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Post by natlfutbol on May 30, 2024 14:20:42 GMT -5
1. Which organization did you try out at?
2. How was you experience with the tryouts? Rate from 1-10(10 being the best).
3. Do you feel the tryouts were fair?( Were the players technically assessed).
4. Do you feel politics played a role?
5. What recommendations would you propose for a better overall experience for players and parents?
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Post by soccerparentx on May 31, 2024 10:25:25 GMT -5
Hypothetically:
1. One of the ECNL / RL clubs
2. A 5-6 -- Probably could be lower since it was just all roll the ball out and scrimmage.
3. Technical assessment? What? Criteria is Run fast, kick hard, be big
4. Politics are always in play in Pay 2 Play systems
5. Follow Kyle Wilson's strategy and download the Croatian Football Federation manual. Trust your kid's judgement in choosing what team he/she wants to play for.
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Post by soccergurl on May 31, 2024 12:08:56 GMT -5
1. UFA
2. 9.97
3. maybe (no)
4. yes
5. play politics well
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Post by rpsoccer on May 31, 2024 12:40:23 GMT -5
1. UFA
2. 9
3. Yes, passing patterns, possession, small sided games (coaches looking most of the time), and then 11v11 games separated by ability (based on the previous 2).
4. Not sure, but it is well known that in every club there are some politics.
5. Overall, not only UFA. What do the clubs can really evaluate - about new players- in just 3-5 hours? For example, new coach came to X club and pick a kid because kid's performance was stellar at tryouts, everybody else knew the kid was a liability -getting yellow/red cards, missing practices, etc- coach did not listen (not even to previous coaches), eventually the new coach had to drop the kid at mid season (a big "told you" moment).
I think a better solution would be inviting kids to team training sessions, May 1st, come train with the team, if both (kids and coach) think there is match then good, otherwise look somewhere else.
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Post by terimakasih12 on May 31, 2024 13:40:33 GMT -5
Kids tried out at two different clubs. 1Inter 2 7-8 (might be a 10 depending on how it goes for my kids) 3For my younger kid, yes. The coaches watched them do a few drills and then placed them in small-sided games based on ability. The coaches moved around players and each of the teams scrimmaged the other ones at some point. For my older child, somewhat fair. It seemed like the current Inter kids were already grouped where the coaches thought they should be when tryouts began. For instance, my son was new and nearly all of the kids on his field were new. But, I'll give the coaches credit. They moved around a lot of players (including my son) to other fields on the first day based on performance. I actually thought the groupings were pretty accurate by the end of tryouts. 4Probably. I saw the typical parents talking with coaches before and after tryouts. Didn't seem worse than what I have seen at other clubs. 5More communication about what to expect at tryouts. It would be nice to know if the coaches are going to stand around and watch the kids play without giving instructions or feedback. ----- 1Other Club 2Can I give a negative rating? It was obvious after 30-45 minutes at tryouts that this was not the club. Yelling, poor communication, and disorganization. Kid asked not to go back after night 1. Fields were also in bad shape. Nope. 3Meh. Club numbered off players into groups for about 2 minutes and then set new groups. It was obvious the coaches already knew who they wanted once kids went into new groups. Didn't see much movement, especially among new kids. 4Yes. 5Be more welcoming of new kids and parents. It doesn't hurt to say hello or acknowledge someone's presence. Felt very unwelcome. Maybe if my kid was the next Cole Palmer things would be different. |
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Post by youngsoccer787 on May 31, 2024 14:51:14 GMT -5
Kids tried out at two different clubs. 1Inter 2 7-8 (might be a 10 depending on how it goes for my kids) 3For my younger kid, yes. The coaches watched them do a few drills and then placed them in small-sided games based on ability. The coaches moved around players and each of the teams scrimmaged the other ones at some point. For my older child, somewhat fair. It seemed like the current Inter kids were already grouped where the coaches thought they should be when tryouts began. For instance, my son was new and nearly all of the kids on his field were new. But, I'll give the coaches credit. They moved around a lot of players (including my son) to other fields on the first day based on performance. I actually thought the groupings were pretty accurate by the end of tryouts. 4Probably. I saw the typical parents talking with coaches before and after tryouts. Didn't seem worse than what I have seen at other clubs. 