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Post by developmentislife on Mar 25, 2024 15:11:48 GMT -5
I’ve enjoyed being a member of this community and I see there are a lot of informed parents that have been around the soccer culture here in Georgia for years. I have a question for all parents regarding coaching from the sidelines. We recently attended a “high-level training program“ (not free)and I saw a Coach show the players one specific movement or technique. Coach then watched my son and several other players do it five or six times in a row the wrong way and said nothing at which point I suggested to my son to do it the right way and was told by Coach to let him do his job. considering the fact that he was trying to show the players specific way to do a specific thing and took the time to show them how and then watched them do it the wrong way with out saying a word bothered me in a real way. I know I’m not the coach but it stood out to me. Any insights ?
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Post by lajolla39 on Mar 25, 2024 15:29:24 GMT -5
I think you should show him your coaching license and put him in his place.
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Post by mightydawg on Mar 25, 2024 15:38:04 GMT -5
I’ve enjoyed being a member of this community and I see there are a lot of informed parents that have been around the soccer culture here in Georgia for years. I have a question for all parents regarding coaching from the sidelines. We recently attended a “high-level training program“ (not free)and I saw a Coach show the players one specific movement or technique. Coach then watched my son and several other players do it five or six times in a row the wrong way and said nothing at which point I suggested to my son to do it the right way and was told by Coach to let him do his job. considering the fact that he was trying to show the players specific way to do a specific thing and took the time to show them how and then watched them do it the wrong way with out saying a word bothered me in a real way. I know I’m not the coach but it stood out to me. Any insights ? If you are paying for someone to coach your kid, it is best to let the coach do his/her job. Coaching from the sideline can be confusing for the player. It is even worse if it not your kid and during a game. If you want to talk to your kid about it, do it at home and show them what to do.
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Post by rifle on Mar 25, 2024 18:30:32 GMT -5
I refereed a low level U13G “select” game Sunday. One GK’s dad hung out on the sideline around the top of her penalty area. He literally joystick coached his daughter continuously and would not shut his mouth. Even after she was in tears after giving up soft goals number 3, 4, 5, 6. Her team was not good but her dad made it worse. I talked with the coach about it afterward and he just shook his head.
If you stand with other parents and get wound up: get away from them. If you get wound up standing by yourself, go put gas in your car and come back.
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Post by bogan on Mar 25, 2024 19:13:14 GMT -5
rifle said “If you stand with other parents and get wound up: get away from them. If you get wound up standing by yourself, go put gas in your car and come back.” Before or after the field marshal is called? Asking for a friend…
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Post by Panenka on Mar 25, 2024 21:57:55 GMT -5
It's usually best to keep quiet and not coach from the sidelines. Instead, wait until you're alone with your child to go over the drill, practice it together, and discuss what it's supposed to teach. The situation can vary, though. If it's a short soccer camp and you're not familiar with the coach, it might be too quick to jump in and judge their coaching style. Sometimes kids might not follow the drill properly because they're distracted or just fooling around. Other times, it might be that the coach isn't great at explaining things clearly to the kids, leading to confusion.
If kids are just being distracted, it's the coach's job to handle it, not ours. But if the problem is that the coach isn't communicating well, even though we might want to help, it's usually better to stay quiet. If this lack of clear communication continues over many sessions, because the coach uses a difficult tone or doesn't use helpful visuals, for example, then we need to think about whether this coach and program are right for our child's soccer development.
Someone earlier said if we pay them to coach let them do their job, and that is true specially if they are a good coach. However not all coaches are good at connecting with kids of different ages, so yes they have a coaching license but they are not effective and you have the right to be dissapointed with the knowledge transfer your child is receiving. And that could be the reason you feel the urge to speak up.
Lastly I know at RDS they have a strict no sideline rule, and I respect that because I think highly of their coaches and believe the players are in much better hands compared to anything I could teach them.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Mar 26, 2024 23:10:59 GMT -5
Would you yell at your child during a ballet performance? Piano recital? Chorus concert? If you can exhibit self control in those moments certainly the same restraint can be shown at an athletic event.
