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Post by bogan on Feb 20, 2024 7:26:11 GMT -5
By Phillip Burns
“From my experience I’ve noticed the huge difference between youth football development in USA and the UK is the cost for the parents ,,players , clubs
US - lack of affordable , Availble pitches
Uk local gov owned and subsidised
US - officials , 3 paid refs per game for kids 6 and upwards !!! Paid well too
Uk - usually one ref with each club providing an assistant
US - players kits and training kits , branded and expensive
UK - match kit provided due to sponsorship , use own training kit
US- paid coaches especially foreign coaches like I was
UK - volunteers , due to expanded knowledge of game from many ex players who’s kids play for that said team
US - short league season , 12 games or so
UK - normal season 20/30 games plus one county cup
US - tournaments 11 a side numerous , costly to play in , stay at and get to
UK - 2/3 end of season 5 a side tournament £50 per team to play in , for fun
US - Ranking points for every game and tournament , incentivising win win win at all costs
UK - No ranking points , obviously play to win but not at the cost of players injuries
US - development of players , yes at a cost , play for the best local clubs . That will cost more because these better clubs have more experienced coaches , facilities etch
UK - development of players , they go to pro club academies first free training . The clubs are funded by the club who are looking to develop their own players who have a pathway to the pro game
Just a few points off topic some yes , but issues needed addressing !!”
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Post by darp on Feb 20, 2024 9:10:39 GMT -5
I get a lot of the sentiment there, but it's not like the US can do much about 90% of that.
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 10:27:45 GMT -5
In my view there's 2 main problems with Soccer in America.
1. Clubs able to be "non-profit"
2. Colleges with soccer teams
If you take these away (primarally #2) America soccer development would have evolved more like Europe.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 20, 2024 12:05:53 GMT -5
In my view there's 2 main problems with Soccer in America. 1. Clubs able to be "non-profit" 2. Colleges with soccer teams If you take these away (primarally #2) America soccer development would have evolved more like Europe. Sorry Not Sorry, but, I disagree with your assessment of #2. I'm going to need some explanation as to why you think that... |
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Post by futbolhero on Feb 20, 2024 13:16:12 GMT -5
In my view there's 2 main problems with Soccer in America. 1. Clubs able to be "non-profit" 2. Colleges with soccer teams If you take these away (primarally #2) America soccer development would have evolved more like Europe. There is not a deep rooted history of the sport in America to develop at the same pace of other countries. Almost like the blind leading the blinder and no one can question anything because they do not have the knowledge to do so. Training it also not equal across the board. Take the two Thompson sisters. I guarantee you I could find players locally that could outperform them given the access to the same coaching they have in California. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 13:28:06 GMT -5
In my view there's 2 main problems with Soccer in America. 1. Clubs able to be "non-profit" 2. Colleges with soccer teams If you take these away (primarally #2) America soccer development would have evolved more like Europe. There is not a deep rooted history of the sport in America to develop at the same pace of other countries. Almost like the blind leading the blinder and no one can question anything because they do not have the knowledge to do so. Training it also not equal across the board. Take the two Thompson sisters. I guarantee you I could find players locally that could outperform them given the access to the same coaching they have in California. I agree with you. Nothing to debate. However, I do believe America would be further down the development path if college soccer wasn't involved in the equation. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 20, 2024 13:34:17 GMT -5
In my view there's 2 main problems with Soccer in America. 1. Clubs able to be "non-profit" 2. Colleges with soccer teams If you take these away (primarally #2) America soccer development would have evolved more like Europe. Sorry Not Sorry, but, I disagree with your assessment of #2. I'm going to need some explanation as to why you think that... Reasons College Soccer is not good. 1. Unlimited substitutions 2. Coaches have no inventive to develop players 3. Coaches have every incentive to look for new talent to replace existing every season 4. Get hurt and coaches have every incentive to push you off the team to give your scholarship to another player 5. The transfer portal for girls soccer players is HUGE. Something is not right. 6. Players are trading prime playing years for a scholarship. For top players compare professional $$$ to the value of the scholarship 7. For women the Draft is a BS way to push down player paychecks |
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Post by rifle on Feb 20, 2024 17:06:06 GMT -5
Soup sandwich.
