 50 in the state are known. Like anything, there are players who are just better. The very best teams get better by improving their subs as players 12 - 16 provide good minutes. Top 50 is way too many. It is a participation trophy. There are at most a dozen kids any year in ATL that are movers and shakers for an age group. Everyone else is riding their coattails, chest thumping about being on ECNL. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Oct 19, 2023 16:13:28 GMT -5
By the time u13/14 comes around, the top players are playing on the top teams on the strongest clubs. The players know who the best players are. The top 50 in the state are known. Like anything, there are players who are just better. The very best teams get better by improving their subs as players 12 - 16 provide good minutes. Top 50 is way too many. It is a participation trophy. There are at most a dozen kids any year in ATL that are movers and shakers for an age group. Everyone else is riding their coattails, chest thumping about being on ECNL. Not sure why 50 is not believable. Kids team a few years back had 10 receive D1 offers. At least 8 are starting on their current team. That is 1 Atlanta metro team. I am sure others in that age group had D1 offers so to say only 12 may not give an accurate picture in all age groups. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Oct 19, 2023 18:47:04 GMT -5
Don’t forget that coaches also have something called confirmation bias. Players 12 through 16-18 can become better than 1-11, but they won’t see it. There are also issues with powerful and influential parents who find ways to sway coaches on playing time. All kids are there to learn the game of soccer and to have fun. Even high school aged kids deserve some playing time, encouragement and opportunity to SHOW ON THE FIELD how much they have learned. The DA days of only 3-5 subs are over. H*ll even the pros get 5-6 subs depending on the type of game. By the time u13/14 comes around, the top players are playing on the top teams on the strongest clubs. The players know who the best players are. The top 50 in the state are known. Like anything, there are players who are just better. The very best teams get better by improving their subs as players 12 - 16 provide good minutes. This is something that you say all of the time, but my experience has been that this is not true. Maybe a few years ago this was true but now there are a lot of kids that are dropping out. There are a lot of kids that are getting injured and come back weaker, far weaker than they used to be. There are coaches who continue to keep the same players year after year after year and these kids have gotten complacent and are not as good at U17 and U19 as they were at U15. The top 5 or 6 players on some teams and the top 2-4 on other teams, maybe, possibly the same junior and senior year as they were freshmen and sophomore years. We will just have to agree to disagree. From what I remember your kid(s) are done, right? Already later years of college? I know the classes of 23 and 24 really well on the girls side. Best 50 at U15 vs U19 in Georgia probably had 40-50% turnover. I agree that teams do get better by improving players 12-16/18. However if you play your own players a little more that will help them too. After all you should be coaching and developing your entire team. I am not saying play them half of the game at U16 but less than 20-30 minutes is wrong in a pay to play system. Makes sense if it is free, but not in our broken system. |
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Post by atlnoleg on Oct 20, 2023 8:29:57 GMT -5
Don’t forget that coaches also have something called confirmation bias. Players 12 through 16-18 can become better than 1-11, but they won’t see it. There are also issues with powerful and influential parents who find ways to sway coaches on playing time. All kids are there to learn the game of soccer and to have fun. Even high school aged kids deserve some playing time, encouragement and opportunity to SHOW ON THE FIELD how much they have learned. The DA days of only 3-5 subs are over. H*ll even the pros get 5-6 subs depending on the type of game. By the time u13/14 comes around, the top players are playing on the top teams on the strongest clubs. The players know who the best players are. The top 50 in the state are known. Like anything, there are players who are just better. The very best teams get better by improving their subs as players 12 - 16 provide good minutes. This paints a very bleak picture for any kid who hasn't hit puberty by 13--which is probably about half of them on the boys side at least. |
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Post by thatonekeeper28 on Nov 28, 2023 7:57:16 GMT -5
When you're younger, I think that playing time is needed, but once you reach ages like U15 or U16, the best player should play, if you don't like it, get better. So, by your reasoning, players 12 through whatever should never play in a game unless there is an injury or one of the starters misses a game for some reason. Of course, the club will still expect to be paid the full amount and players 12 through whatever will still need to travel to every game in case there is an injury, right? Good luck with that … holy crap I was just sharing an opinion I didn't need an essay in return. The crappy kids should stay on the bench, whatever is best for the team. Don't be mad because you are one of those kids. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 28, 2023 9:13:32 GMT -5
When you're younger, I think that playing time is needed, but once you reach ages like U15 or U16, the best player should play, if you don't like it, get better. So, by your reasoning, players 12 through whatever should never play in a game unless there is an injury or one of the starters misses a game for some reason. Of course, the club will still expect to be paid the full amount and players 12 through whatever will still need to travel to every game in case there is an injury, right? Good luck with that … holy crap I was just sharing an opinion I didn't need an essay in return. The crappy kids should stay on the bench, whatever is best for the team. Don't be mad because you are one of those kids. Why be a troll and an a$$hat and dredge up an old post with that comment. It added no value to the discussion. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Nov 28, 2023 9:28:57 GMT -5