5More communication about what to expect at tryouts. It would be nice to know if the coaches are going to stand around and watch the kids play without giving instructions or feedback. ----- 1Other Club 2Can I give a negative rating? It was obvious after 30-45 minutes at tryouts that this was not the club. Yelling, poor communication, and disorganization. Kid asked not to go back after night 1. Fields were also in bad shape. Nope. 3Meh. Club numbered off players into groups for about 2 minutes and then set new groups. It was obvious the coaches already knew who they wanted once kids went into new groups. Didn't see much movement, especially among new kids. 4Yes. 5Be more welcoming of new kids and parents. It doesn't hurt to say hello or acknowledge someone's presence. Felt very unwelcome. Maybe if my kid was the next Cole Palmer things would be different. 2nd club sounds like Nasa |
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Post by messindreams on May 31, 2024 19:19:48 GMT -5
1. UFA 2. 9.97 3. maybe (no) 4. yes 5. play politics well |me tink ufa week tis season| |me tink 9.97 low| |me tink confuse NO| |me tink agree| |me tink always politic, u best| |me tink teasing, me tink u kid do well| |me wish u gl| |
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Post by gasoccer99 on May 31, 2024 21:43:52 GMT -5
1. UFA
2. 7 (too many days)
3. For new players? No
For existing players? Yes. Tryouts are during the season. Coaches know who’s committed who’s not. Who’s physical who’s not. Who’s fast who’s not. Who has skills & who doesn’t. It’s shown over the season for 30 plus games…that’s when it’s decided not on Tuesday night during “tryouts”
4. No
5. Make tryouts 1 or 2 days
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 31, 2024 23:04:20 GMT -5
1. UFA 2. 7 (too many days) 3. For new players? No For existing players? Yes. Tryouts are during the season. Coaches know who’s committed who’s not. Who’s physical who’s not. Who’s fast who’s not. Who has skills & who doesn’t. It’s shown over the season for 30 plus games…that’s when it’s decided not on Tuesday night during “tryouts” 4. No 5. Make tryouts 1 or 2 days Well if you feel politics don’t play a role then you haven’t been paying attention to those who have been in this a long time. Agree on assessment during the year but don’t forget that new players don’t have that chance and there is movement at all levels. Also as a new coach to a team it is hard to evaluate a new group of players that you have not seen before. Also for new players they are evaluating the club as much as you are evaluating the players. Do they like the coach and the other players? Is the level what they (and the parents) were expecting? I agree that for those who make the team that they wanted 1 or 2 days is plenty, but for those who are told no and maybe don’t want the team below them (coaching conflict, disagree with assessment of talent level) they need that extra day to look elsewhere. The system of early ID camps and people going to other clubs’ training sessions has helped the assessment process. It allows for comparison of new players with existing players in the typical training environment. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2024 23:29:17 GMT -5
1. UFA 2. 7 (too many days) 3. For new players? No For existing players? Yes. Tryouts are during the season. Coaches know who’s committed who’s not. Who’s physical who’s not. Who’s fast who’s not. Who has skills & who doesn’t. It’s shown over the season for 30 plus games…that’s when it’s decided not on Tuesday night during “tryouts” 4. No 5. Make tryouts 1 or 2 days Well if you feel politics don’t play a role then you haven’t been paying attention to those who have been in this a long time. Agree on assessment during the year but don’t forget that new players don’t have that chance and there is movement at all levels. Also as a new coach to a team it is hard to evaluate a new group of players that you have not seen before. Also for new players they are evaluating the club as much as you are evaluating the players. Do they like the coach and the other players? Is the level what they (and the parents) were expecting? I agree that for those who make the team that they wanted 1 or 2 days is plenty, but for those who are told no and maybe don’t want the team below them (coaching conflict, disagree with assessment of talent level) they need that extra day to look elsewhere. The system of early ID camps and people going to other clubs’ training sessions has helped the assessment process. It allows for comparison of new players with existing players in the typical training environment. Yes. Agree 100%. I know several players who were promised spots and then told at the end of day 2 there was no more room. Day 3 is so necessary especially the older kids get |
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Post by gasoccer99 on Jun 1, 2024 6:05:25 GMT -5
Can someone expand on the politics involved or give some examples? Are kids who aren’t any good making top teams ?
