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Post by egbbfb03 on Nov 26, 2023 21:32:58 GMT -5
We took our kid to a college ID camp recently. (Just wanted him to have the experience).
At the end the kids and parents had a "recruiting seminar" where to coaches talked and answered questions. The coach doing most of the speaking is a D2 coach in the SE. Was telling the kids to be proactive in their recruitment and to email,send video ,etc to coaches. Said 90% of recruiting is on the kids.
On the way home we look at the roster of this D2 school and it is literally 90% International. England, Spain, France, etc.....I understand this is the current state of college soccer but you just have to laugh!!
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Post by rifle on Nov 27, 2023 7:29:05 GMT -5
I watched two NCAA Div 1 games yesterday on ESPN+. Lots of players from across the pond. The twenty one year old “kids” from Europe must have better email skills!
Unrelated: one ESPN+ announcer for the Clemson-New Hampshire game repeatedly said “moving the puck” and “in the crease”. To his credit, he did have a proper radio voice and he skillfully avoided saying high sticking…
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Post by bogan on Nov 27, 2023 7:47:32 GMT -5
…for the men, generally (not talking to the upper 2%) it’s a fugazi.
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 27, 2023 9:43:21 GMT -5
Its really, really bad.
No only are they bringing them in, the colleges are giving a large amount of money.
So many kids in the portal, so many internationals. MLS Next Academy, ECNL showcase. So really only 1 or 2 showcases the coaches will go to. HUNDREDS of emails. So you have to figure out a way to stand out.
We emailed, texted, called etc... for 1.5 years. Plus was at an MLS Academy. Its very hard. Finally ended up at a D1
Good luck on the search. Keep pushing.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 27, 2023 12:03:04 GMT -5
Its really, really bad. No only are they bringing them in, the colleges are giving a large amount of money. So many kids in the portal, so many internationals. MLS Next Academy, ECNL showcase. So really only 1 or 2 showcases the coaches will go to. HUNDREDS of emails. So you have to figure out a way to stand out. We emailed, texted, called etc... for 1.5 years. Plus was at an MLS Academy. Its very hard. Finally ended up at a D1 Good luck on the search. Keep pushing. Is he happy? D1 is nice, but was it the right fit? I know your player was a great one at his academy. I just hope he is enjoying it! For all of those out there this is really 💯 a different recruiting game boys v girls. My kid did put it out there and had contact with several D1 schools and came very close to the dream school before a debacle happened on the club front AND the long time head coach of that school retired. My kid decided not to pursue college soccer and played a lower level club team for fun as a senior. We sent no further emails. No tweets. But couldn’t figure out how to take down the free NCSA profile. Senior year was FLOODED with offers from D2, D3, NAIA schools many of whose were in the top 10 nationally at their level. These programs never saw my kid in person that we know of (maybe they were at the showcases sophomore and junior year or watching them online), they never spoke personally to my kid. Money thrown at us. Even the school that my kid chose to attend asked her to play and she said no thanks. My point is that if you put it out there early people see it. Some of those early tweets got thousands of views as did the NCSA profile. And for girls they need players at all levels below D1 so badly that they email even days before classes start. Build their name early. I see people doing it already with 2028 and 2029 grads. It works better for girls but it will work for boys too. And if they want to play more than anything they will find a home. If they decide to give it up then there will be many people that say your kid wasted their talent. My kid gets told that a lot. I hope for an eventual return to the game somehow. Maybe they will coach and be a better coach than the jerks that helped to finally kill the joy. |
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Post by allthingsoccer on Nov 27, 2023 12:55:40 GMT -5
