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Post by soccerfan30 on May 23, 2024 7:51:37 GMT -5
Last night at Concorde Fire Central’s U14 Boys Tryouts, SCCL Champions Coach Isac Da Silva offered players positions on his team verbally during the tryout, in front of all those trying out. He then led the selected players to the center of the field and asked their parents to join them. The newly formed team celebrated, smiling and high-fiving each other, while the rejected players were forced to walk off the field right past the happy group. Da Silva went on to discuss his plans for next season and request a Team Manager. Even parents whose sons were selected were surprised that they were not notified privately and given a chance to accept or decline given the financial and time commitments required. Of course the boys who were rejected were hurt and humiliated, with many thinking they will not receive an offer at all because the other coaches are following protocol and calling their parents within the next two weeks. This blatantly violates US Club Soccer’s Players First Philosophy and anyone considering joining Concorde Fire needs to know how poorly run the Club is and what little regard they have for parents and children. Unfortunately just because a person has the ability to coach a sport doesn't mean they have good interpersonal skills or tact. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 23, 2024 8:34:14 GMT -5
Tophat coach filmed a tiktok on the field with his new team the second night of tryouts. Pure class. link? |
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Post by newguy on May 23, 2024 8:40:10 GMT -5
Last night at Concorde Fire Central’s U14 Boys Tryouts, SCCL Champions Coach Isac Da Silva offered players positions on his team verbally during the tryout, in front of all those trying out. He then led the selected players to the center of the field and asked their parents to join them. The newly formed team celebrated, smiling and high-fiving each other, while the rejected players were forced to walk off the field right past the happy group. Da Silva went on to discuss his plans for next season and request a Team Manager. Even parents whose sons were selected were surprised that they were not notified privately and given a chance to accept or decline given the financial and time commitments required. Of course the boys who were rejected were hurt and humiliated, with many thinking they will not receive an offer at all because the other coaches are following protocol and calling their parents within the next two weeks. This blatantly violates US Club Soccer’s Players First Philosophy and anyone considering joining Concorde Fire needs to know how poorly run the Club is and what little regard they have for parents and children. That’s their fifth and sixth teams. They weren’t at all competitive last year so not sure why the spectacle |
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Post by Oceanready on May 23, 2024 9:20:20 GMT -5
I heard that Concorde does not list their coaching projections before tryouts on their website. Are they the only club that doesn’t provide this? I can’t believe that parents have to ask around who the coaches are going to be especially those not familiar with the club. How can you make an informed decision when you can’t see a listing of coaches at every age level. This should be transparent.
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Post by gobirds on May 23, 2024 9:22:24 GMT -5
I'm not a parent that think kids need to be sheltered from disappointment, so I don't really have a problem with offering spots at the tryouts. That being said, having humility and being humble are traits that get lost in the social media generation. A lot of folks would benefit from some self realization that making a team is the beginning of a journey.
There'a probably a gamesmanship/sales aspect to it as well with making the kids feel part of the team already so they're less likely to explore alternatives (especially in the case where it is a 5th and 6th team).
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Post by soccerlegacy on May 23, 2024 9:30:14 GMT -5
I'm sure it hurts, but this sounds like a case of it being a bigger deal that it actually was. I'm sure the boys were excited and "high-fiving" each other and smiling because they are kids, have been under a lot of pressure, and it felt good to be selected. Sorry, but the way you describe it makes it sound like they were on some podium raising a trophy in victory. Could it have been handled more discretely, probably, but I don't think it was malicious or out of the ordinary.
I remember when my kid went to ODP tryouts and at the end they had all the players line up on the sideline. They then proceeded to call out certain players from the line to meet them in the middle of the field. When they finished, they announced to everyone in attendance, the players called will now be the new ODP team for the year. The kids in the center celebrated and the kids still on the sideline had to walk off to meet their parents with disappointment and some tears for the long drive home. Mine was one of the kids on the sideline, btw. It's not optimal, but at least everyone knew immediately where they stood and didn't have to wait for a phone call.
I've also seen in basketball where the coaches at the end of tryouts, had the all the kids sit around and wait as they conferred in a locker room before coming out 5-10 minutes later and hung a sheet with the players that made the team, then proceed to go back to the locker room. The kids had to come over and see if they made it. The ones that did celebrated, and the one that didn't had to just watch as they walked away.
I don't mean to undermine your frustration and feelings about it. It sucks, I know, I've been there (on both sides of it). But it's much a kin to winning a big game as the losing team watches the winning team do their thing. But maybe next time, when your kid DOES make the team, he will be the one celebrating and "high-fiving" others. I only hope at that point, they will have the compassion to let the ones on the losing end know that they were worthy also, and it may be them next time.