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Post by bolo on Mar 27, 2024 8:35:34 GMT -5
Would you yell at your child during a ballet performance? Piano recital? Chorus concert? If you can exhibit self control in those moments certainly the same restraint can be shown at an athletic event. Let's be honest, that's not the world's greatest comparison. No one actively talks or cheers in the middle of any of those things, much less "coaches". Unlike a soccer game or most other sporting events (outside of tennis or golf, for example), those are largely silent events while the action is going on. Soccer is not that at all. If a kid on our team makes a nice pass or nice tackle, I'm likely going to yell, "Great pass!" or "Nice!". As will half a dozen other parents on the team. And that's totally normal. No one yells, "Great playing!" after a particularly difficult stretch of a piano recital that's still going on! Look, I get what you're saying in theory. Parents shouldn't be yelling to their kids (or any players) what to do from the sideline. But let's face it- it happens, and it always will. Parents are human and humans aren't always perfect and can't always control themselves like they probably should. Some are better at it than others- maybe you're one of those that sits silently and only cheers during the break in play after your team scores a goal. And that's great, and maybe that's the way you think it should be. But that's simply not reality. Go to any other youth sporting event- football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, hockey, etc. Parents & others are constantly yelling & cheering from the sidelines or stands. Sometimes they're shouting instructions, like "Shoot!" or "He's open!". But for some reason, it feels like soccer is the sport we've played where "coaching from the sidelines" gets the most negative attention and condemnation from those enlightened parents that would never dare to do anything of the sort. Have never been able to figure out why that is. Maybe it's because at club games parents are right there along the sidelines, rarely separated by even as much as a fence, so it's easier for players to hear parents, and also for coaches to hear them from just across the field. Maybe it's because most soccer coaches think most parents are idiots that never played or even watched soccer and could never understand the sport, so they clearly are going to tell the players the wrong thing to do or otherwise confuse them. It's probably some combination of those two.
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Post by mamadona on Mar 27, 2024 8:56:30 GMT -5
I think it's annoying and it mostly does not help. Either parents yell the obvious "SHOOT!" and they often distract players so that they make a mistake. Or they yell things that are wrong, like "dribble!" when passing would have been better. I got annoyed at another mom for yelling to my kid recently. "Talk, one of you!" when I had told my kid not to not hesitate, that it's better to go for the ball than not when you're not sure what your team mate is doing and there's no time to "talk".
I try to not coach from the sideline, but yeah sometimes I can't help saying something like "RUN!". But I often cheer and say things like nice pass!
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Post by rotgg on Mar 27, 2024 9:24:03 GMT -5
I think it's annoying and it mostly does not help. Either parents yell the obvious "SHOOT!" and they often distract players so that they make a mistake. Or they yell things that are wrong, like "dribble!" when passing would have been better. I got annoyed at another mom for yelling to my kid recently. "Talk, one of you!" when I had told my kid not to not hesitate, that it's better to go for the ball than not when you're not sure what your team mate is doing and there's no time to "talk". I try to not coach from the sideline, but yeah sometimes I can't help saying something like "RUN!". But I often cheer and say things like nice pass! Nothing wrong with saying RUN!! LOL
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Post by terimakasih12 on Mar 27, 2024 9:35:47 GMT -5
I think it's annoying and it mostly does not help. Either parents yell the obvious "SHOOT!" and they often distract players so that they make a mistake. Or they yell things that are wrong, like "dribble!" when passing would have been better. I got annoyed at another mom for yelling to my kid recently. "Talk, one of you!" when I had told my kid not to not hesitate, that it's better to go for the ball than not when you're not sure what your team mate is doing and there's no time to "talk". I try to not coach from the sideline, but yeah sometimes I can't help saying something like "RUN!". But I often cheer and say things like nice pass! Agree 100%. Something that I’ve thought about lately is how yelling at kids and coaching from the sidelines can limit players’ ability to think critically. A few weeks ago, I watched an Academy game in which a father on the sidelines kept telling his son where to go on the field. The kid waited for his father's instructions at every throw in, free quick, etc. to get his position. At some point, the other team made a quick throw-in past the player (who was standing around waiting for his father's instructions) and scored a few seconds later. The kid had no idea where to go and you could tell he couldn't make adjustments when something unexpected happened. I can't tell you how many times I've seen similar things happen at both big and small clubs around Atlanta. Point is, I recently promised my kids that I will only be positive on the sidelines. No telling them what to do or screaming "NOT IN THE MIDDLE". They have to learn from their mistakes. Plus, there are times when a pass to the middle is the best option.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 27, 2024 19:30:56 GMT -5
