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Post by futdad on Apr 8, 2024 21:38:46 GMT -5
Basic questions here (current 2010 U14 boy, P1).
Whats the dif between ECNL and ECNL RL?
Who is it right for?? When does it make sense to try to get into those leagues?
Both ECNL and RL require travel? and more expensive than SCCL by a lot?
A lot higher level than SCCL Champions?
Thanks!
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Post by randomparent on Apr 9, 2024 3:19:25 GMT -5
Basic questions here (current 2010 U14 boy, P1). Whats the dif between ECNL and ECNL RL? Who is it right for?? When does it make sense to try to get into those leagues? Both ECNL and RL require travel? and more expensive than SCCL by a lot? A lot higher level than SCCL Champions? Thanks! My family has experience from SCCL/RL/NL and the thoughts below reflect that XP across multiple age groups. If you are looking for your son to step up a league I would recommend focusing on just getting to SCCL-C for now. The kids that make bigger jumps than that usually players joining club late and are exceptional atheletes. ECL/RL is right for kids that always have a ball by their foot. That want to go do extra training with you or a coach Saturday morning or Friday night. For kids that are above average athletes (aggression, speed, size). For kids that have worked a lot on technical ball skills on their own. For kids that want to play at the highest level and have an attitude about sports where they are in it to win it. Also for families that are committed, that want this to be the center of their families life. The percentage of families/players that meet the criteria above drops each league level you go down. They exist at all levels, but ultimately I think you will find more families with their 2nd/3rd child playing SCCL because they are over it and many families oldest son in NL/RL because this is their first go. That is just my generality. For league play ECNL/RL have what I consider to be reasonable travel. SCCL is all local teams and no travel. Costs will skew higher for the higher level leagues. Not just the teams and tournaments, but keeping up with joneses. For example, at ECNL it would be more likely that you find families are are shelling out some money on private training throughout the year. For level of play, SCCL has taken a bath recently with teams like Ambush leaving. With that said, the top 1-3 teams in SCCL each year would beat the bottom 30-50% of RL teams. The level of play just drops off precipitously after the first 1-4 teams. You mentioned your son is P1, to put in perspective the top 1-2 teams in P1 would beat the bottom half of SCCL-C. This is true for other leagues, people mention NASA RL being good, in most age groups they would be a top 50% ECNL team if they were allowed to move up. How does it shake out by high school? If you look at teams in 7A or 6A schools that are ranked top 10, you will have a greater percentage of boys from ECNL/RL starting, but you will also have kids from SCCL starting. Without knowing in advance, in most cases (minus the truly special players) I do not think you would be able to accurately determine which boy plays in which league. |
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Post by soccerdadda on Apr 9, 2024 14:02:34 GMT -5
We have more experience on the girls side but the logistics are roughly the same. The overarching factor that was mentioned above is how bad does your kid want it. ECNL and RL are both very involved for the player as well as the parent. For the local region, the travel looks to be the same for ECNL and RL on the boys side. On the girls side it's a bigger difference as the ECNL teams travel to Florida while the RL teams do not. SCCL will be even more local from a travel perspective as a lot of clubs don't have ECNL but they will have SCCL teams. Another big factor for ECNL is the showcases that you travel to which will be costly. Whatever you choose, it's a family decision because the higher up you go the more expensive it gets and the more time you and your child will dedicate to the sport.
The only other thing to mention is whether or not your son can make the higher level teams. It's extremely hard to get to that level and just as hard to stay there year after year with everyone below them and at other clubs looking to take their spot. If they have the skill and will to get there and you have the means to provide for them then it's a great goal to have.
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Post by ibisduck on Apr 10, 2024 8:15:11 GMT -5
quick reference guide
ECNL and MLS next same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same ECNL can play high school MLS can not (for now)
ECNLr and NAL same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same, both can play high school ball
NPL, same amount of travel, fees maybe a little less than the above but not by much, can play HS
SCCL C - Local teams
SCCL Local teams
Rec
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Post by futdad on Apr 13, 2024 23:10:36 GMT -5
Thanks. What do you all think of moving to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond SSCL Champions but has a very strong team? Example 2010 boys Santos or Rush Union. Right now my son is in 2010 E64 (lowest in table) +SCCL P1 (mid-top table. He "thinks" hed like to be in ECNL RL but not sure hed make it...maybe...perhaps a very good SCCL Champions team would be good? But going to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond that....? Obviously, want to have a good coach.
Trying to fig out.