Its really, really bad. No only are they bringing them in, the colleges are giving a large amount of money. So many kids in the portal, so many internationals. MLS Next Academy, ECNL showcase. So really only 1 or 2 showcases the coaches will go to. HUNDREDS of emails. So you have to figure out a way to stand out. We emailed, texted, called etc... for 1.5 years. Plus was at an MLS Academy. Its very hard. Finally ended up at a D1 Good luck on the search. Keep pushing. Is he happy? D1 is nice, but was it the right fit? I know your player was a great one at his academy. I just hope he is enjoying it! For all of those out there this is really 💯 a different recruiting game boys v girls. My kid did put it out there and had contact with several D1 schools and came very close to the dream school before a debacle happened on the club front AND the long time head coach of that school retired. My kid decided not to pursue college soccer and played a lower level club team for fun as a senior. We sent no further emails. No tweets. But couldn’t figure out how to take down the free NCSA profile. Senior year was FLOODED with offers from D2, D3, NAIA schools many of whose were in the top 10 nationally at their level. These programs never saw my kid in person that we know of (maybe they were at the showcases sophomore and junior year or watching them online), they never spoke personally to my kid. Money thrown at us. Even the school that my kid chose to attend asked her to play and she said no thanks. My point is that if you put it out there early people see it. Some of those early tweets got thousands of views as did the NCSA profile. And for girls they need players at all levels below D1 so badly that they email even days before classes start. Build their name early. I see people doing it already with 2028 and 2029 grads. It works better for girls but it will work for boys too. And if they want to play more than anything they will find a home. If they decide to give it up then there will be many people that say your kid wasted their talent. My kid gets told that a lot. I hope for an eventual return to the game somehow. Maybe they will coach and be a better coach than the jerks that helped to finally kill the joy. Yes he's really happy. He had a few D2/D3 choices but decided to go with a smaller D1. But 1st year was very hard. Lots of promises that weren't kept. Started 1 game and played a few mins here / there. His 2nd year big difference. Started half the season. Looking for full season next year. |
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Post by soccerlegacy on Nov 27, 2023 16:22:04 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem fair to have all these internationals on college teams. I get that it should be an option for colleges, but I debate whether there should be a limit on the number of spots they can take? MLS has a set number of international roster spots (my understanding), the state of Georgia makes it easier harder for out of state students to attend college in Georgia, to help keep students closer to home... could they not make a rule or law that protects homegrown players? It just doesn't seem right to me... anyway, I digress.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Nov 27, 2023 17:33:02 GMT -5
It really doesn't seem fair to have all these internationals on college teams. I get that it should be an option for colleges, but I debate whether there should be a limit on the number of spots they can take? MLS has a set number of international roster spots (my understanding), the state of Georgia makes it easier harder for out of state students to attend college in Georgia, to help keep students closer to home... could they not make a rule or law that protects homegrown players? It just doesn't seem right to me... anyway, I digress. Colleges follow NCAA rules with regards to team rosters. Please remember the scholarship limits with soccer with 14 on the womens side, 9 on the mens. This may impact some rosters with regards to international players. As I have mentioned many times, player academics make a huge impact on if a player gets recruited. Strong academic players get academic monies rather than a coach having to use part of the 9 scholarships which are divided amongst a roster of 35 to 40 players, a typical soccer roster. And not ALL rosters are dominated by only international players. I know one top D1 university who has recently won a championship has been mentioned but do know they offer US players too. I can verify that as kid got the offer and grew up playing at a Big 5 ECNL club. It comes down to player ability and again academics. Good luck to those wanting to play beyond club and high school. |
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Post by blu on Nov 29, 2023 8:43:49 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of talk about foreign players recently (on the men's side). It's not the foreign players but moreso the ages in my opinion. You've got 18-19 year old MLS Next and ECNL kids competing with 23 year old international players. Need to fix the age issue and NCAA rules regarding eligibility.
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Post by lajolla39 on Nov 29, 2023 9:43:50 GMT -5
If you're not a private school this means the college is being funded by tax dollars in some way shape or form.
If you receive tax dollars American players should be prioritized over foreign players.
Or I should get an option to not pay a certain percentage of my taxes.
