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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 7, 2024 11:21:21 GMT -5
Any advice for looking at other ECNL teams (seems like the Coaches know if you do =ECNL ID camps). I don't want any drama and would like to be assured before going to any new tryouts. What wisdom can you impart on me- thks.
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Post by rifle on Mar 7, 2024 18:13:12 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous.
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 7, 2024 19:49:10 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. Does your player have friends on other ECNL club rosters? By u15 and I've said this before, the coaches know who the top players are as do the players. Agree with this post too. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Mar 7, 2024 19:57:30 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. I like this comment and am going to steal it and tell it to parents.  |
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Post by rifle on Mar 7, 2024 21:56:37 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. I like this comment and am going to steal it and tell it to parents. It is simply the truth. Tryouts were always the worst week when I had a kid playing club soccer. Met a lot of friends along the way though. |
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Post by diamondmid on Mar 8, 2024 13:02:36 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. It depends on the club. Some clubs would rather bring in the new revenue than try to be better. I've seen clubs cut half a team in favor of new players that were lesser players. And some of the players cut were definitely top (almost full game minutes, top goal contributors, etc.) There were no reasons to be nervous. And the "new" team's records typically show you did bring in lesser players. If only we had true competition and communication. The only reason to have overlapping tryouts is to limit access and prevent players from leaving. By the time tryouts come around, no player should question where they stand – but coaches rarely communicate. You've had a player for a whole season (sometimes you've had them for 2 or 3). That player should know if they are in, on the bubble, or out. But if you give a player access to decide for themselves, you may lose revenue. Instead - leave them questioning. Bring in new players. Then, on the second or third night of tryouts - tell them they are cut and need to accept a spot on your lower team. Then you've added revenue! "It's all about development" lol. The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them. Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. |
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Post by rifle on Mar 8, 2024 13:52:25 GMT -5
It depends on the club. Some clubs would rather bring in the new revenue than try to be better. I've seen clubs cut half a team in favor of new players that were lesser players. And some of the players cut were definitely top (almost full game minutes, top goal contributors, etc.) There were no reasons to be nervous. And the "new" team's records typically show you did bring in lesser players. If only we had true competition and communication. The only reason to have overlapping tryouts is to limit access and prevent players from leaving. By the time tryouts come around, no player should question where they stand – but coaches rarely communicate. You've had a player for a whole season (sometimes you've had them for 2 or 3). That player should know if they are in, on the bubble, or out. But if you give a player access to decide for themselves, you may lose revenue. Instead - leave them questioning. Bring in new players. Then, on the second or third night of tryouts - tell them they are cut and need to accept a spot on your lower team. Then you've added revenue! "It's all about development" lol. The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them. Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. dirty little secret. |
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Post by atlnoleg on Mar 8, 2024 14:04:25 GMT -5
The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them. Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. I'd be curious where you heard that from. I have not seen that at the ECNL/R level, at least at the lower age levels. Last year they only dropped kids to RL and replaced them with players from outside the club. This year will likely be the same judging from the lack of integration of players between the two teams. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Mar 8, 2024 16:10:18 GMT -5
The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them. Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. I'd be curious where you heard that from. I have not seen that at the ECNL/R level, at least at the lower age levels. Last year they only dropped kids to RL and replaced them with players from outside the club. This year will likely be the same judging from the lack of integration of players between the two teams. Agree. The way to improve a team is to improve players 12-16 as those players get some minutes that a team must have quality. Occasionally one of those players will bump a starter. |
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Post by diamondmid on Mar 8, 2024 17:32:34 GMT -5
The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them. Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. I'd be curious where you heard that from. I have not seen that at the ECNL/R level, at least at the lower age levels. Last year they only dropped kids to RL and replaced them with players from outside the club. This year will likely be the same judging from the lack of integration of players between the two teams. Maybe it's not across the board but I've seen teams with my own eyes. There has definitely been movement from RL to NL and even the other way from age groups I'm familiar with other the last several years. And heard from parents on teams that coaches spoke with players, let them know where they stood, and if cut - offered to help find another team. |
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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 8, 2024 18:11:37 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. Does your player have friends on other ECNL club rosters? By u15 and I've said this before, the coaches know who the top players are as do the players. Agree with this post too. |
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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 8, 2024 18:17:18 GMT -5
Yes, he's top 2 on his team. He's developed a lot of friends from other ECNL teams. He's impactful (scoring and assists) at ODP. Some of the parents from other ECNL teams are asking our plans for next year. I guess I'll wait until Coaching assignments are released. Then, I'll reach out to Coaches after May 1st to guage interest b4 any ID camps.