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Post by newguy on Jun 1, 2024 7:48:21 GMT -5
Can someone expand on the politics involved or give some examples? Are kids who aren’t any good making top teams ? I mean, if you want to let a coach use your beach house a couple of times a year for free it won’t hurt your kids chances come tryout time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2024 8:46:43 GMT -5
Can someone expand on the politics involved or give some examples? Are kids who aren’t any good making top teams ? (some) Coaches are okay with the bare minimum to get a win and act accordingly. I don't feel comfortable saying that a player on a top team isn't good. obviously they can play the game and every kid's trying their hardest. I played for many years and watch so much that I've established the type of player I prefer, so I can't really be unbiased when evaluating. For me if you have a bad first touch and it takes you longer than 1 second to make a decision on the ball I think you're not the best player ever, let's just say that. I'm okay if a player is smaller, if they're better at the game. This is the exact opposite for most coaches and it's not 100% their fault cause that's just us soccer. big, fast, physical. anyway, I'm rambling about all this to say that if a player gets the job done rarely will a coach, especially higher level ecnl coaches, pull the player and swap them out for someone who is better at the game. as for politics in general, it's hard because there's no proof unless you take part or a parent is willing to admit it. I can't prove to you that all the private convos a coach has with a parent aren't about the latest episode of survivor, that the reason someone's kid is playing is because their mom's the team manager, that donating to the club will help secure a spot, or that knowing a current player gets you better looks at tryouts. soccer is a subjective sport and the big guys know that. what? am I gonna argue with someone who's an 'expert'? no. then it will just turn into a "crazy soccer mom" situation. |
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Post by soccergurl on Jun 1, 2024 14:43:46 GMT -5
1. UFA 2. 9.97 3. maybe (no) 4. yes 5. play politics well |me tink ufa week tis season| |me tink 9.97 low| |me tink confuse NO| |me tink agree| |me tink always politic, u best| |me tink teasing, me tink u kid do well| |me wish u gl| |me tink the one tyme I speak regular spanglish u miss it| |me thank u for complement|
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Post by messindreams on Jun 1, 2024 21:37:20 GMT -5
|me tink ufa week tis season| |me tink 9.97 low| |me tink confuse NO| |me tink agree| |me tink always politic, u best| |me tink teasing, me tink u kid do well| |me wish u gl| |me tink the one tyme I speak regular spanglish u miss it| |me thank u for complement|
|me tink u nott normale talk like that| |me berry worried| |me like u spanglish back| |
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Post by futbolhero on Jun 2, 2024 6:38:08 GMT -5
Can someone expand on the politics involved or give some examples? Are kids who aren’t any good making top teams ? I mean, if you want to let a coach use your beach house a couple of times a year for free it won’t hurt your kids chances come tryout time. Let’s hear names. F people and their secrets. This is mostly anonymous if not create a new account and tell everyone. |
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Post by roundballfan on Jun 2, 2024 10:29:32 GMT -5
A few ago a coach dropped several boys at one of the big clubs and added several new kids from outside the club. The new kids weren’t bad, but not seemingly better than the kids who were dropped. We all found out a few months later that the new kids added had all been paying for private lessons from this coach leading up to tryouts and kids dropped had not. That coach no longer coaches so won’t mention his name but many have alluded to that type conduct occurring from time to time. Note that some clubs prohibit that type conduct now b/c of the conflicts and bad look even if it doesn’t factor into any decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2024 10:48:22 GMT -5
I mean, if you want to let a coach use your beach house a couple of times a year for free it won’t hurt your kids chances come tryout time. Let’s hear names. F people and their secrets. This is mostly anonymous if not create a new account and tell everyone. I think a lot of parents would like to name and shame. trust. i would do it in a heartbeat. but there are so many unknowns. a lot of other people on this forum say that coaches all talk to each other. if someone gets wind of who i am or someone else then it's bad on my kids. then you're labeled a high maintenance parent or volatile. after hearing what happened to that parent that sued concorde because her daughter was blackballed at all the other big clubs. some of these situations are specific enough that you might not know who i am but the coaches would. the other families would. the fear tactics work for good reason. and if I'm complaining about the politics then i'm already assuming i'm on the outs. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 3, 2024 15:31:47 GMT -5
1. Two kids at Inter 2. 5 Coincidentally, both boys will have the same coach. My younger one got to stay on top team. The older one has been on the second team for years and stayed the same. Results were fine from that perspective. However, major concerns about the coach. For the younger group, after second day of tryouts (Inter only does two days) he read a list of who he was taking in front of group of kids competing for top team. Boys knew three days before team was announced that they had made the team or had not made the team. With the older one's team, the coach says right off the bat that he's keeping the same team. What was the point of tryouts? And what do those boys that were hoping to move up do? This was very not consistent with the way Inter usually runs things. 3. Not sure with my younger boys' team. At least one quality starter moved down with a fringe player while other perennial bench players stayed up. Again, the coach is new to the age group, so not sure what he is doing. Worried my son might not have playing time with him. Of course no assessments whatsoever for the older boys team when coach starts tryouts by saying no changes to a team he's never seen live. 4. See above. Not sure. 5. It's youth soccer in the states. Scrap the whole system from pros down. I realize 90% of these kids would be playing "grass roots"/Sunday league soccer, but we wouldn't have to pay a quarter as much to be sold a lie. I also realize this will never happen. So update ... offers went out last night. Older son who had been told that entire team would stay the same was moved down--as were a few others. So the coach completely misled the boys during the process. So...I change my rating to a 1. Great job Inter. Can you look elsewhere? Call someone for a supplemental or individual tryout? That kind of stuff is not cool. I know sometimes crazy stuff can be unavoidable but then if that happens at least call. |
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