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Post by atlantagray on May 23, 2024 9:56:20 GMT -5
I'm sure it hurts, but this sounds like a case of it being a bigger deal that it actually was. I'm sure the boys were excited and "high-fiving" each other and smiling because they are kids, have been under a lot of pressure, and it felt good to be selected. Sorry, but the way you describe it makes it sound like the were on some podium raising a trophy in victory. Could it have been handled more discretely, probably, but I don't think it was malicious or out of the ordinary. I remember when my kid went to ODP tryouts and at the end they had all the players line up on the sideline. They then proceeded to call out certain players from the line to meet them in the middle of the field. When they finished, they announced to everyone in attendance, the players called will now be the new ODP team for the year. The kids in the center celebrated and the kids still on the sideline had to walk off to meet their parents with disappointment and some tears for the long drive home. Mine was one of the kids on the sideline, btw. It's not optimal, but at least everyone knew immediately where they stood and didn't have to wait for a phone call. I've also seen in basketball where the coaches at the end of tryouts, had the all the kids sit around and wait as they conferred in a locker room before coming out 5-10 minutes later and hung a sheet with the players that made the team, then proceed to go back to the locker room. The kids had to come over and see if they made it. The ones that did celebrated, and the one that didn't had to just watch as they walked away. I don't mean to undermine your frustration and feelings about it. It sucks, I know, I've been there (on both sides of it). But it's much a kin to winning a big game as the losing team watches the winning team do their thing. But maybe next time, when your kid DOES make the team, he will be the one celebrating and "high-fiving" others. I only hope at that point, they will have the compassion to let the ones on the losing end know that they were worthy also, and it may be them next time. btw, go to a comparable level youth basketball game (not church league..) but high level youth basketball and compare the spectator/sideline and overall environment to the highest level of youth club soccer..... soccer parents/players are a bit more sheltered |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 23, 2024 10:08:27 GMT -5
I heard that Concorde does not list their coaching projections before tryouts on their website. Are they the only club that doesn’t provide this? I can’t believe that parents have to ask around who the coaches are going to be especially those not familiar with the club. How can you make an informed decision when you can’t see a listing of coaches at every age level. This should be transparent. You would think so but with some clubs that's not the case. |
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Post by soccerfan30 on May 23, 2024 10:56:20 GMT -5
We all recognize that "life has a scoreboard" and young kids/teens need to develop psychological resiliency in dealing with adversity/obstacles. That being said coaches also need to understand their target audience in dealing with tryouts. How you handle tryouts with U12/U13 players might not be the same in dealing with HS aged players. I've seen coaches post a tryout list on the clubhouse wall with all the players rushing to see if their name was on it, dealing with the outcome when they see their name not on the list and left in tears in front of the entire group. I've also seen coaches announce the names in front of the entire group on the last night of tryouts for U12 and U13 kids.
It's a difficult time for everyone: coaches, players and parents alike. I believe some understanding and tact goes a long way in how you deal with tryouts. We aren't dealing with professionals and it's difficult to temper the blow of not making the team. I also believe regardless of the outcome most will be accepting as long as people are honest and tactful. Many coaches avoid conflict and don't want to be held accountable for their choices so it's just easier to tell the kid at the field.
Many clubs just have a template form that goes out notifying if a player was accepted or not, I think it some ways that's better because it saves the players the public rejection. Prior to moving to Academy I would call the parents directly and let them know if their player made the team or not. It wasn't easy to have those conversations but if the players were brave enough to go through the process then I owed them a phone call and have those tough conversations if needed.
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Post by bananarama on May 23, 2024 11:46:38 GMT -5
I would never want my child to be coached by a person who handles tryouts this way. Absolutely immature and unprofessional. All of the teams we have been part of have either emailed or called us with discretion. You can even look to the national teams and how they handle tryouts for the best examples- they don't even tell professional soccer athletes in this way. What is this world coming to to make children feel shamed? It's trash.
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Post by cluelessparents on May 23, 2024 12:59:52 GMT -5
I heard that Concorde does not list their coaching projections before tryouts on their website. Are they the only club that doesn’t provide this? I can’t believe that parents have to ask around who the coaches are going to be especially those not familiar with the club. How can you make an informed decision when you can’t see a listing of coaches at every age level. This should be transparent. It’s Concorde. They are very proud of themselves. They think people go there just because of who they are. |
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Post by trollfather on May 23, 2024 17:47:50 GMT -5
I heard that Concorde does not list their coaching projections before tryouts on their website. Are they the only club that doesn’t provide this? I can’t believe that parents have to ask around who the coaches are going to be especially those not familiar with the club. How can you make an informed decision when you can’t see a listing of coaches at every age level. This should be transparent. It’s Concorde. They are very proud of themselves. They think people go there just because of who they are. Indeed. Anyone know what ever became of this? Trial? Settle? caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ga-court-of-appeals/2067752.html |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 23, 2024 18:06:24 GMT -5
Interesting that the suit also had to do with James Harris and a player. Different issue maybe, but still worrisome. |
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Post by southernsoccer on May 23, 2024 20:46:42 GMT -5
Interesting that the suit also had to do with James Harris and a player. Different issue maybe, but still worrisome. I was surprised but it seems like Harris did the right thing in this case...Crazy case! |
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 23, 2024 21:17:18 GMT -5
Interesting that the suit also had to do with James Harris and a player. Different issue maybe, but still worrisome. I was surprised but it seems like Harris did the right thing in this case...Crazy case! Maybe. Hard to know without more info and it is not our business to know this young girl’s choices. |
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Post by rookiemom on May 24, 2024 11:27:12 GMT -5
Fulton county records indicate that a settlement was reached in 2021 and it appears that the record was sealed. |
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Post by atlantagray on May 24, 2024 11:47:32 GMT -5
I feel like a dog chasing his tail with these rumors flying around with nothing but inuendo and hearsay as answers, but I'll still ask;
I heard Alan Woods (former UFA coach who just moved to Concorde,) used to work at Concorde around that same time that James Harris was there. I don't know the circumstances under which Alan Woods left Concorde.