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Post by atlnoleg on Mar 8, 2024 20:07:28 GMT -5
I'd be curious where you heard that from. I have not seen that at the ECNL/R level, at least at the lower age levels. Last year they only dropped kids to RL and replaced them with players from outside the club. This year will likely be the same judging from the lack of integration of players between the two teams. Maybe it's not across the board but I've seen teams with my own eyes. There has definitely been movement from RL to NL and even the other way from age groups I'm familiar with other the last several years. And heard from parents on teams that coaches spoke with players, let them know where they stood, and if cut - offered to help find another team. I believe you. It could just be our year that’s the outlier. Believe me, I hope that’s the case. But the U13 was half players from outside the club. There was virtually zero contact between the NL/RL teams throughout the season and the only movement at the end of the year was downward from NL while several outside players were brought in to fill those positions. This year has followed the same pattern. But maybe with the change in coaching cycle next year will be different? |
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Post by socks on Mar 8, 2024 21:38:35 GMT -5
Yes, he's top 2 on his team. He's developed a lot of friends from other ECNL teams. He's impactful (scoring and assists) at ODP. Some of the parents from other ECNL teams are asking our plans for next year. I guess I'll wait until Coaching assignments are released. Then, I'll reach out to Coaches after May 1st to guage interest b4 any ID camps. If you don't mind my asking, what's the reason for the move? |
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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 8, 2024 22:03:16 GMT -5
A plethora of reasons.... Distance, Coaching style, and a huge drop in play after starters are subbed. It's a ton of other reasons but I might make it too obvious who we are- lol
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Post by cluelessparents on Mar 9, 2024 1:09:20 GMT -5
A plethora of reasons.... Distance, Coaching style, and a huge drop in play after starters are subbed. It's a ton of other reasons but I might make it too obvious who we are- lol Sounds as if you might be chasing W’s. What kind of playing time does your player currently receive? 75-80% + mid tier vs sub 40-50% higher tier isn’t a good trade off. How does your player show when going up against “better” teams? Are they able to beat their defenders? Do they attract multiple defenders when they have the ball? When defending can they shut down most players? Those scouting, if that is the end game, can see talent on a weaker team. They also can’t see entire matches so if they aren’t there the 30~50% of a game you may not get noticed anyway but the team sure looks good. As for the coaching style they come and go. 2-3 yrs max and the next one will come along. Put in the time outside of team practice training and then when with the team work on those skills learned at individual sessions. |
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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 9, 2024 8:20:16 GMT -5
Chasing W's? Quite possibly, but I see it as getting challenged more during practice and becoming a better player. He is the one who stands out and attracts multiple defenders. Other teams parents come up after the game to tell him he did a great job. He's always played on underdog teams on the lower level. He's shown over this year that he belongs on anyone's team. Players 12- 16 probably wouldn't make any other team. However, I'm eagerly watching to see Coaching assignments and not burning any bridges.
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Post by dreamsoccer on Mar 9, 2024 8:21:18 GMT -5
Lower level teams on ECNL
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Post by rifle on Mar 9, 2024 9:20:20 GMT -5
Sounds like you’re doing the right things waiting to see coach assignments and well positioned to lock in some options before tryouts. Thats a desirable place to be before tryouts.
(And I know.. I’m being “captain obvious is obvious”)
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Post by randomparent on Mar 9, 2024 11:53:12 GMT -5
I think it all depends. Is the player on the top quarter of the roster or the bottom half? Top players get opportunities at tryout time. Bottom players get nervous. It depends on the club. Some clubs would rather bring in the new revenue than try to be better. I've seen clubs cut half a team in favor of new players that were lesser players. And some of the players cut were definitely top (almost full game minutes, top goal contributors, etc.) There were no reasons to be nervous. And the "new" team's records typically show you did bring in lesser players. If only we had true competition and communication. The only reason to have overlapping tryouts is to limit access and prevent players from leaving. By the time tryouts come around, no player should question where they stand – but coaches rarely communicate. You've had a player for a whole season (sometimes you've had them for 2 or 3). That player should know if they are in, on the bubble, or out. But if you give a player access to decide for themselves, you may lose revenue. Instead - leave them questioning. Bring in new players. Then, on the second or third night of tryouts - tell them they are cut and need to accept a spot on your lower team. Then you've added revenue! "It's all about development" lol. The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them.Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. This is a really odd statement. Are you talking about the girls side? On the boys side this couldn't be further from the truth in multiple age groups. My problem with NASA on the boys side has never been that they judge and ultimately deemed unworthy an existing player, it is that existing players never get an opportunity to be judged. This my personal experience in multiple age groups. I don't understand why that for one week out of the year for tryouts and 3/4 nights of id sessions to step up and try a little more and give the boys a shot. To me the great thing about high school soccer is it gives all the boys a chance to be judged for the first time in years. You can watch high school games and unless the kid is top 3-4 on an ECNL team (they are ballers), for everyone else you may not be able to figure out who is ECNL or who is ECRL or who is SCCL. |
