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Post by soccerparentx on Jan 23, 2024 11:58:18 GMT -5
This may be in a previous thread. Is there substance to any one of the GA ECNL clubs getting additional teams for next year?
Or better yet, are any of ECNL clubs planning to defect to MLS Next?
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Post by datrain on Jan 23, 2024 13:11:35 GMT -5
Where are you hearing/reading this?
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Post by soccerlegacy on Jan 23, 2024 13:40:07 GMT -5
Is this on the boys or girls side. They each have unique conference setups? I'm guessing boys because you mentioned MLS Next??
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 23, 2024 19:02:05 GMT -5
If you look at boys ECRL results, no club really merits getting a second team. NASA has 3 teams at top of RL but the other 3 age groups are not very good. GSA is similar. CESA is also similar. But no club is dominating RL across age groups to make a compelling argument.
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Post by atlnoleg on Jan 24, 2024 8:34:21 GMT -5
If you look at boys ECRL results, no club really merits getting a second team. NASA has 3 teams at top of RL but the other 3 age groups are not very good. GSA is similar. CESA is also similar. But no club is dominating RL across age groups to make a compelling argument. If you look at any league's results it's hard to justify teams being there from one year to the next. There are ECNL teams that have been at or near the bottom of the table years on end and ECNL-R teams that have been at or near the top more often than not. It's just a crappy system. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 24, 2024 9:38:12 GMT -5
If you look at boys ECRL results, no club really merits getting a second team. NASA has 3 teams at top of RL but the other 3 age groups are not very good. GSA is similar. CESA is also similar. But no club is dominating RL across age groups to make a compelling argument. If you look at any league's results it's hard to justify teams being there from one year to the next. There are ECNL teams that have been at or near the bottom of the table years on end and ECNL-R teams that have been at or near the top more often than not. It's just a crappy system. No disagreement there. But that was not the question. The question was about other clubs getting a 2nd ECNL spot. |
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 24, 2024 9:58:17 GMT -5
Let's take NTH for example. The 2009 ECRL team has been to ECRL National Finals (last 8 teams in the country) each of the last 2 seasons and qualified for regionals again this year. They have also beaten a number of ECNL teams and played other ECNL really close games. They would finish middle of the pack in SE ECNL and likely qualify for playoffs particularly if placed in the Western division opposite of its ECNL team, like was done with the 2 Concorde teams. That team undoubtedly would deserve to move up to ECNL.
However, ECNL is a club based competition so have to look at how each age group would fair.
2011--currently 6th in standings
2010--currently 3rd in standings
2008--3rd in division (7th overall)
2007--1st in division (1st overall)--qualified for Regional playoffs
2006--1st in division (3rd overall)--qualified for Regional Playoffs
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 24, 2024 10:30:08 GMT -5
Now, if you want to look at dropping teams from ECNL, the obvious answers are Chattanooga and FC Alliance, but then you would have no ECNL pathway in Tennessee except for Nashville. Here are how the clubs finished (current standings for 2011 and 2010 since they play in spring) across all age groups:
1. NTH--17.5, best 1, worst 6, avg. 2.92
2. Concorde Plat.--21, best 1, worst 9, avg 3.5
tie 3. GSA--25, best 3, worst 6, avg 4.17
tie 3. UFA--25, best 2, worst 7, avg 4.17
5. CESA--29, best 2, worst 10, avg. 4.83
6. Surf--41.5, best 4, worst 11 avg. 6.92
7. Tenn--44, best 1, worst 12, avg. 7.33
8. SC U--47.5, best 1.5, worst 11, avg. 7.92
9. Alabama--50, best 5, worst 13, avg. 8.33
10. AFU--50.5, best 3, worst 12, avg 8.41
11. Concorde Prem.--57, best 6, worst 12, avg 9.5
12. FC Alliance--68, best 8, worst 13. avg. 11.33
13. Chattanooga--70, best 9, worst 13, avg. 11.66
First number is finished based upon points per game.
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Jan 24, 2024 10:34:48 GMT -5
Let's take NTH for example. The 2009 ECRL team has been to ECRL National Finals (last 8 teams in the country) each of the last 2 seasons and qualified for regionals again this year. They have also beaten a number of ECNL teams and played other ECNL really close games. They would finish middle of the pack in SE ECNL and likely qualify for playoffs particularly if placed in the Western division opposite of its ECNL team, like was done with the 2 Concorde teams. That team undoubtedly would deserve to move up to ECNL. However, ECNL is a club based competition so have to look at how each age group would fair. 2011--currently 6th in standings 2010--currently 3rd in standings 2008--3rd in division (7th overall) 2007--1st in division (1st overall)--qualified for Regional playoffs 2006--1st in division (3rd overall)--qualified for Regional Playoffs You are 100% correct and NASA ECRL is a great example. And no, I do not have any kids on these teams. Their ECRL teams as ECRL would probably finish top half in many age groups, if you rebranded it to ECNL they would bring a few more players that are commuting to concord central and get even stronger. NASA benefits from a central location on the north side, lack of access for players in north / east / cobb / south Cherokee / Roswell area west of 400. That area would field a top five ECNL team every year if they opened it up. |
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Post by youthsoccerdad on Jan 24, 2024 10:44:47 GMT -5
Let's take NTH for example. The 2009 ECRL team has been to ECRL National Finals (last 8 teams in the country) each of the last 2 seasons and qualified for regionals again this year. They have also beaten a number of ECNL teams and played other ECNL really close games. They would finish middle of the pack in SE ECNL and likely qualify for playoffs particularly if placed in the Western division opposite of its ECNL team, like was done with the 2 Concorde teams. That team undoubtedly would deserve to move up to ECNL. However, ECNL is a club based competition so have to look at how each age group would fair. 2011--currently 6th in standings 2010--currently 3rd in standings 2008--3rd in division (7th overall) 2007--1st in division (1st overall)--qualified for Regional playoffs 2006--1st in division (3rd overall)--qualified for Regional Playoffs One other note on how strong and little access this area gives to top players, look at how well NASA performed this past year. This past year, NASA won SCCL (their third team) U13,U14,U16,U17 and U18. I am not going to share results, but these teams scrimmaged many of the ECRL teams listed above and we will just say the games were competitive(e.g. one goal wins, ties, one goal losses) in at least a couple of age groups. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 24, 2024 12:10:21 GMT -5
every league needs a team that you can count on getting points against.... Sat/Sunday games become a tough affair for sure, always nice to have a few 'easier' games on the schedule.