I think it's annoying and it mostly does not help. Either parents yell the obvious "SHOOT!" and they often distract players so that they make a mistake. Or they yell things that are wrong, like "dribble!" when passing would have been better. I got annoyed at another mom for yelling to my kid recently. "Talk, one of you!" when I had told my kid not to not hesitate, that it's better to go for the ball than not when you're not sure what your team mate is doing and there's no time to "talk". I try to not coach from the sideline, but yeah sometimes I can't help saying something like "RUN!". But I often cheer and say things like nice pass! Agree 100%. Something that I’ve thought about lately is how yelling at kids and coaching from the sidelines can limit players’ ability to think critically. A few weeks ago, I watched an Academy game in which a father on the sidelines kept telling his son where to go on the field. The kid waited for his father's instructions at every throw in, free quick, etc. to get his position. At some point, the other team made a quick throw-in past the player (who was standing around waiting for his father's instructions) and scored a few seconds later. The kid had no idea where to go and you could tell he couldn't make adjustments when something unexpected happened. I can't tell you how many times I've seen similar things happen at both big and small clubs around Atlanta. Point is, I recently promised my kids that I will only be positive on the sidelines. No telling them what to do or screaming "NOT IN THE MIDDLE". They have to learn from their mistakes. Plus, there are times when a pass to the middle is the best option. So true! It irks me when ppl yell “not in the middle!” Why not? If that is where the open player is then play them the ball. Ppl don’t want their kid to do it because if the pass is not accurate or the person receiving has a bad first touch it makes it easier for the team to score. So what? They are kids trying to play a game and the best decision doesn’t always work out. They do need to make decisions for themselves. As for coaches letting a kid do the drill incorrectly 4-5 times maybe they want them to make the mistake a few times and then point out the error if the kid doesn’t fix it on their own. I just did this with my child working on her volleyball serve.
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Post by Keeper on Mar 28, 2024 5:54:36 GMT -5
I think it's annoying and it mostly does not help. Either parents yell the obvious "SHOOT!" and they often distract players so that they make a mistake. Or they yell things that are wrong, like "dribble!" when passing would have been better. I got annoyed at another mom for yelling to my kid recently. "Talk, one of you!" when I had told my kid not to not hesitate, that it's better to go for the ball than not when you're not sure what your team mate is doing and there's no time to "talk". I try to not coach from the sideline, but yeah sometimes I can't help saying something like "RUN!". But I often cheer and say things like nice pass! Nothing wrong with saying RUN!! LOL Except when the coach has told them not to. Maybe the coach is slowing the game down. Maybe they don’t have subs. Maybe someone is injured and can’t run like that. Lots of other reasons too so just don’t coach from the sideline. And never ever ever yell for a kid to shoot, that’s joystick coaching 101.
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Post by bolo on Mar 28, 2024 8:32:07 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with saying RUN!! LOL Except when the coach has told them not to. Maybe the coach is slowing the game down. Maybe they don’t have subs. Maybe someone is injured and can’t run like that. Lots of other reasons too so just don’t coach from the sideline. And never ever ever yell for a kid to shoot, that’s joystick coaching 101. Those Premier League coaches must get so mad when the entire stadium yells at every open player approaching the 18 to "SHOOOOOOT"! Probably wants to turn around and yell to them to shut up, don't want to confuse the player- stupid sideline coaches! (And yes, I know comparing professional players to kids playing club is an extreme exaggeration, was just funny to me that the exact scenario you decried happens 20 times a game in professional and international games and no one thinks twice about it.)