When you're younger, I think that playing time is needed, but once you reach ages like U15 or U16, the best player should play, if you don't like it, get better. 100% agree with you on this one. Unfortunately with the little ones it's sometimes hard for parents to hear. However if you want to play on a high level team the sooner players and parents figure this out the better. Since this thread is about playing time I'll add all the craziness I've encountered. My kid started playing at 3yrs old + quickly worked her way onto every top team at 5 she was asked to play on a "academy" / competitive team. The coach on that team loved being schmoozed up by parents. I thought it was stupid + wouldn't participate. At the end of the season my kid who scored most of the goals was cut. (as a 1st grader in school) We continued playing on the B team + met a bunch of very nice parents and coaches. After a year on B team + lighting up every team the coach that booted my kid asked her back on the team. When we went back it was the same schmooze the coach scene but at least this time when I didn't participate it didn't hurt my kid. The next coach was really good but also really corrupt. He ran privates on the side for both players on other teams or with his own players. At first this was no big deal. But after a while he started bringing on parents with big money + was coaching them for several hours a week outside of practice at $100 an hour. If you wanted playtime or a certain position all you had to do is pay him for privates. Once parents figured put what was going on the team immediately started to lose because the wrong players were on the field in the wrong positions. We never participated in the privates. It was hard to watch my kid missing out on minutes when things outside of her control were determining who played. Fastforward to u14 and a new parent BS move has popped up. Our new coach has been very fair with minutes distributing them very equally. However he's begun to define a starting lineup and the second lineup. (Both get equal minutes) The second lineup parents tried to gang up as a group + say that if they didn't get to start they as a group would like to know so they don't need to attend that game + made the team manager tell the coach so he wouldn't know where it came from. Everyone saw through the veiled threat + the DOC quickly made a statement to the whole team about playing time and starts being earned. It's so ridiculous that a group of 2nd stringers would try to hold the team hostage over not getting to start. Did they really think the coach won't eventually figure out who the ringleaders were? As you can see sometimes coaches are bad but often parents are right there with them. Here's a couple more little tidbits of info. Most of the players of the parents that cause all the problems will quit as you get older. Also, the coaches get better as players get older + they've seen all the parent BS before so they're better equipped to keep the team focused on wins vs sideline nonsense. |
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Post by jamsoccer on Nov 28, 2023 10:27:59 GMT -5
When you're younger, I think that playing time is needed, but once you reach ages like U15 or U16, the best player should play, if you don't like it, get better. 100% agree with you on this one. Unfortunately with the little ones it's sometimes hard for parents to hear. However if you want to play on a high level team the sooner players and parents figure this out the better. Since this thread is about playing time I'll add all the craziness I've encountered. My kid started playing at 3yrs old + quickly worked her way onto every top team at 5 she was asked to play on a "academy" / competitive team. The coach on that team loved being schmoozed up by parents. I thought it was stupid + wouldn't participate. At the end of the season my kid who scored most of the goals was cut. (as a 1st grader in school) We continued playing on the B team + met a bunch of very nice parents and coaches. After a year on B team + lighting up every team the coach that booted my kid asked her back on the team. When we went back it was the same schmooze the coach scene but at least this time when I didn't participate it didn't hurt my kid. The next coach was really good but also really corrupt. He ran privates on the side for both players on other teams or with his own players. At first this was no big deal. But after a while he started bringing on parents with big money + was coaching them for several hours a week outside of practice at $100 an hour. If you wanted playtime or a certain position all you had to do is pay him for privates. Once parents figured put what was going on the team immediately started to lose because the wrong players were on the field in the wrong positions. We never participated in the privates. It was hard to watch my kid missing out on minutes when things outside of her control were determining who played. Fastforward to u14 and a new parent BS move has popped up. Our new coach has been very fair with minutes distributing them very equally. However he's begun to define a starting lineup and the second lineup. (Both get equal minutes) The second lineup parents tried to gang up as a group + say that if they didn't get to start they as a group would like to know so they don't need to attend that game + made the team manager tell the coach so he wouldn't know where it came from. Everyone saw through the veiled threat + the DOC quickly made a statement to the whole team about playing time and starts being earned. It's so ridiculous that a group of 2nd stringers would try to hold the team hostage over not getting to start. Did they really think the coach won't eventually figure out who the ringleaders were? As you can see sometimes