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Post by missionimpossible on Mar 5, 2024 18:23:14 GMT -5
Posting this study Alexi Lalas quoted on his show. Pretty interesting and staggering stats. Key Findings The share of US playing time in MLS has: Decreased 43.58% since the first season of MLS Decreased 29.53% in the last decade. runrepeat.com/us-players-mls IMO this frankly puts it all in perspective of just how behind soccer development is in the US compared to other countries over the last 10 years. There is a tremendous downward trend in the development of professional players in our own domestic professional league that reflects on everyone in the dysfunctional pyramid, including youth, amateur, lower division leagues, colleges, US Soccer Federation, MLS, etc. Everyone… |
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Post by rifle on Mar 5, 2024 18:25:32 GMT -5
Yep. Guys like Barco making it happen. Or falling down a lot and then going back home.
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Post by newguy on Mar 5, 2024 19:36:28 GMT -5
Posting this study Alexi Lalas quoted on his show. Pretty interesting and staggering stats. Key Findings The share of US playing time in MLS has: Decreased 43.58% since the first season of MLS Decreased 29.53% in the last decade. runrepeat.com/us-players-mls IMO this frankly puts it all in perspective of just how behind soccer development is in the US compared to other countries over the last 10 years. There is a tremendous downward trend in the development of professional players in our own domestic professional league that reflects on everyone in the dysfunctional pyramid, including youth, amateur, lower division leagues, colleges, US Soccer Federation, MLS, etc. Everyone… If we are going to play the percentages game what’s the percentage increase of American’s in top six European leagues in the same time frames? By the way I am 100% in agreement with the premise of terrible development in this country but on the other hand, I do think it shows growth of MLS that they are now getting players that are no longer insulted or embarrassed to play in this country. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 5, 2024 21:44:54 GMT -5
If we are going to play the percentages game what’s the percentage increase of American’s in top six European leagues in the same time frames? By the way I am 100% in agreement with the premise of terrible development in this country but on the other hand, I do think it shows growth of MLS that they are now getting players that are no longer insulted or embarrassed to play in this country. I would like to know that number. I suspect it is flat or just barely higher. Until there is an open pyramid, MLS will keep it stagnant. Or “parity”. Same thing. |
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Post by bogan on Mar 6, 2024 4:12:03 GMT -5
Posting this study Alexi Lalas quoted on his show. Pretty interesting and staggering stats. Key Findings The share of US playing time in MLS has: Decreased 43.58% since the first season of MLS Decreased 29.53% in the last decade. runrepeat.com/us-players-mls IMO this frankly puts it all in perspective of just how behind soccer development is in the US compared to other countries over the last 10 years. There is a tremendous downward trend in the development of professional players in our own domestic professional league that reflects on everyone in the dysfunctional pyramid, including youth, amateur, lower division leagues, colleges, US Soccer Federation, MLS, etc. Everyone… If we are going to play the percentages game what’s the percentage increase of American’s in top six European leagues in the same time frames? By the way I am 100% in agreement with the premise of terrible development in this country but on the other hand, I do think it shows growth of MLS that they are now getting players that are no longer insulted or embarrassed to play in this country. Agree somewhat…but MLS is still viewed abroad as the retirement home for older players who can’t cut it in Europe any longer. If/when that trend reverses, MLS will be a 1st tier league…until then, we are the geriatric league. For me, it’s hard to watch an MLS game after watching an EPL game. I hope it gets better. And for what it’s worth, I still buy ATL UTD tickets and am a supporter…although the last few seasons have been painful at best. |
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Post by missionimpossible on Mar 6, 2024 7:51:08 GMT -5
Among the US clubs, Los Angeles FC (14.56%) , Houston (19.92%) and New York City FC (24.57%) were responsible for giving the least amount of time to the domestic players.
Meanwhile, New England (63.56%), Nashville (61.01%), LA Galaxy (58.88%), FC Dallas (52.88%) and NY Red Bulls (51.09%) were the five clubs with the most playing time given to the US players.
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I see a lot of similarities here in the College game but probably even much, much more heavily skewed on “playing time” (and scholarship $$$$$) to internationals.