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Post by missionimpossible on Nov 29, 2023 12:16:42 GMT -5
If you're not a private school this means the college is being funded by tax dollars in some way shape or form. If you receive tax dollars American players should be prioritized over foreign players. Or I should get an option to not pay a certain percentage of my taxes. In general, think all schools should have an athletic team that’s reflective of where their student body is from. For example, in the case of UGA. They don’t have a mens team but if 90% of your student body is from Georgia, 5% are from neighboring and other regional states, and 4.999% are from other states, then the rosters should try to reflect that. Also, like everything else the top 10 or 15-percent of international players are really good, have played in pro systems, and 3-4 years older. However, IMO 85% are overrated + a lot are not very good students. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 29, 2023 13:04:51 GMT -5
If you're not a private school this means the college is being funded by tax dollars in some way shape or form. If you receive tax dollars American players should be prioritized over foreign players. Or I should get an option to not pay a certain percentage of my taxes. In general, think all schools should have an athletic team that’s reflective of where their student body is from. For example, in the case of UGA. They don’t have a mens team but if 90% of your student body is from Georgia, 5% are from neighboring and other regional states, and 4.999% are from other states, then the rosters should try to reflect that. Also, like everything else the top 10 or 15-percent of international players are really good, have played in pro systems, and 3-4 years older. However, IMO 85% are overrated + a lot are not very good students. sounds a lot like the Atlanta United South American pipeline… |
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Post by rifle on Nov 29, 2023 13:05:57 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of talk about foreign players recently (on the men's side). It's not the foreign players but moreso the ages in my opinion. You've got 18-19 year old MLS Next and ECNL kids competing with 23 year old international players. Need to fix the age issue and NCAA rules regarding eligibility. So a kid serves their country for a few years and wants to go to college. Do you make an exception or tell them “nope”? |
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Post by newposter1 on Nov 29, 2023 13:32:38 GMT -5
If you're not a private school this means the college is being funded by tax dollars in some way shape or form. If you receive tax dollars American players should be prioritized over foreign players. Or I should get an option to not pay a certain percentage of my taxes. In general, think all schools should have an athletic team that’s reflective of where their student body is from. For example, in the case of UGA. They don’t have a mens team but if 90% of your student body is from Georgia, 5% are from neighboring and other regional states, and 4.999% are from other states, then the rosters should try to reflect that. Also, like everything else the top 10 or 15-percent of international players are really good, have played in pro systems, and 3-4 years older. However, IMO 85% are overrated + a lot are not very good students. I am guessing you mean this should apply to all sports? I suggest you go look at the UGA football roster. Their home states are nowhere close to those percentages. In a rough count, I saw 17 who are not from Georgia (in state) or Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina or Alabama (adjoining states). I am sure the Bulldog fans are ok with the roster being 90%, 5% and 5%... |
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Post by newposter1 on Nov 29, 2023 13:34:49 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of talk about foreign players recently (on the men's side). It's not the foreign players but moreso the ages in my opinion. You've got 18-19 year old MLS Next and ECNL kids competing with 23 year old international players. Need to fix the age issue and NCAA rules regarding eligibility. So a kid serves their country for a few years and wants to go to college. Do you make an exception or tell them “nope”? As with everything else, quotas do not work as they rely on generalizations and do not rely on INDIVIDUAL performance. |
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Post by missionimpossible on Nov 29, 2023 13:39:11 GMT -5
In general, think all schools should have an athletic team that’s reflective of where their student body is from. For example, in the case of UGA. They don’t have a mens team but if 90% of your student body is from Georgia, 5% are from neighboring and other regional states, and 4.999% are from other states, then the rosters should try to reflect that. Also, like everything else the top 10 or 15-percent of international players are really good, have played in pro systems, and 3-4 years older. However, IMO 85% are overrated + a lot are not very good students. I am guessing you mean this should apply to all sports? I suggest you go look at the UGA football roster. Their home states are nowhere close to those percentages. In a rough count, I saw 17 who are not from Georgia (in state) or Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina or Alabama (adjoining states). I am sure the Bulldog fans are ok with the roster being 90%, 5% and 5%... How many international kids are on there? |