coaches are bad but often parents are right there with them. Here's a couple more little tidbits of info. Most of the players of the parents that cause all the problems will quit as you get older. Also, the coaches get better as players get older + they've seen all the parent BS before so they're better equipped to keep the team focused on wins vs sideline nonsense. everything you said is true. I have to pushback on the last part- don’t think the parents get better or quit. i think they just get sneakier. it rubs off on their kids too and the kids do the brown nosing instead. my daughters are all happy where they play- two have graduated so v happy in college. but club is crazy when u think about it. had a third party (current pro) come to watch a game for fun. and he started questioning the coach’s decision making as far as subs. he has never seen the team play except for in the first half and by the second noticed and said the coach didn’t care about quality. of course he’s one opinion, blah, blah, blah, but it was interesting. of course then i noticed the same parents pulling the coach aside to chat. some of the players apparently brag (as much as you can brag?) about their text convos w coach. so i think the back door deals about playing change into individual battles and they leave the united front thing w the younger ages. edit: of course this is only one team so maybe ours is just bad lol |
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Post by lajolla39 on Nov 28, 2023 10:55:52 GMT -5
100% agree with you on this one. Unfortunately with the little ones it's sometimes hard for parents to hear. However if you want to play on a high level team the sooner players and parents figure this out the better. Since this thread is about playing time I'll add all the craziness I've encountered. My kid started playing at 3yrs old + quickly worked her way onto every top team at 5 she was asked to play on a "academy" / competitive team. The coach on that team loved being schmoozed up by parents. I thought it was stupid + wouldn't participate. At the end of the season my kid who scored most of the goals was cut. (as a 1st grader in school) We continued playing on the B team + met a bunch of very nice parents and coaches. After a year on B team + lighting up every team the coach that booted my kid asked her back on the team. When we went back it was the same schmooze the coach scene but at least this time when I didn't participate it didn't hurt my kid. The next coach was really good but also really corrupt. He ran privates on the side for both players on other teams or with his own players. At first this was no big deal. But after a while he started bringing on parents with big money + was coaching them for several hours a week outside of practice at $100 an hour. If you wanted playtime or a certain position all you had to do is pay him for privates. Once parents figured put what was going on the team immediately started to lose because the wrong players were on the field in the wrong positions. We never participated in the privates. It was hard to watch my kid missing out on minutes when things outside of her control were determining who played. Fastforward to u14 and a new parent BS move has popped up. Our new coach has been very fair with minutes distributing them very equally. However he's begun to define a starting lineup and the second lineup. (Both get equal minutes) The second lineup parents tried to gang up as a group + say that if they didn't get to start they as a group would like to know so they don't need to attend that game + made the team manager tell the coach so he wouldn't know where it came from. Everyone saw through the veiled threat + the DOC quickly made a statement to the whole team about playing time and starts being earned. It's so ridiculous that a group of 2nd stringers would try to hold the team hostage over not getting to start. Did they really think the coach won't eventually figure out who the ringleaders were? As you can see sometimes coaches are bad but often parents are right there with them. Here's a couple more little tidbits of info. Most of the players of the parents that cause all the problems will quit as you get older. Also, the coaches get better as players get older + they've seen all the parent BS before so they're better equipped to keep the team focused on wins vs sideline nonsense. everything you said is true. I have to pushback on the last part- don’t think the parents get better or quit. i think they just get sneakier. it rubs off on their kids too and the kids do the brown nosing instead. my daughters are all happy where they play- two have graduated so v happy in college. but club is crazy when u think about it. had a third party (current pro) come to watch a game for fun. and he started questioning the coach’s decision making as far as subs. he has never seen the team play except for in the first half and by the second noticed and said the coach didn’t care about quality. of course he’s one opinion, blah, blah, blah, but it was interesting. of course then i noticed the same parents pulling the coach aside to chat. some of the players apparently brag (as much as you can brag?) about their text convos w coach. so i think the back door deals about playing change into individual battles and they leave the united front thing w the younger ages. edit: of course this is only one team so maybe ours is just bad lol I'm not keen on youth players texting with the coach directly. But I do like that players vs patents are taking the initiative to speak with the coach about their future with the team. What does annoy me is after practice when patents swarm the coach to chat them up on their kids behalf. This should be when players can speak with the coach + discuss concerns. Snowplow parents are the worst. Instead of playing social games work with your kid outside of pracitce on getting better as a player. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 28, 2023 18:02:40 GMT -5
According to my last referee recertification, a coach texting 1:1 to player(s) should be reported to SafeSport.
