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Post by Strikermom on Oct 24, 2014 10:52:15 GMT -5
Is there any rule for inputting players and goals scored.? There are several teams in Athena not recording players goals. Is this a team decision? As a parent wouldn't you want this recorded?
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Post by jash on Oct 24, 2014 11:13:48 GMT -5
Is there any rule for inputting players and goals scored.? There are several teams in Athena not recording players goals. Is this a team decision? As a parent wouldn't you want this recorded? Team decision. Some say it helps keep opponents from knowing which players to target. Others may just say 'the less you know about us the better'. Still others may simply be lazy  Even worse are those who input it incorrectly on purpose. Then things get really strange. |
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Post by spectator on Oct 24, 2014 11:22:15 GMT -5
It's a team/team manager decision. The reason you DON'T want the goals in there would be that other teams would know which players to target in games. Our team does not put goals in for this very reason. The only reason parents get pissy about this is because they think that high school and college coaches will look up the data. (and the only parents that get pissy are the ones of the girls who score - if you want to be fair - we should record all assists and tackles so that other players can have their stats in there, too).
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 24, 2014 11:46:14 GMT -5
It's a team/team manager decision. The reason you DON'T want the goals in there would be that other teams would know which players to target in games. Our team does not put goals in for this very reason. The only reason parents get pissy about this is because they think that high school and college coaches will look up the data. (and the only parents that get pissy are the ones of the girls who score - if you want to be fair - we should record all assists and tackles so that other players can have their stats in there, too). Our TM records goals, dont really know the purpose but I dont mind it. Anyone who is familiar with this age group and teams will know who the top scorers/players are, |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 24, 2014 11:48:23 GMT -5
time for an app. ref, coachs or TMs have the app, immediately after the game, information is entered in. digitally signed, posted, done.
no more of this printing game cards etc. the latest game card will always be available. i'll take it a step further, and same app should incorporate digital player passes.
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 24, 2014 11:49:43 GMT -5
time for an app. ref, coachs or TMs have the app, immediately after the game, information is entered in. digitally signed, posted, done. no more of this printing game cards etc. the latest game card will always be available. i'll take it a step further, and same app should incorporate digital player passes. Theres an app for inputing scores only for iPhone, our TM enters the info as soon as game over |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 24, 2014 12:02:50 GMT -5
i had no idea you could enter scores/cards etc using the app!
only used it to see the schedule in the past.
i'm fairly certain you can use the website on your phone to enter info etc. just a little bit more cumbersome, signing in etc. and its not formatted for a mobile use.
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Post by sidelinemama on Oct 24, 2014 12:54:42 GMT -5
I'm with SoccerMom. Everyone pretty much knows who everyone is anyways;)
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Post by Keeper on Oct 24, 2014 13:04:27 GMT -5
time for an app. ref, coachs or TMs have the app, immediately after the game, information is entered in. digitally signed, posted, done. no more of this printing game cards etc. the latest game card will always be available. i'll take it a step further, and same app should incorporate digital player passes. Theres an app for inputing scores only for iPhone, our TM enters the info as soon as game over what is the app called?? |
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Post by SoccerMom on Oct 24, 2014 13:14:33 GMT -5
Theres an app for inputing scores only for iPhone, our TM enters the info as soon as game over what is the app called?? Its the affinity app...not sure whats its called i have an android lol but theres a link on the gasoccer website scores page for it |
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Post by Strikermom on Oct 24, 2014 15:02:56 GMT -5
You cannot enter scores on the app but can see scores, standings . Glad I started the thread, I figured it was a team thing to have your scores undercover, but if we are playing each other year to year, you know who scores anyway. As a "striker mom" I am a little selfish wanting to see her stats officially.
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Post by stevieg on Oct 24, 2014 16:17:07 GMT -5
Sorry, but how dumb do team managers think coaches are? None of the coaches look at the stats. They know who the best players are on each team. Put the stats and give the kids credit for their efforts. They should also keep goals against records for keepers (says a keeper's parent).
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 25, 2014 7:40:30 GMT -5
Besides the squabble about picking off goal scorers (for recruiting or other potential malicious reasons such as "taking out" a player), there is a very good use for accurately entering the goal scorers...when there is potential age-cheating or other misuse of players (such as re-rostering a player down to a lower team during the season). This would give some documentation. Of course, not all of these situations involve a goal scorer, but could potentially help when there are investigations of such allegations. Card records also help with this (but of course they are required anyway).
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Post by reinalocura on Oct 26, 2014 10:46:13 GMT -5
Disclaimer - I'm a TM and I'm NOT lazy but I am a bit grouchy today. ;-)
I do what my coach tells me to do because it's his team - not my team.
I believe the KIDS will target each other if things get heated. As was said - "everyone knows everyone" and
I can assure you as the parent of a mid-field player and a keeper they DO get targeted. Ask your kids in an open conversation.
Don't lead them - just let them talk. Or better yet - listen to them talk to their teammates when they aren't aware you are around.
(good luck with that part... being near teens without them knowing)
At this age (13+) they are completely aware of the rivalries and the "players." And they ALL want to win. And they are, no matter what level of play, STILL kids and make all kinds of decisions - good and bad. Heck we adults make bad decisions all the time.