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Post by newguy on Mar 6, 2024 8:14:44 GMT -5
If we are going to play the percentages game what’s the percentage increase of American’s in top six European leagues in the same time frames? By the way I am 100% in agreement with the premise of terrible development in this country but on the other hand, I do think it shows growth of MLS that they are now getting players that are no longer insulted or embarrassed to play in this country. Agree somewhat…but MLS is still viewed abroad as the retirement home for older players who can’t cut it in Europe any longer. If/when that trend reverses, MLS will be a 1st tier league…until then, we are the geriatric league. For me, it’s hard to watch an MLS game after watching an EPL game. I hope it gets better. And for what it’s worth, I still buy ATL UTD tickets and am a supporter…although the last few seasons have been painful at best. MLS won’t catch EPL for another decade or two at best depending on when the spending caps come off. It’s already jumped the second tier leagues in Europe and is close to Mexico, Brazil and Argentina. China was, and Saudi Arabia is, the real retirement league with an unsustainable model. To somewhat circle back to the original point, five years ago every kid on my older son’s team dreamed of making it to AU but now my youngest and all his friends see US players playing for bigger clubs in Europe and see that’s a possibility (not realistic, but kids can dream). |
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Post by bogan on Mar 6, 2024 8:42:09 GMT -5
Agree somewhat…but MLS is still viewed abroad as the retirement home for older players who can’t cut it in Europe any longer. If/when that trend reverses, MLS will be a 1st tier league…until then, we are the geriatric league. For me, it’s hard to watch an MLS game after watching an EPL game. I hope it gets better. And for what it’s worth, I still buy ATL UTD tickets and am a supporter…although the last few seasons have been painful at best. MLS won’t catch EPL for another decade or two at best depending on when the spending caps come off. It’s already jumped the second tier leagues in Europe and is close to Mexico, Brazil and Argentina. China was, and Saudi Arabia is, the real retirement league with an unsustainable model. To somewhat circle back to the original point, five years ago every kid on my older son’s team dreamed of making it to AU but now my youngest and all his friends see US players playing for bigger clubs in Europe and see that’s a possibility (not realistic, but kids can dream). I am not that knowledgeable on Liga Mex…but I disagree that MLS has caught the second tier clubs in Europe. Except for a few MLS teams, I don’t see American football being competitive in the Championship or even second tier of the Bundesliga. I do agree that Saudi is trying hard to duplicate our retirement league. Edit: Although I think it’s highly unlikely we will catch the EPL in the near future, I hope you are right…MLS is going to have to spend a lot more money though. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 6, 2024 17:40:26 GMT -5
Agree somewhat…but MLS is still viewed abroad as the retirement home for older players who can’t cut it in Europe any longer. If/when that trend reverses, MLS will be a 1st tier league…until then, we are the geriatric league. For me, it’s hard to watch an MLS game after watching an EPL game. I hope it gets better. And for what it’s worth, I still buy ATL UTD tickets and am a supporter…although the last few seasons have been painful at best. MLS won’t catch EPL for another decade or two at best depending on when the spending caps come off. It’s already jumped the second tier leagues in Europe and is close to Mexico, Brazil and Argentina. China was, and Saudi Arabia is, the real retirement league with an unsustainable model. To somewhat circle back to the original point, five years ago every kid on my older son’s team dreamed of making it to AU but now my youngest and all his friends see US players playing for bigger clubs in Europe and see that’s a possibility (not realistic, but kids can dream). by what metric? And don’t tell me stadium value! |
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Post by newposter on Mar 6, 2024 18:21:21 GMT -5
Posting this study Alexi Lalas quoted on his show. Pretty interesting and staggering stats. Key Findings The share of US playing time in MLS has: Decreased 43.58% since the first season of MLS Decreased 29.53% in the last decade. runrepeat.com/us-players-mls IMO this frankly puts it all in perspective of just how behind soccer development is in the US compared to other countries over the last 10 years. There is a tremendous downward trend in the development of professional players in our own domestic professional league that reflects on everyone in the dysfunctional pyramid, including youth, amateur, lower division leagues, colleges, US Soccer Federation, MLS, etc. Everyone… I think it is because they want to put behinds in seats. Look at Inter Miami. They went from small crowds to sellouts. AU does the same thing. They have brought in the International players with few from their academy. Academy kids don't put behinds in seats. A well known older International player will. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 6, 2024 20:41:13 GMT -5
Posting this study Alexi Lalas quoted on his show. Pretty interesting and staggering stats. Key Findings The share of US playing time in MLS has: Decreased 43.58% since the first season of MLS Decreased 29.53% in the last decade. runrepeat.com/us-players-mls IMO this frankly puts it all in perspective of just how behind soccer development is in the US compared to other countries over the last 10 years. There is a tremendous downward trend in the development of professional players in our own domestic professional league that reflects on everyone in the dysfunctional pyramid, including youth, amateur, lower division leagues, colleges, US Soccer Federation, MLS, etc. Everyone… I think it is because they want to put behinds in seats. Look at Inter Miami. They went from small crowds to sellouts. AU does the same thing. They have brought in the International players with few from their academy. Academy kids don't put behinds in seats. A well known older International player will. It is a proven recipe, no doubt. But lining these washed up old stars for one or two more laps .. alongside (mostly) defenders and other players earning ninety grand creates a JV league while Saturday and Sunday mornings we get to watch open systems showcase clubs that actually had to achieve something to get there and stay there. There is no comparison. Twenty five years in and all MLS has done is create a hedge for NFL owners, with some real estate opportunity on the side. Focus on the fans. Not the owners. |
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Post by footyfan on Mar 8, 2024 12:33:47 GMT -5
There is no reason to be optimistic about the future of MLS or the development of players in the USA. We've had players playing abroad for decades, we just didn't have access to their matches nor the socal media to promote them being overseas.
We have more kids involved in the sport and fewer success stories to tell. Our colleges and pro teams are flooded with the dropouts from overseas academies and the retirees from overseas clubs.
We (people involved in soccer in the USA) are failing the kids and USSF has no answers and a single entity MLS will never be the answer.
Find a local club where your kid has fun and the parents aren't mean and just relax and enjoy it. Only 1% of you will regret it and odds are you aren't the 1%.
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Post by rifle on Mar 8, 2024 13:53:26 GMT -5
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