There is an endless supply of stories about unethical coaches, players and parents - but there are actually a lot of coaches with integrity, too. Even some clubs where that is the standard.
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 29, 2023 8:24:08 GMT -5
According to my last referee recertification, a coach texting 1:1 to player(s) should be reported to SafeSport. There is an endless supply of stories about unethical coaches, players and parents - but there are actually a lot of coaches with integrity, too. Even some clubs where that is the standard. No no. We're allowed to text players 1:1 IF we are helping them transition without their parents' knowledge AND we use the right pronouns. Checking on injuries, confirming practice attendance or sending a training plan is not allowed. That's what I got from SafeSport. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 29, 2023 8:33:54 GMT -5
According to my last referee recertification, a coach texting 1:1 to player(s) should be reported to SafeSport. There is an endless supply of stories about unethical coaches, players and parents - but there are actually a lot of coaches with integrity, too. Even some clubs where that is the standard. No no. We're allowed to text players 1:1 IF we are helping them transition without their parents' knowledge AND we use the right pronouns. Checking on injuries, confirming practice attendance or sending a training plan is not allowed. That's what I got from SafeSport. LOL you trying to open up that can of worms again!  You aren't wrong though. Most coaches when my kids got older just used apps that also texted the parents at the same time like GroupMe etc... to communicate where everything had multiple people on it, which checks the boxes safesport was talking about being ok to do. As a former team manager I tried not to text a player directly either. i always included other players or parents if I could to cover my ass. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 29, 2023 13:02:51 GMT -5
According to my last referee recertification, a coach texting 1:1 to player(s) should be reported to SafeSport. There is an endless supply of stories about unethical coaches, players and parents - but there are actually a lot of coaches with integrity, too. Even some clubs where that is the standard. No no. We're allowed to text players 1:1 IF we are helping them transition without their parents' knowledge AND we use the right pronouns. Checking on injuries, confirming practice attendance or sending a training plan is not allowed. That's what I got from SafeSport. My pronouns are hee haw. |
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Post by bogan on Nov 29, 2023 20:55:13 GMT -5
No no. We're allowed to text players 1:1 IF we are helping them transition without their parents' knowledge AND we use the right pronouns. Checking on injuries, confirming practice attendance or sending a training plan is not allowed. That's what I got from SafeSport. My pronouns are hee haw. Mine are “Sire” and “Your Majesty”…🤣 |
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Post by thatonekeeper28 on Mar 5, 2024 11:12:38 GMT -5
According to my last referee recertification, a coach texting 1:1 to player(s) should be reported to SafeSport. There is an endless supply of stories about unethical coaches, players and parents - but there are actually a lot of coaches with integrity, too. Even some clubs where that is the standard. No no. We're allowed to text players 1:1 IF we are helping them transition without their parents' knowledge AND we use the right pronouns. Checking on injuries, confirming practice attendance or sending a training plan is not allowed. That's what I got from SafeSport. shouldn't you let the kids parents know if they are "transitioning"? seems very shady that you aren't letting them know if their kid is making a very important decision like that. |
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You aren't wrong though. Most coaches when my kids got older just used apps that also texted the parents at the same time like GroupMe etc... to communicate where everything had multiple people on it, which checks the boxes safesport was talking about being ok to do. As a former team manager I tried not to text a player directly either. i always included other players or parents if I could to cover my ass.