Chattanooga's issues to me are it's very inconsistent on who shows up to play. Some times, they have a full time, other times they are struggling to find 11 players. Seem to be much more dynamic player pool and variability from game to game, but could be wrong.
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Post by mightydawg on Jan 24, 2024 12:18:56 GMT -5
every league needs a team that you can count on getting points against.... Sat/Sunday games become a tough affair for sure, always nice to have a few 'easier' games on the schedule. Chattanooga's issues to me are it's very inconsistent on who shows up to play. Some times, they have a full time, other times they are struggling to find 11 players. Seem to be much more dynamic player pool and variability from game to game, but could be wrong. Problem is that the 2 easiest teams in the conference (Chattanooga and FC Alliance) are travel partners so get both in the same weekend. Also, is interesting that Chattanooga is the only club in the conference without ECRL. Chattanooga just does not have the player pool. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Jan 24, 2024 12:38:55 GMT -5
every league needs a team that you can count on getting points against.... Sat/Sunday games become a tough affair for sure, always nice to have a few 'easier' games on the schedule. Chattanooga's issues to me are it's very inconsistent on who shows up to play. Some times, they have a full time, other times they are struggling to find 11 players. Seem to be much more dynamic player pool and variability from game to game, but could be wrong. What do you do when 9x out of 10 you beat all the teams in your league? This is the problem with bottom feeder clubs/teams. It's much easier to field terrible teams in a top league than amazing teams in crappy leagues. Also over time other clubs will say screw it, I can make just as much $$$ fielding terrible teams as they can pushing for quatity. |
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Post by newguy on Jan 24, 2024 14:21:44 GMT -5
Let's take NTH for example. The 2009 ECRL team has been to ECRL National Finals (last 8 teams in the country) each of the last 2 seasons and qualified for regionals again this year. They have also beaten a number of ECNL teams and played other ECNL really close games. They would finish middle of the pack in SE ECNL and likely qualify for playoffs particularly if placed in the Western division opposite of its ECNL team, like was done with the 2 Concorde teams. That team undoubtedly would deserve to move up to ECNL. However, ECNL is a club based competition so have to look at how each age group would fair. 2011--currently 6th in standings 2010--currently 3rd in standings 2008--3rd in division (7th overall) 2007--1st in division (1st overall)--qualified for Regional playoffs 2006--1st in division (3rd overall)--qualified for Regional Playoffs I’ve heard second and third hand reasons why, but that 2011team is super thin on numbers. If they hadn’t lost several kids to other ecnl programs they would be near the top. Maybe those kids don’t leave if there is a second ecnl team where they were. |
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Post by soccerrivals on Jan 25, 2024 10:36:54 GMT -5
Let's take NTH for example. The 2009 ECRL team has been to ECRL National Finals (last 8 teams in the country) each of the last 2 seasons and qualified for regionals again this year. They have also beaten a number of ECNL teams and played other ECNL really close games. They would finish middle of the pack in SE ECNL and likely qualify for playoffs particularly if placed in the Western division opposite of its ECNL team, like was done with the 2 Concorde teams. That team undoubtedly would deserve to move up to ECNL. However, ECNL is a club based competition so have to look at how each age group would fair. 2011--currently 6th in standings 2010--currently 3rd in standings 2008--3rd in division (7th overall) 2007--1st in division (1st overall)--qualified for Regional playoffs 2006--1st in division (3rd overall)--qualified for Regional Playoffs I’ve heard second and third hand reasons why, but that 2011team is super thin on numbers. If they hadn’t lost several kids to other ecnl programs they would be near the top. Maybe those kids don’t leave if there is a second ecnl team where they were. It's because they didn't pick those kids so they left. If nasa had picked them, I heard they would have stayed. So it's mostly the club's choice to have more fresh players coming from other clubs. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jan 25, 2024 12:12:38 GMT -5
If we are not going to have pro/rel and instead choose to stay with the club-based leagues, then I don't think anyone else should get a second team. CF was an anomaly based on the infighting between the ECNL and our venerable USSF. They recognized an opportunity and took advantage of it...
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