That rant being over - let's be real - most of these kids aren't going on to play where it's so important to keep the stats we are talking about. And the ones who are the closest to actually playing at that level are already keeping their own stats. And I'm sure the kids scoring goals remember them very well. It's exciting! (as are the saves!)
/end rant (more coffee being consumed to oust the grouchies!)
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Post by spectator on Oct 26, 2014 15:49:36 GMT -5
Disclaimer - I'm a TM and I'm NOT lazy but I am a bit grouchy today. ;-) I do what my coach tells me to do because it's his team - not my team. I believe the KIDS will target each other if things get heated. As was said - "everyone knows everyone" and I can assure you as the parent of a mid-field player and a keeper they DO get targeted. Ask your kids in an open conversation. Don't lead them - just let them talk. Or better yet - listen to them talk to their teammates when they aren't aware you are around. (good luck with that part... being near teens without them knowing) At this age (13+) they are completely aware of the rivalries and the "players." And they ALL want to win. And they are, no matter what level of play, STILL kids and make all kinds of decisions - good and bad. Heck we adults make bad decisions all the time. That rant being over - let's be real - most of these kids aren't going on to play where it's so important to keep the stats we are talking about. And the ones who are the closest to actually playing at that level are already keeping their own stats. And I'm sure the kids scoring goals remember them very well. It's exciting! (as are the saves!) /end rant (more coffee being consumed to oust the grouchies!) Pour me a cup and I'll join you on the grouch couch - my kid got hurt this weekend and is out for a while. It's always the parents of the kids who scored a goal - be it one or 10 - that want the stats kept. Here's a novel idea, KEEP YOUR OWN STATS and put them in your Christmas cards if it's that important to you. There are phone and notebook apps where you can do that real time while you're at the game. But please be reminded that there are 11 players on the field and the ones who score the goals aren't the only ones performing (says the mom of the defending midfielder who gets beat the hell up in the middle feeding the passes to your strikers). Or as my goalie mom likes to say to the bragging parents of strikers - 'someone has to keep it out of the damn net, too!'. It's a team sport - you want to record every spectacular thing your princess does on the field, do it - video every game and put it on You Tube! End rant - off to ice my kid's knee and get more Advil. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 26, 2014 21:26:28 GMT -5
Sorry, but how dumb do team managers think coaches are? None of the coaches look at the stats. They know who the best players are on each team. Put the stats and give the kids credit for their efforts. They should also keep goals against records for keepers (says a keeper's parent). You would be shocked how many coaches don't have any idea about the teams in their bracket. They play the games and don't think too much about them either before or after. The ambitious coaches know that kind of stuff. Some of them even scout other teams when they get a chance. But there are way more coaches who know very little about their opposition even after being in the same age group several years. Parents tend to know way more of that stuff than the average coach. They also care far more about that kind of stuff than the average coach. Agree. Walked up to our coach before a game early in the season and he didn't even know we had played the same team in a preseason tourney. Kind of surprised how little he knew about each of our opponents. |
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Post by sidelinemama on Oct 26, 2014 22:01:44 GMT -5
You would be shocked how many coaches don't have any idea about the teams in their bracket. They play the games and don't think too much about them either before or after. The ambitious coaches know that kind of stuff. Some of them even scout other teams when they get a chance. But there are way more coaches who know very little about their opposition even after being in the same age group several years. Parents tend to know way more of that stuff than the average coach. They also care far more about that kind of stuff than the average coach. Agree. Walked up to our coach before a game early in the season and he didn't even know we had played the same team in a preseason tourney. Kind of surprised how little he knew about each of our opponents. Was this at the Select Level? I can see that at Academy, but a couple of years in Select and I think most Coaches are pretty aware. |
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Post by stevieg on Oct 27, 2014 6:45:15 GMT -5
Disclaimer - I'm a TM and I'm NOT lazy but I am a bit grouchy today. ;-) I do what my coach tells me to do because it's his team - not my team. I believe the KIDS will target each other if things get heated. As was said - "everyone knows everyone" and I can assure you as the parent of a mid-field player and a keeper they DO get targeted. Ask your kids in an open conversation. Don't lead them - just let them talk. Or better yet - listen to them talk to their teammates when they aren't aware you are around. (good luck with that part... being near teens without them knowing) At this age (13+) they are completely aware of the rivalries and the "players." And they ALL want to win. And they are, no matter what level of play, STILL kids and make all kinds of decisions - good and bad. Heck we adults make bad decisions all the time. That rant being over - let's be real - most of these kids aren't going on to play where it's so important to keep the stats we are talking about. And the ones who are the closest to actually playing at that level are already keeping their own stats. And I'm sure the kids scoring goals remember them very well. It's exciting! (as are the saves!) /end rant (more coffee being consumed to oust the grouchies!) I don't disagree with your sentiment, but if they are going to keep certain stats (along with scores and cards), then they should be put in to the system. If they change the system to eliminate keeping stats, then that's fine. Until they do, we should put in the correct stats the same way that we put in the correct score and cards. |
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