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Post by newguy on Apr 14, 2024 10:33:42 GMT -5
Different age groups and anecdotal at best but the relegated team at our age group from Championship didn’t win a game in fall and got routinely blown out. They’ve won half their games so far in P1 for Spring. The top 2-3 Championship teams could easily hold their own in ECNLR
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Post by bogan on Apr 14, 2024 10:41:58 GMT -5
Thanks. What do you all think of moving to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond SSCL Champions but has a very strong team? Example 2010 boys Santos or Rush Union. Right now my son is in 2010 E64 (lowest in table) +SCCL P1 (mid-top table. He "thinks" hed like to be in ECNL RL but not sure hed make it...maybe...perhaps a very good SCCL Champions team would be good? But going to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond that....? Obviously, want to have a good coach. Trying to fig out. The best advice I can give is to go where you think your player will be happy and grow/develop. I wouldn’t chase Leagues. I know this is a bit of a non answer, but it’s the best advice I have. |
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Post by footyfan on Apr 15, 2024 7:07:42 GMT -5
Thanks. What do you all think of moving to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond SSCL Champions but has a very strong team? Example 2010 boys Santos or Rush Union. Right now my son is in 2010 E64 (lowest in table) +SCCL P1 (mid-top table. He "thinks" hed like to be in ECNL RL but not sure hed make it...maybe...perhaps a very good SCCL Champions team would be good? But going to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond that....? Obviously, want to have a good coach. Trying to fig out. The best advice I can give is to go where you think your player will be happy and grow/develop. I wouldn’t chase Leagues. I know this is a bit of a non answer, but it’s the best advice I have. Club success varies within leagues. Team success varies within clubs. Player success varies within teams. Don't worry about the league at all. Find the best (& closest) coach at whatever club in whatever league. If, at 16 (or 10th grade), your child still loves and excels at the sport, speak with them about what they want from the sport and take the appropriate steps at that point. If your child is a phenom, people will reach out to you. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 15, 2024 18:46:25 GMT -5
The best advice I can give is to go where you think your player will be happy and grow/develop. I wouldn’t chase Leagues. I know this is a bit of a non answer, but it’s the best advice I have. Club success varies within leagues. Team success varies within clubs. Player success varies within teams. Don't worry about the league at all. Find the best (& closest) coach at whatever club in whatever league. If, at 16 (or 10th grade), your child still loves and excels at the sport, speak with them about what they want from the sport and take the appropriate steps at that point. If your child is a phenom, people will reach out to you. This is really sound advice. |
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Post by futdad on Apr 22, 2024 8:47:06 GMT -5
Thank you!
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Post by datrain on Apr 25, 2024 7:36:33 GMT -5
Thanks. What do you all think of moving to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond SSCL Champions but has a very strong team? Example 2010 boys Santos or Rush Union. Right now my son is in 2010 E64 (lowest in table) +SCCL P1 (mid-top table. He "thinks" hed like to be in ECNL RL but not sure hed make it...maybe...perhaps a very good SCCL Champions team would be good? But going to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond that....? Obviously, want to have a good coach. Trying to fig out. Roswell Santos now has NPL FWIW |
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Post by newguy on Apr 25, 2024 9:20:48 GMT -5
Thanks. What do you all think of moving to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond SSCL Champions but has a very strong team? Example 2010 boys Santos or Rush Union. Right now my son is in 2010 E64 (lowest in table) +SCCL P1 (mid-top table. He "thinks" hed like to be in ECNL RL but not sure hed make it...maybe...perhaps a very good SCCL Champions team would be good? But going to a club that doesnt offer anything beyond that....? Obviously, want to have a good coach. Trying to fig out. Roswell Santos now has NPL FWIW Are they really doing well enough in SCCL to have all their teams move up a level? Is NPL really a step up over SCCLC? |
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Post by datrain on Apr 27, 2024 15:49:24 GMT -5
Yes, in my opinion it is a step up
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Post by newguy on Apr 27, 2024 17:51:01 GMT -5
Yes, in my opinion it is a step up Interesting but not necessarily surprising. Top for top and/or more of a depth thing? |
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Post by datrain on Apr 27, 2024 22:54:02 GMT -5
Bit of context. First year that my son played NPL and he has played SCCL and ECRL. My oldest played DA, ECNL and ECRL.
