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Post by mamampira on Sept 26, 2013 19:04:18 GMT -5
Why is it that some coaches try to force square pegs into round holes? You have a team with technically skilled, fast, aggressive players. But some coaches will dismiss all that and try to force them to play in a manner that is against their nature. Thereby diminishing their talent and advantage as a team reducing the team to an average team. Fast forward some players end u leaving the team. Most of exiting players make it to DA, ODP, RPL where there are now thriving. It would be nice to have a grading system for coaches. And I believe soccerpapi discussed in another thread.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 19:45:27 GMT -5
i'm assuming you are talking about an older age team? I hear ya, play to the strengths of your team, thats what the best and most successful coaches do at any level.
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Post by zizou on Sept 27, 2013 6:49:18 GMT -5
This is an interesting question. One with which I struggle periodically. I have come to following conclusions:
1. Doing anything at the highest level is hard, coaching included. How many really top level coaches are there? Or top level anythings for that matter? It takes hours of study, excellent problem solving skills, the ability to actually know and understand the strengths and limitations of each and every player. I have come to conclusion that in most instances the coaches are not being defiantly rigid, they are being rigid because this is all they know. Perhaps with further study they would be better at diagnosing the team, making adjustments before and during matches based on competition, and then could directly confront and implement solutions to problem in training. But maybe not. This is not a skill everyone possesses.
2. There are some brilliant coaches like Jose Mourinho who will do the square pegs round hole deal (at least he seems this way to me) but they make it work because of the power of their personalities and tactical acumen. Free Juan Mata (Public service announcement)! Anyway, at level of coach we are talking at club soccer, I doubt this is the issue. So I default to this is a really hard job to do well and the coach has limitations that they just cannot overcome. Open the checkbook if we want to get someone better.
3. Kids are resilient. They will play and have fun almost regardless (unless they are getting crushed match after match).
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Post by soccerpapi on Sept 27, 2013 16:12:52 GMT -5
Yes, a very interesting question. In addition to the previous responses...
I am curious to know what age group are these kids? You mentioned that the team is made up of kids who are "technically skilled, fast, and aggressive", do these attributes apply to every player on the team or a small percentage in specific positions?
In some cases, a Coach may be playing to a certain strength or weakness that may not be quite visible, he/she may be trying to make a tactical decision because of a particular opponent's strength or weakness, or may be trying to stay aligned with "club playing style and philosophy" if there is such a thing for your club/team.
In either case, I believe a Coach (while staying in line with its club philosophy/playing style - if one exists) should play to its players' strengths as well. Lastly, If you decide to take the same path that others on the team may have, talk to the Coach first, if not satisfied, talk to the DOC (ask about playing style, tactical decisions made in particular game and why, etc). There may be something that you may not have been aware of. Yes, would love to see a standard bearer or metric of measurements for Coaches and/or soccer CRCT for players to see if they are meeting the guidelines that the Club/GA Soccer/USSF set out as objectives to meet for that particular age group.
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Post by mamampira on Sept 27, 2013 19:14:28 GMT -5
i'm assuming you are talking about an older age team? I hear ya, play to the strengths of your team, thats what the best and most successful coaches do at any level. The age group was rising U15. |
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Post by mamampira on Sept 27, 2013 19:22:03 GMT -5
This is an interesting question. One with which I struggle periodically. I have come to following conclusions: 1. Doing anything at the highest level is hard, coaching included. How many really top level coaches are there? Or top level anythings for that matter? It takes hours of study, excellent problem solving skills, the ability to actually know and understand the strengths and limitations of each and every player. I have come to conclusion that in most instances the coaches are not being defiantly rigid, they are being rigid because this is all they know. Perhaps with further study they would be better at diagnosing the team, making adjustments before and during matches based on competition, and then could directly confront and implement solutions to problem in training. But maybe not. This is not a skill everyone possesses. 2. There are some brilliant coaches like Jose Mourinho who will do the square pegs round hole deal (at least he seems this way to me) but they make it work because of the power of their personalities and tactical acumen. Free Juan Mata (Public service announcement)! Anyway, at level of coach we are talking at club soccer, I doubt this is the issue. So I default to this is a really hard job to do well and the coach has limitations that they just cannot overcome. Open the checkbook if we want to get someone better. 3. Kids are resilient. They will play and have fun almost regardless (unless they are getting crushed match after match). 1. "...they are being rigid because this is all they know." BINGO! 2. When Jose first came to Chelsea he was very offensive minded. He played with two outstanding wide men in Duff and Robben. He was strong in the middle with Makelele. For that reason I would not say he fit the pegs into holes. He played to the strengths on the team. Juan Mata is a bit of a light attacking mid....he wants him stronger mentally. Jose M. believes in very mentally strong players. Yes he had a lot of assists, more than anyone else on the team, but not mentally strong. But give him time, if he is still on the team, he will be a far stronger player. Bear in mind that this is the same coach that turned Samuel Eto into an outstanding defensive forward during Inter's championship league conquering year. He had him come back to play defense at tactical times. So to a certain degree his overall formula might seem light that, but I think he looks for weaknesses on the team and takes care of those weaknesses, makes the adjustments. At the club level, coaches should be able to spot talent and utilize the talent and not try and kill the joy of the game for the boys/girls. Coaching matters. 3. True dat. |
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Post by mamampira on Sept 27, 2013 19:24:52 GMT -5
Yes, a very interesting question. In addition to the previous responses... I am curious to know what age group are these kids? You mentioned that the team is made up of kids who are "technically skilled, fast, and aggressive", do these attributes apply to every player on the team or a small percentage in specific positions? In some cases, a Coach may be playing to a certain strength or weakness that may not be quite visible, he/she may be trying to make a tactical decision because of a particular opponent's strength or weakness, or may be trying to stay aligned with "club playing style and philosophy" if there is such a thing for your club/team. In either case, I believe a Coach (while staying in line with its club philosophy/playing style - if one exists) should play to its players' strengths as well. Lastly, If you decide to take the same path that others on the team may have, talk to the Coach first, if not satisfied, talk to the DOC (ask about playing style, tactical decisions made in particular game and why, etc). There may be something that you may not have been aware of. Yes, would love to see a standard bearer or metric of measurements for Coaches and/or soccer CRCT for players to see if they are meeting the guidelines that the Club/GA Soccer/USSF set out as objectives to meet for that particular age group. Pretty much every player on the team was technically skilled, some more than others. The club playing style philosophy at the U14-U15 age group should not be of great concern. Because the clubs are constantly recruiting. And they do not recruit based on their so-called philosophy. They recruit and try and mold them into their philosophy regardless whether or not it is good for the player. |
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Post by soccertoo on Sept 29, 2013 14:06:21 GMT -5
Coaches sometimes spout a philosophy, but don't follow that philosophy in games.
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Post by soccerpapi on Oct 1, 2013 19:02:46 GMT -5
soccertoo, you are absolutely correct! I wonder how many Coaches/Teams actually follow thru on so-called "philosophy" and put that above winning at all cost? Also, how many claim a "playing style" that is visible throughout age groups at a particular club program? Perhaps, a topic for a whole separate thread for this. It goes back to the lack of "accountability" in my previous post of how we can improve overall in the World. gasoccerforum.freeforums.net/thread/64/ways-game-world-class-levelIn what "mamampira" has described, with such a talented rising U15 group, perhaps, there are some valid Coaching concerns.. IMO, such Coaches should be measured/ID'd early, be put on improvement plan, moved to appropriate age group, or do something that's better fit. |
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