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Post by blu on Nov 29, 2023 14:20:06 GMT -5
I've been seeing a lot of talk about foreign players recently (on the men's side). It's not the foreign players but moreso the ages in my opinion. You've got 18-19 year old MLS Next and ECNL kids competing with 23 year old international players. Need to fix the age issue and NCAA rules regarding eligibility. So a kid serves their country for a few years and wants to go to college. Do you make an exception or tell them “nope”? I'm not pretending to have the answers here but I think your scenario would be pretty rare and could be addressed with exceptions. |
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Post by mamadona on Nov 29, 2023 14:50:48 GMT -5
I am guessing you mean this should apply to all sports? I suggest you go look at the UGA football roster. Their home states are nowhere close to those percentages. In a rough count, I saw 17 who are not from Georgia (in state) or Florida, Tennessee, South Carolina or Alabama (adjoining states). I am sure the Bulldog fans are ok with the roster being 90%, 5% and 5%... How many international kids are on there? International? Playing football? Isn't the US the only country that plays this dumb sport?  |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Nov 29, 2023 15:53:10 GMT -5
How many international kids are on there? International? Playing football? Isn't the US the only country that plays this dumb sport? Surprisingly, no. Of course Canada has played it for years. TV commentator Jesse Palmer is a former Florida Gator and Canadian. Japan has played American football for almost 100 years. Interestingly and related to soccer Real Madrid president Perez is concerned about the increasing popularity of American sports in Europe. The NFL sure is putting in a lot of effort to get into that market. |
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Post by rifle on Nov 29, 2023 17:34:34 GMT -5
How many international kids are on there? International? Playing football? Isn't the US the only country that plays this dumb sport? The irony is Clemson pays for football scholarships by accepting a TON of out of state students. Good business decision if willing suckers (myself included at one point) pay more… |
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Post by missionimpossible on Nov 29, 2023 19:10:21 GMT -5
Yeah I’m just not big on the whole international player thing or squads that are trying to build their program with them. Most of these players are being signed without coaches ever actually seeing them play in person. At least that seems to be the case most of the time from the frank conversations we had with coaches when we were going through the process. It was we have a guy we trust which is probably some sort or international recruiting service or something? Its a real crap shoot and totally opposite of what college coaches tell an American player. “we need to get you on campus to see you play at our ID camp”. So maybe your 18 year old boy is a real game changer and gets an offer. If the squad is heavy on internationals prepare for scholarships and playing time to be heavily skewed … if he even gets any as there is not much scholarship money to go around. Also, there seems to be unspoken expectations coming in with some international players. And a stronger commitment to play these players on the part of the coaches while US players are on a much shorter leash, if they’re even given the opportunity outside of practice. An international player may frankly stink it up on the field, lose composure, get multiple red cards, mouth off to coaches, come in out of shape, skip practice, etc and still be afforded more opportunity than a gritty top US kid that can tear it up in practice. So that’s frankly the reality of it.
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Post by atlnoleg on Nov 30, 2023 8:14:48 GMT -5
International? Playing football? Isn't the US the only country that plays this dumb sport? The irony is Clemson pays for football scholarships by accepting a TON of out of state students. Good business decision if willing suckers (myself included at one point) pay more… I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football scholarships--and I'd guess most athletic scholarships--are funded by donations to the school's booster organizations. I don't think the money comes from tuition collected by out of state students. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Nov 30, 2023 14:47:32 GMT -5
The irony is Clemson pays for football scholarships by accepting a TON of out of state students. Good business decision if willing suckers (myself included at one point) pay more… I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure football scholarships--and I'd guess most athletic scholarships--are funded by donations to the school's booster organizations. I don't think the money comes from tuition collected by out of state students. Here is good info on who funds athletic scholarships. Most is funded by the college with some additional by scholarships set up by private individuals. www.debt.org/students/athletic-scholarships/#:~:text=While%20most%20scholarship%20money%20comes,a%20specific%20sport%20or%20cause. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Nov 30, 2023 14:47:54 GMT -5
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