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Post by rotgg on Mar 28, 2024 9:55:29 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with saying RUN!! LOL Except when the coach has told them not to. Maybe the coach is slowing the game down. Maybe they don’t have subs. Maybe someone is injured and can’t run like that. Lots of other reasons too so just don’t coach from the sideline. And never ever ever yell for a kid to shoot, that’s joystick coaching 101. seemed very clear i was making a joke but maybe not to everyone ROFL
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Post by terimakasih12 on Mar 28, 2024 9:59:08 GMT -5
Except when the coach has told them not to. Maybe the coach is slowing the game down. Maybe they don’t have subs. Maybe someone is injured and can’t run like that. Lots of other reasons too so just don’t coach from the sideline. And never ever ever yell for a kid to shoot, that’s joystick coaching 101. Those Premier League coaches must get so mad when the entire stadium yells at every open player approaching the 18 to "SHOOOOOOT"! Probably wants to turn around and yell to them to shut up, don't want to confuse the player- stupid sideline coaches! (And yes, I know comparing professional players to kids playing club is an extreme exaggeration, was just funny to me that the exact scenario you decried happens 20 times a game in professional and international games and no one thinks twice about it.) Fair enough, but those are fans yelling at older, more mature professional players. Those players have learned to handle those environments. You can’t expect most Academy kids to handle intense pressure and spectators constantly yelling what to do. They’ll get to that point eventually, but they first have to grow through experience and learn from their mistakes without parents hovering over them every step of the way. I mean, we’re talking about 8-12 year olds. This has been a hard lesson to learn for me. I played competitive soccer for many years and it frustrates me every time my kids make an errant pass or lose the ball while dribbling. Still, everything I’ve read and the coaches I have talked to say yelling when mistakes happen is not helpful. Promise. That said, some parents are going to yell constantly. Go for it. Hope it works out for them and their kids. Have a feeling repetition, practice, and good coaching will help more, though.
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Post by Topline Soccer on Mar 28, 2024 10:40:02 GMT -5
I’ve enjoyed being a member of this community and I see there are a lot of informed parents that have been around the soccer culture here in Georgia for years. I have a question for all parents regarding coaching from the sidelines. We recently attended a “high-level training program“ (not free)and I saw a Coach show the players one specific movement or technique. Coach then watched my son and several other players do it five or six times in a row the wrong way and said nothing at which point I suggested to my son to do it the right way and was told by Coach to let him do his job. considering the fact that he was trying to show the players specific way to do a specific thing and took the time to show them how and then watched them do it the wrong way with out saying a word bothered me in a real way. I know I’m not the coach but it stood out to me. Any insights ? Welcome to the Georgia soccer community! I believe its better to not talk to the coaches about coaching especially while it's happening. Build some rapport with the coach first (hello/goodbye will do wonders). Then you can casually talk about the season/practices/camp and what's going on if you want a deeper insight. You wouldn't want that coach at your job to tell you how to do your job especially if you barely know each other. At the end of day, the kids have to learn how to critically think on their own. Feel free to coach your own kid as much you want while at the park or in the backyard at home.
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Post by developmentislife on May 2, 2024 12:41:12 GMT -5
I’m very grateful to everyone that replied. I will say that this situation did not occur again and I have chalked it up to that moment being an anomaly. Incredible coaching every session since. After reading these replies I’m proud to say that I have turned it all the way down on the sidelines at training and games with wonderful results. Just clapping and smiling for me. That is until we get to the training ground just him and I. Then I get to help him with technique and insight. Thank you everyone !
