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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2014 7:59:32 GMT -5
interesting answer from Jill Ellis. The question states "a big difference is the ECNL is age pure..." does that mean ecnl doesn't allow playups? SA: On the boys side, there’s the U.S. Soccer Development Academy whereas U.S. Club Soccer’s ECNL fills the role for the elite on the girls side. A big difference is the ECNL is age pure. … JILL ELLIS: For development purposes, we need our better players playing up. It can’t just be about having ownership of a team and wanting to win a championship. For special players, it has to be what’s best for their development. It sometimes means the U-15 coach letting go of their best players to play up. I’d love to see clubs have events where they put all their top players together, where a 15-year-old is playing with 18-year-olds, because many of them can do it.www.socceramerica.com/article/61040/jill-ellis-players-like-to-problem-solve-qa-par.htmlopinions? i get it for your best of the best, those with national team potential. but seems like an odd response to me. maybe its because the question wasn't even a question? |
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Post by jash on Oct 17, 2014 8:47:11 GMT -5
At that age play-ups make a lot more sense, because the difference in physical maturity is no longer as pronounced. Playing a U10 up 3 age groups would probably not be good, unless we're talking about a freakishly early bloomer, physically. But play-ups do make sense if your playing-up player is going to be one of the best at the higher age group.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 17, 2014 9:00:12 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Jash...at a younger age, 1 age play up is plenty...but once everyone is done growing then the difference is not as noticeable
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2014 9:40:25 GMT -5
how about the question before - i can't imagine she can put a positive spin on our u-20 and u-17s in their most recent world cups.
the u20s isn't a big deal (neither really is to be honest), but the u17s not qualifying is. shes seems to harp on the "development process". has she outlined somewhere what she believes this development process is?
again, in my opinion, i don't think its a development issue, i think its a player identification issue and it starts at your club. i've seen it too often, quality kids being left behind and never given a fair chance on a top team. its not easy for the late bloomer, the girl/boy that progressively gets better and better every year and continues to gain confidence and hone their ball skills.
SA: Should there be concerned about the USA falling in the quarterfinals of this year's U-20 World Cup (on a penalty kick tiebreaker to North Korea) and the U-17s failing to qualify for the World Cup?
JILL ELLIS: There’s always reflection. We have to continue to invest and look at our development process and I think everybody would agree with that. I also don’t think it’s a reason to panic. There are good players coming through our ranks.
I think for me it’s a matter of continuing the process. Our U-17s didn’t qualify but with some tremendous players who going to come through and probably make our full team.
We want to win, of course, at every level. But we also have to make sure the development piece box is checked.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 17, 2014 9:46:27 GMT -5
So what do you think they should be doing differently as an identification process?? they already hold numerous national training centers every month. Georgia for one has one every month for the girls and almost every month for the boys.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2014 11:38:03 GMT -5
i'm not as savvy as others when it comes to this higher level playing, my kids are mostly still to young to not worry about it.
i only know a few kids that were ever invited to the training centers, and to be honest, i always shook my head "why them vs player YYYYY". I'm assuming the club has to recommend the kid.
somewhere "we" had mentioned involving player identification at each level, athena/classic etc, each game, opposing coaches identify X players as the top etc.
but, that's where i'm clueless are players identified (besides the super super stars!) at these training centers vs ecnl showcase events for example?
i'm thinking also on the boys side, if a coach is at a non -DA club in the state, and he has superstar player playing u14 or u16, is he pushing for that kid to move to a DA club for more exposure and identification?
Its just hard for me to think about it with the girls, because for the boys you have a US endorsed program where you can constantly see and evaluate some of your top players.
Thats why i would have liked the original question to have been answered about ecnl and DA by JA.
i think sometimes, the issue is everyone is trying to field a team of superstars, and that isn't necessary, you need kids that buy into a system and want to play as a team. i think the modern game is about passing, quick touches and movement off the ball.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 17, 2014 11:52:33 GMT -5
and i guess age pure, is --- high school soccer without the high school. club based high school soccer......wait maybe that's the answer......
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 17, 2014 15:25:16 GMT -5
To go to the Training Centers, yes you have to be recommended by your club coach or your ODP coach. I know of a few parents that have asked their coaches to recommend their kids...its up to the coach if they want to or not I guess. They invite about 40 girls/boys and then if they like you, you get an invite to the next one if youre not what youre looking for then you probably wont get invited to that cycle, you can see less and less kids being invited every month. Doesn't mean you wont get to go back again, coaches can recommend you again...or they can decide to invite them again in the future since they have a file on the kids already
Theres also ID camps isn't there? Im not familiar with those but I know theyre out there
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Post by lovethegame on Oct 17, 2014 21:09:03 GMT -5
ECNL definetly allows play ups. Actaully, players can play play on any age appropriate ECNL team on any given day. They are rostered with the team they will play a majority of their games with, but can move up or back down provided they don't play more than one game a day or play in both age groups against the same club in a particular series. We have girls playing up at our club. Most just a year. It's a special player that can play up more than one year in ECNL. The younger players just don't have the size and strength. They may have the technical ability, but they just don't have the girth that the older players have. So, when I think of a 15 year old playing with 18 year olds, I think of a much leaner player playing against an older girl with muscle mass. At 15, a lot of girls are pretty close to as tall as they will get, but they aren't as muscular and big. But, I would imagine Jill Ellis is talking of that special player.
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