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Post by datrain on Mar 9, 2024 17:49:40 GMT -5
It depends on the club. Some clubs would rather bring in the new revenue than try to be better. I've seen clubs cut half a team in favor of new players that were lesser players. And some of the players cut were definitely top (almost full game minutes, top goal contributors, etc.) There were no reasons to be nervous. And the "new" team's records typically show you did bring in lesser players. If only we had true competition and communication. The only reason to have overlapping tryouts is to limit access and prevent players from leaving. By the time tryouts come around, no player should question where they stand – but coaches rarely communicate. You've had a player for a whole season (sometimes you've had them for 2 or 3). That player should know if they are in, on the bubble, or out. But if you give a player access to decide for themselves, you may lose revenue. Instead - leave them questioning. Bring in new players. Then, on the second or third night of tryouts - tell them they are cut and need to accept a spot on your lower team. Then you've added revenue! "It's all about development" lol. The best club I've seen handle the process is NASA Tophat. (From the outside looking in and hearing from ppl in the club.) They seem to favor their players over new ones (promoting from within and keeping theirs if all things are equal) and players typically know where they stand before tryouts. I've also heard they will help a player find a spot if they plan to cut them.Clubs have zero loyalty to players but expect that loyalty to be given to the club. This is a really odd statement. Are you talking about the girls side? On the boys side this couldn't be further from the truth in multiple age groups. My problem with NASA on the boys side has never been that they judge and ultimately deemed unworthy an existing player, it is that existing players never get an opportunity to be judged. This my personal experience in multiple age groups. I don't understand why that for one week out of the year for tryouts and 3/4 nights of id sessions to step up and try a little more and give the boys a shot. To me the great thing about high school soccer is it gives all the boys a chance to be judged for the first time in years. You can watch high school games and unless the kid is top 3-4 on an ECNL team (they are ballers), for everyone else you may not be able to figure out who is ECNL or who is ECRL or who is SCCL. As it pertains to NASA, this is so true. Concorde effectively inherited an entire team of 2008s a few years ago because they outright refused to give kids a shot to move up. There is a lot to like about NASA.....but....they lock in decisions on existing talent at age 13 and even if you develop, you have little to no chance of moving up. You are locked for life |
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Post by Brinker on Mar 9, 2024 22:34:40 GMT -5
For NASA boys ECNL there is a lot of competition to both make and keep your spot on the team, especially at older ages. I don’t agree with the comment that you are locked in for life at NASA. On the contrary, it is hard to keep your spot when so many players want to make the team, both from RL and outside the club.
Lots of kids (and parents) want to play for NASA ECNL as they have an excellent track record of winning and college recruiting.
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Post by randomparent on Mar 10, 2024 20:06:17 GMT -5
For NASA boys ECNL there is a lot of competition to both make and keep your spot on the team, especially at older ages. I don’t agree with the comment that you are locked in for life at NASA. On the contrary, it is hard to keep your spot when so many players want to make the team, both from RL and outside the club. Lots of kids (and parents) want to play for NASA ECNL as they have an excellent track record of winning and college recruiting. Always lots competition to make and keep your spot on an ECNL team, true for NASA especially. I would say at the older age groups maybe even a bit more, since one of their coaches is considered one of the best local coaches as it relates to college recruiting. As you alluded, a lot of really strong players attempt to switch clubs to make that team in the older age groups, and when they visit the ID sessions they typically get good looks if they have reached out ahead of time and gotten ahold of the coach. While all of that is true, it seems a completely different topic than the earlier point. |
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Post by Brinker on May 4, 2024 9:35:58 GMT -5
For NASA boys ECNL there is a lot of competition to both make and keep your spot on the team, especially at older ages. I don’t agree with the comment that you are locked in for life at NASA. On the contrary, it is hard to keep your spot when so many players want to make the team, both from RL and outside the club. Lots of kids (and parents) want to play for NASA ECNL as they have an excellent track record of winning and college recruiting. Always lots competition to make and keep your spot on an ECNL team, true for NASA especially. I would say at the older age groups maybe even a bit more, since one of their coaches is considered one of the best local coaches as it relates to college recruiting. As you alluded, a lot of really strong players attempt to switch clubs to make that team in the older age groups, and when they visit the ID sessions they typically get good looks if they have reached out ahead of time and gotten ahold of the coach. While all of that is true, it seems a completely different topic than the earlier point. Agree 100% with this. I expect the NTH-NASA ECNL ID sessions will be very crowded and competitive. I also agree that many kids and parents want to play for TG. He is an excellent coach and is great with college recruiting. NTH-NASA also tends to do very well at ECNL playoffs and showcases. |
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