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 3, 2024 15:47:50 GMT -5
I’ve enjoyed being a member of this community and I see there are a lot of informed parents that have been around the soccer culture here in Georgia for years. I have a question for all parents regarding coaching from the sidelines. We recently attended a “high-level training program“ (not free)and I saw a Coach show the players one specific movement or technique. Coach then watched my son and several other players do it five or six times in a row the wrong way and said nothing at which point I suggested to my son to do it the right way and was told by Coach to let him do his job. considering the fact that he was trying to show the players specific way to do a specific thing and took the time to show them how and then watched them do it the wrong way with out saying a word bothered me in a real way. I know I’m not the coach but it stood out to me. Any insights ? This is simple, just remember that coaches are akin to teachers. They are hired or in your child's life to teach in something specific - soccer. You don't tutor your kid to workout math problems counter to the way the teacher wants it worked out. You also don't stand outside your child's class or school, yelling, "Hey Suzy/Johnny, remember that 4 x 11 is 4,214" 🤪 With that in mind, I would advise you follow the same rule in regards to coaching from the sidelines. There is nothing wrong with encouragement, or doing a pre-post-mortem prior or after a game. Finally, I know a kid who at 17 was completely lost without his father on the sidelines because, all his life his dad had "coached from the sidelines" on when to make the runs, drop, lateral, etc. Good luck to your kid, I hope this advice makes them a much better player...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 3, 2024 15:58:28 GMT -5
Would you yell at your child during a ballet performance? Piano recital? Chorus concert? If you can exhibit self control in those moments certainly the same restraint can be shown at an athletic event. Let's be honest, that's not the world's greatest comparison. No one actively talks or cheers in the middle of any of those things, much less "coaches". Unlike a soccer game or most other sporting events (outside of tennis or golf, for example), those are largely silent events while the action is going on. Soccer is not that at all. If a kid on our team makes a nice pass or nice tackle, I'm likely going to yell, "Great pass!" or "Nice!". As will half a dozen other parents on the team. And that's totally normal. No one yells, "Great playing!" after a particularly difficult stretch of a piano recital that's still going on! Look, I get what you're saying in theory. Parents shouldn't be yelling to their kids (or any players) what to do from the sideline. But let's face it- it happens, and it always will. Parents are human and humans aren't always perfect and can't always control themselves like they probably should. Some are better at it than others- maybe you're one of those that sits silently and only cheers during the break in play after your team scores a goal. And that's great, and maybe that's the way you think it should be. But that's simply not reality. Go to any other youth sporting event- football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, hockey, etc. Parents & others are constantly yelling & cheering from the sidelines or stands. Sometimes they're shouting instructions, like "Shoot!" or "He's open!". But for some reason, it feels like soccer is the sport we've played where "coaching from the sidelines" gets the most negative attention and condemnation from those enlightened parents that would never dare to do anything of the sort. Have never been able to figure out why that is. Maybe it's because at club games parents are right there along the sidelines, rarely separated by even as much as a fence, so it's easier for players to hear parents, and also for coaches to hear them from just across the field. Maybe it's because most soccer coaches think most parents are idiots that never played or even watched soccer and could never understand the sport, so they clearly are going to tell the players the wrong thing to do or otherwise confuse them. It's probably some combination of those two. Maybe, every club needs to have a sign like this to "remind" everyone of the task at hand...
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Post by terimakasih12 on May 3, 2024 17:15:37 GMT -5
Let's be honest, that's not the world's greatest comparison. No one actively talks or cheers in the middle of any of those things, much less "coaches". Unlike a soccer game or most other sporting events (outside of tennis or golf, for example), those are largely silent events while the action is going on. Soccer is not that at all. If a kid on our team makes a nice pass or nice tackle, I'm likely going to yell, "Great pass!" or "Nice!". As will half a dozen other parents on the team. And that's totally normal. No one yells, "Great playing!" after a particularly difficult stretch of a piano recital that's still going on! Look, I get what you're saying in theory. Parents shouldn't be yelling to their kids (or any players) what to do from the sideline. But let's face it- it happens, and it always will. Parents are human and humans aren't always perfect and can't always control themselves like they probably should. Some are better at it than others- maybe you're one of those that sits silently and only cheers during the break in play after your team scores a goal. And that's great, and maybe that's the way you think it should be. But that's simply not reality. Go to any other youth sporting event- football, basketball, baseball, lacrosse, hockey, etc. Parents & others are constantly yelling & cheering from the sidelines or stands. Sometimes they're shouting instructions, like "Shoot!" or "He's open!". But for some reason, it feels like soccer is the sport we've played where "coaching from the sidelines" gets the most negative attention and condemnation from those enlightened parents that would never dare to do anything of the sort. Have never been able to figure out why that is. Maybe it's because at club games parents are right there along the sidelines, rarely separated by even as much as a fence, so it's easier for players to hear parents, and also for coaches to hear them from just across the field. Maybe it's because most soccer coaches think most parents are idiots that never played or even watched soccer and could never understand the sport, so they clearly are going to tell the players the wrong thing to do or otherwise confuse them. It's probably some combination of those two. Maybe, every club needs to have a sign like this to "remind" everyone of the task at hand... “We are trying to encourage players to make their own decisions.” 😂 This is a great sign!
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