Women’s team with five transgender players ‘broke opponent’s

I usually would agree, but five on one team defies the statistics on all of that and so the question then becomes, how many on one team is too many?  Slippery slopes and all…

I also think that defies odds. I would be surprised to learn that all the athletes are actually trans (diagnosed with gender dysphoria). To me that screams issues with cisgender males and not trans athletes though.

Do lack of sports accomplishments actually make a man so insecure that he would pretend to be trans in order to win trophies?

Yes, but as I said, I don’t think that the issue is the inclusion of trans athletes. I think the issue in this particular circumstance would be people taking advantage of an inclusive tournament. The solution to that wouldn’t be to not include trans people it would be to dissuade people from taking advantage.

Of all the injustices in the world, I find it amazing people spend so much time being upset by this.

Completely agree, I just haven’t heard of any good answers to keep it from happening. There are way too many a holes out there to have faith the existing rules won’t be exploited. 

I thought about that but you kind of make it worse for the best girls teams that start every tournament in the fourth or fifth division. Seems like it would reinforce a lot of negatives. 

I admit it’s a problem that doesn’t affect me directly but it’s clearly a problem that doesn’t seem to be getting closer to a good answer.

45-60 million children participate in youth sports and there are 187,000 division I athletes and you have listed 3 instances where a trans person has "taken someone's place". To be blunt, the only players or athletes that are missing out on competing are those who were "bubble" players to begin with. In other words yes, one cis swimmer and two cis runners may have missed out on placing last. And if in 30 years, these former athletes are still worried about the title they were never going to win, then there's a much deeper issue.  

Lia Thomas placed 1st in the 500 yard freestyle race, 5th in the 200 yard race, and 8th in the 100 yard race. Is your argument that she faked being slow in the other races to appease disgruntled spectators and other competitors? In the 500 yard race a cisgender competitor overtook Lia for at least some portion of the race. Her 500 yard time still puts her 9 seconds behind Katie Ledecky's (cis woman) record and Thomas' time didn't break any records.

The stats for athletic success for trans athletes at the Olympic level becomes even more grim than at the college level. Trans athletes have been allowed to participate in Olympic sports since 2004, as of 2021, 160 have competed. Laurel Hubbard is the first and only trans woman to compete (she competed in weightlifting) and did not win any medals, and didn't compete her lifts. In 2020 Quinn was the first and only trans athlete to win any medal, and received a gold. They did this having not received any hormone treatments (this would disqualify them from the NWSL), and on the team that aligns with their gender at birth. Around 200,000 athletes have competed at the olympics since 2004. 

In total, 23 tran athletes have won national or international championships. And like I said, you have named 3 instances. Two of which happened 7 years ago. And the only information I can find on Andraya Yearwood (one of the Connecticut runners) is that she attends a college where she does not compete in athletics. So, this idea that cis girls and women are being pushed out of their respectives sports at an alarming rate, or really at all, is just that, an idea. And the only evidence that you have of that happening is when a trans athlete becomes a statistical anomaly and wins a medal.

And yes, after Lia Thomas, and Quinn there may be more trans athletes at the Olympics and in the NCAA. This is not because more have suddenly "discovered themselves"; knowing you are welcome in a space makes you more likely to participate, and we know that this inclusivity saves lives. 

Issue with Lia was when they tied Gaines in the 200mtr meet they gave Lia the 5th place trophy over Gaines just because and told Gaines they would mail hers. Judges had no legit reason but to make sure feelings weren’t hurt.

Does that mean you have an issue with Lia? My issue would be with the judges in this case. Let them both take a picture with it and then mail it to both. I also have to ask should Lia have not received the trophy just because she's trans? Is that the implication? Had it been the other way around would that have been more palatable?  

I responded to the examples you gave and included Quinn/the Olympics to try and circle the conversation back to soccer. Overall, I believe the media has done a great job of convincing U.S. parents that this is an issue that desperately needs to be addressed because so many children are missing out, and that's just not the case. For perspective, there are 300,000 trans kids in the U.S. and 72.5 million total.

Let's assume that all trans children play sports and there are thousands of displaced cis players. Are we going to pretend that youth sports vultures won't start another league or team? They deserve more credit than that!

Cis girls who miss out on soccer are much more likely to miss out because of socioeconomic barriers, lack of transportation, proximity to clubs, or lack of confidence and interest, than they are because of the 1-2 trans players who may take their spots. I feel it's disingenuous to argue against trans people in soccer for the sake of "saving women's sports" while ignoring the plethora of more pressing issues that prevent girls from playing. I'm sure U.S. Soccer, U.S. Club Soccer, and USYS eat threads like this up. As long as we are disagreeing with one another on non-issues they aren't forced to make the fundamental changes necessary for the sport to be accessible to all.

If there is anything we have learned in GA Youth Soccer it is that if you are willing to pay, there is always an opportunity to compete at the "elite" level.

This is not the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) which has a membership of 67,000 medical professionals, but the American College of Pediatricians which has a membership of closer to 700. The AAP "has pointed to “strong consensus among the most prominent medical organizations worldwide that evidence-based, gender-affirming care for transgender children and adolescents is medically necessary and appropriate.”

"Sam Wineburg, a Stanford University psychologist who studies online disinformation, highlights the American College of Pediatricians in his research as an example of a group that uses its name and scientific jargon to convey authority."

“They’re part of a coordinated, politically motivated anti-science ecosystem,” said Peter Hotez, dean of Baylor College of Medicine’s National School of Tropical Medicine and an expert in misinformation."

"Kellan Baker, executive director of the Whitman-Walker Institute, a D.C.-based research, policy and advocacy center focused on LGBTQ health, accused the American College of Pediatricians of “intentionally and aggressively laundering pseudoscience through this veneer of respectability.”

“At first blush without knowing what’s actually behind it, you would think it is a pediatric medical professional organization,” Baker said. “It’s not. It’s a tiny group of fringe conservatives who didn’t like the fact that the field was leaving them behind.”

www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/06/15/abortion-transgender-christian-doctors/

It would be nice if you could find something that supports your views that isn't from a designated hate group. I won't hold my breath. 

Yes, really, a hate group. The group you referenced, "American College of Pediatricians" has been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. If every word in the abstract were "irrefutably true" you wouldn't be able to find doctors who disagreed. I've found at least 67,000. 

The LGBTQ community has different opinions on the word “trans.” Some nonbinary females assigned at birth consider themselves “trans” and some don’t. Possibly there are 1, 2, or 3 trans girls or women on that team that were males assigned at birth. Maybe the others are nonbinary and were females assigned at birth but call themselves trans. Maybe one or two are like Quinn or Kumi Yokoyama who are females assigned at birth and identify as transmasculine, but don’t play on men’s teams because they are not physically able to since they did not transition young and have the benefit of testosterone during their growth.

We have no way of knowing exactly who these women are on the team and how they identify. Before anyone tries to assume based on the team photo I will just say as a taller woman who does not wear a lot of make up and is not large chested I get misgendered as a man frequently when dressed in athletic gear, especially if wearing a hat or having my hair up.