I can’t speak for every age group, but on what I saw….the top 2 teams could potentially win their age group at ECRL
The next 2 would be competitive in the top half
The 5th place team would likely win SCCL but they are closest to the best of SCCL
The remainder were on par with the top part of SCCL
Again…that is my impression of a single age group on the boys side
It could be very different in other ages
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Post by ibisduck on Apr 29, 2024 9:04:46 GMT -5
Roswell Santos now has NPL FWIW Are they really doing well enough in SCCL to have all their teams move up a level? Is NPL really a step up over SCCLC? SCCLC is = to GPL for the most part NPL = E64 |
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Post by randomparent on Apr 29, 2024 10:00:22 GMT -5
Bit of context. First year that my son played NPL and he has played SCCL and ECRL. My oldest played DA, ECNL and ECRL. I can’t speak for every age group, but on what I saw….the top 2 teams could potentially win their age group at ECRL The next 2 would be competitive in the top half The 5th place team would likely win SCCL but they are closest to the best of SCCL The remainder were on par with the top part of SCCL Again…that is my impression of a single age group on the boys side It could be very different in other ages Looking at the trends happening right now, SCCL-C lost Ambush a year ago and Santos this year with their top teams moving to NPL. Those are big hits to SCCL-C, and both of those clubs really elevated the SCCL-C league. I understand how for some folks this is contrary to what might be expected as we normally think of NASA/GSA/Concord/SSA/etc., but for example Ambush NPL tied AFU ECNL this past fall in a tournament. Even if you believe that is an anomaly, the fact that it happens datrain is not far off from calling out the level of play between leagues. |
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Post by Brinker on May 4, 2024 11:25:20 GMT -5
quick reference guide ECNL and MLS next same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same ECNL can play high school MLS can not (for now) ECNLr and NAL same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same, both can play high school ball NPL, same amount of travel, fees maybe a little less than the above but not by much, can play HS SCCL C - Local teams SCCL Local teams Rec This is a good summary. Coaching and playing time are obviously important and you want an opportunity to be seen. But generally for boys soccer if you can play ECNL or MLSNext then that is the best path for college soccer and further advancement in the sport if that is desired. |
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Post by soccerrivals on May 6, 2024 9:58:38 GMT -5
quick reference guide ECNL and MLS next same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same ECNL can play high school MLS can not (for now) ECNLr and NAL same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same, both can play high school ball NPL, same amount of travel, fees maybe a little less than the above but not by much, can play HS SCCL C - Local teams SCCL Local teams Rec Heard UFA is going to have some NL teams. Where would you put NL level in the above pyramid? Is it the same level as NPL? One of our friends used to play at NL on west coast (California) and he said NL there sucked. He ended up moving up to ECNL and then MLS Next. Their club has both ECNL and MLS Next teams. MLS Next is the top team, and ECNL is the 2nd team. |
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Post by mamadona on May 6, 2024 10:58:49 GMT -5
Bit of context. First year that my son played NPL and he has played SCCL and ECRL. My oldest played DA, ECNL and ECRL. I can’t speak for every age group, but on what I saw….the top 2 teams could potentially win their age group at ECRL The next 2 would be competitive in the top half The 5th place team would likely win SCCL but they are closest to the best of SCCL The remainder were on par with the top part of SCCL Again…that is my impression of a single age group on the boys side It could be very different in other ages Looking at the trends happening right now, SCCL-C lost Ambush a year ago and Santos this year with their top teams moving to NPL. Those are big hits to SCCL-C, and both of those clubs really elevated the SCCL-C league. I understand how for some folks this is contrary to what might be expected as we normally think of NASA/GSA/Concord/SSA/etc., but for example Ambush NPL tied AFU ECNL this past fall in a tournament. Even if you believe that is an anomaly, the fact that it happens datrain is not far off from calling out the level of play between leagues. Santos and Ambush teams are still in SCCL. An Ambush (second) girls team got promoted to SCCL-C, there might be others I don't know of. I heard SCCL is adding a few more clubs for next season, not sure what level they will join at. SCCL is not dying anytime soon. Still the best league for mostly local competitive games. |
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Post by bogan on May 6, 2024 11:35:54 GMT -5
quick reference guide ECNL and MLS next same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same ECNL can play high school MLS can not (for now) ECNLr and NAL same level of play, same amount of travel, fees are close to being the same, both can play high school ball NPL, same amount of travel, fees maybe a little less than the above but not by much, can play HS SCCL C - Local teams SCCL Local teams Rec Heard UFA is going to have some NL teams. Where would you put NL level in the above pyramid? Is it the same level as NPL? One of our friends used to play at NL on west coast (California) and he said NL there sucked. He ended up moving up to ECNL and then MLS Next. Their club has both ECNL and MLS Next teams. MLS Next is the top team, and ECNL is the 2nd team. In GA, I would equate it to Reginal League (below ECNL). MLS next here is all over the place so… |
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