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Post by newposter on Feb 21, 2024 9:34:33 GMT -5
Sorry Not Sorry, but, I disagree with your assessment of #2. I'm going to need some explanation as to why you think that... Reasons College Soccer is not good. 1. Unlimited substitutions 2. Coaches have no inventive to develop players 3. Coaches have every incentive to look for new talent to replace existing every season 4. Get hurt and coaches have every incentive to push you off the team to give your scholarship to another player 5. The transfer portal for girls soccer players is HUGE. Something is not right. 6. Players are trading prime playing years for a scholarship. For top players compare professional $$$ to the value of the scholarship 7. For women the Draft is a BS way to push down player paychecks I suggest you go look at the success of AU homegrowns who gave up college... |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Feb 21, 2024 10:34:23 GMT -5
Sorry Not Sorry, but, I disagree with your assessment of #2. I'm going to need some explanation as to why you think that... Reasons College Soccer is not good. 1. Unlimited substitutions 2. Coaches have no inventive to develop players 3. Coaches have every incentive to look for new talent to replace existing every season 4. Get hurt and coaches have every incentive to push you off the team to give your scholarship to another player 5. The transfer portal for girls soccer players is HUGE. Something is not right. 6. Players are trading prime playing years for a scholarship. For top players compare professional $$$ to the value of the scholarship 7. For women the Draft is a BS way to push down player paychecks These may be reasons that college soccer can be harmful now, but it is BECAUSE of college soccer that women’s soccer in the US and in Western Europe and in some more “affluent” countries in Africa have been able to have women’s soccer players go pro and play competitive soccer at the international level and play an entertaining and good game. The portal is a new thing and is destroying all college sports, not just soccer. As a person who has worked in the sports community and been paying attention to the rate of ACL tears of our pros I am not convinced that the pro teams (particularly in Europe) aren’t just as bad if not worse for our female soccer players as our college teams are. I think and hope the pros will fix the issue a little faster than college could because they have more money and more collaboration between the “physios” than college doctors and athletic trainers can and do have. But right now I am not convinced the professional environment is the best thing for young players. We will see. College soccer is currently and will for a long time be the best way to provide a large player pool for women’s soccer. It is still a more practical way to approach things for the majority of girls. It doesn’t mean there won’t be a continuation of the flood of young female athletes entering the pros straight out of high school or before graduation. We have to be up to 15 or 20 US girls now. When I have a few free minutes I could try to go name them all. But even outside of those there are a bunch that spend a year or two in college then leave. Another valid option so that they may have a little time to experience college and mature and make a decision on their future, also have an admission to a school that they may theoretically be able to go back to and may be a better school than they could have gone to without soccer. Personally I think they could make some rules changes to college soccer and college sports that might help protect athletes. But there will always be the law of unintended consequences. Many thought NIL and the transfer portal would help protect the players. But it only helps protect the star players. It makes the fringe players cannon fodder even more than they were before in my opinion. Of course the transfer portal is a nice out for unhappy players, star or fringe, but it is making a mess of rosters for sure and destabilizing things for teams, coaches and players alike. Best thing a coach can do is create a strong culture. |
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Feb 21, 2024 18:29:47 GMT -5
Sorry Not Sorry, but, I disagree with your assessment of #2. I'm going to need some explanation as to why you think that... Reasons College Soccer is not good. 1. Unlimited substitutions 2. Coaches have no inventive to develop players 3. Coaches have every incentive to look for new talent to replace existing every season 4. Get hurt and coaches have every incentive to push you off the team to give your scholarship to another player 5. The transfer portal for girls soccer players is HUGE. Something is not right. 6. Players are trading prime playing years for a scholarship. For top players compare professional $$$ to the value of the scholarship 7. For women the Draft is a BS way to push down player paychecks On the women's side of the game, I will keep it short n quick, less I trigger some on here who come out of lurk mode when they are mentioned. For years the college route has worked and still works to help train the best in the world including our own. It's only of recent that the likes of Trinity Rodman have usurped the college process and are now direct signees to the Pros. In regards to the men, you clearly haven't heard of the following, who all also went the college route and have played in the MLS, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Scottish Premiership and the EPL. Sorry your comments don't carry water and don't make sense. Plus, I know for a fact, there are players who have been offered pro-deals and turn them down to have the college experience or because them and their advisers just don't think they are ready. BTW, you should look up the rankings of players who have chosen to skip college and go straight into the Pros. I would start with the local MLS team in Atlanta United... Matt Turner - Fairfield U Sean Johnson (ATL Local) - UCF Walker Zimmerman (ATL Local) - Furman Clint Dempsey - Furman Miles Robinson - Syracuse Darlington Nagbe - Akron Carlos Bocanegra (tone def exec) - UCLA Brad Guzan - USC Even Alexi Lalas - Rutgers |