Fast forward to now, James Harris moves to UFA and not to soon after, Alan Woods leaves UFA where James Harris is again running things.
Is there a connection there?
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Post by chef on May 24, 2024 13:19:13 GMT -5
I feel like a dog chasing his tail with these rumors flying around with nothing but inuendo and hearsay as answers, but I'll still ask; I heard Alan Woods (former UFA coach who just moved to Concorde,) used to work at Concorde around that same time that James Harris was there. I don't know the circumstances under which Alan Woods left Concorde. Fast forward to now, James Harris moves to UFA and not to soon after, Alan Woods leaves UFA where James Harris is again running things. Is there a connection there? Well, to complicate it a bit more, both Gil and Alan left Concorde shortly after ecnl director Garvin Quamina joined Concorde, as well as their return lines up with his departure to go to FC Prime this year  |
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Post by atlantagray on May 24, 2024 13:29:30 GMT -5
I feel like a dog chasing his tail with these rumors flying around with nothing but inuendo and hearsay as answers, but I'll still ask; I heard Alan Woods (former UFA coach who just moved to Concorde,) used to work at Concorde around that same time that James Harris was there. I don't know the circumstances under which Alan Woods left Concorde. Fast forward to now, James Harris moves to UFA and not to soon after, Alan Woods leaves UFA where James Harris is again running things. Is there a connection there? Well, to complicate it a bit more, both Gil and Alan left Concorde shortly after ecnl director Garvin Quamina joined Concorde, as well as their return lines up with his departure to go to FC Prime this year hmmmmmmm the plot thickens!! 😂 |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 30, 2024 8:14:23 GMT -5
Last night at Concorde Fire Central’s U14 Boys Tryouts, SCCL Champions Coach Isac Da Silva offered players positions on his team verbally during the tryout, in front of all those trying out. He then led the selected players to the center of the field and asked their parents to join them. The newly formed team celebrated, smiling and high-fiving each other, while the rejected players were forced to walk off the field right past the happy group. Da Silva went on to discuss his plans for next season and request a Team Manager. Even parents whose sons were selected were surprised that they were not notified privately and given a chance to accept or decline given the financial and time commitments required. Of course the boys who were rejected were hurt and humiliated, with many thinking they will not receive an offer at all because the other coaches are following protocol and calling their parents within the next two weeks. This blatantly violates US Club Soccer’s Players First Philosophy and anyone considering joining Concorde Fire needs to know how poorly run the Club is and what little regard they have for parents and children. Unfortunately just because a person has the ability to coach a sport doesn't mean they have good interpersonal skills or tact. It's unfortunate that the events played out like that if that is the case, but I also wouldn't mark a whole club based on one person's actions. This game is competitive and is only going to get harder and tryouts are not meant to be friendly. It's life lessons. It's not cool how this was handled, but clearly your kid didn't make it, so don't make it about the club. |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 30, 2024 8:18:37 GMT -5
I was surprised but it seems like Harris did the right thing in this case...Crazy case! Maybe. Hard to know without more info and it is not our business to know this young girl’s choices. Harris was NOT directly related to the events that occurred he was only named because he was the Director over the ECNL Program. Ironic, the complaint that was related, 'allegedly,' that they impeded her ability to play and get recruited, but she doesn't even play soccer anymore... |
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Post by Lady Soccer Whistledown on May 30, 2024 8:21:26 GMT -5
Interesting that the suit also had to do with James Harris and a player. Different issue maybe, but still worrisome. Nothing to worry about, Harris was only named because he was over the ECNL program at the time. The owner of the club was named too... |
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Post by atlantagray on May 30, 2024 9:02:47 GMT -5
Interesting that the suit also had to do with James Harris and a player. Different issue maybe, but still worrisome. Nothing to worry about, Harris was only named because he was over the ECNL program at the time. The owner of the club was named too... Right- Concorde parents needn't worry. Is it the UFA parents who need to worry now? |
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