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Post by lajolla39 on Feb 21, 2024 20:56:29 GMT -5
Reasons College Soccer is not good. 1. Unlimited substitutions 2. Coaches have no inventive to develop players 3. Coaches have every incentive to look for new talent to replace existing every season 4. Get hurt and coaches have every incentive to push you off the team to give your scholarship to another player 5. The transfer portal for girls soccer players is HUGE. Something is not right. 6. Players are trading prime playing years for a scholarship. For top players compare professional $$$ to the value of the scholarship 7. For women the Draft is a BS way to push down player paychecks On the women's side of the game, I will keep it short n quick, less I trigger some on here who come out of lurk mode when they are mentioned. For years the college route has worked and still works to help train the best in the world including our own. It's only of recent that the likes of Trinity Rodman have usurped the college process and are now direct signees to the Pros. In regards to the men, you clearly haven't heard of the following, who all also went the college route and have played in the MLS, Ligue 1, Bundesliga, Scottish Premiership and the EPL. Sorry your comments don't carry water and don't make sense. Plus, I know for a fact, there are players who have been offered pro-deals and turn them down to have the college experience or because them and their advisers just don't think they are ready. BTW, you should look up the rankings of players who have chosen to skip college and go straight into the Pros. I would start with the local MLS team in Atlanta United... Matt Turner - Fairfield U Sean Johnson (ATL Local) - UCF Walker Zimmerman (ATL Local) - Furman Clint Dempsey - Furman Miles Robinson - Syracuse Darlington Nagbe - Akron Carlos Bocanegra (tone def exec) - UCLA Brad Guzan - USC Even Alexi Lalas - Rutgers Actually, your first line is largely accurate. "The road ahead for talented male youth players in the US seems to not exist," should be written instead. US Soccer is all about networking and marketing! It's about having a parent, coach, teammate's dad, mom, cousin, or college roommate who dares to do a favor, gives you a second look, or just likes your parents and performs their job, I'll say this also, we have what we have today because of that, along with a terrible network of scouts and scouting. While I'm glad that AU is in our backyard, to give the unjaded local lads the belief that they can make the first team if they work hard and concentrate on their craft. It's truly impossible to say the best players across the board are at AU. There are lads that can match-up at almost every level, but for one reason or another(usually finances and scouting) they never get a chance at the top levels. Therefore they don't get a chance to be seen or get that one-in-a-million chance. Get your highly brilliant child to Europe right away if he or she is head and shoulders above both his or her peers and older non-peers! Everyone worth their salt in the world tries to travel to the US to try to wrangle a spot in the NBA since the NBA has the best basketball players. Get your child to Europe if it is a sincere passion and calling for him. They will at least gain an experience unlike any other, develop as a player, and perhaps even succeed. One final thing and a true test is do they consistently make the US Nat'l team? If the answer is no, please recognize that Junior may only be destined for an MLS Academy Homegrown signing where careers go to die in the USL, or College... p.s. The World is catching up to our Women btw gasoccerforum.com/thread/6637/non-mlsnext-player-pathway?page=1 |
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Post by rifle on Feb 22, 2024 6:27:34 GMT -5
I thought that post seemed familiar. And true.
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Post by bogan on Feb 22, 2024 6:56:39 GMT -5
I thought that post seemed familiar. And true. Maybe I’ll get the Sierra Award …for recycling old posts🤣. |
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Post by missionimpossible on Feb 22, 2024 10:36:43 GMT -5
Regarding the transfer portal and college soccer. I’m not sure this is a bad thing. Completely different dynamic from other sports. On the girls side a little more straight forward. I know several girls that have benefited from transferring and others that have transferred and then dropped out of soccer. However, it feels like it works for the more talented players.
On the boys side with all the older international players and constant college coaching changes over the last few years it’s probably needed and a good thing. Not to mention, American players are probably much harder to scout as the U.S. is so large and there are so many players and different leagues. Comparing a 22 year old, more polished, semi-pro international player to the potential of a 18 year old American kid is no doubt tough. The transfer portal allows US players to use actual college film and show what they can do against better competition. It’s a good thing to have options, if needed, and its hard to argue with film when comparing apples to apples.
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