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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 22, 2024 8:00:01 GMT -5
This should be interesting to follow - how are players are going to be recruited from college etc. is this better for the USL their competition. Seems like if your a bottom NWSL team, will be harder to convince top college players to sign -- its really all about the money, so not sure what their plan is. The worry is some clubs my focus on just specific schools for players etc.... Sorry I forgot to mention that the USL superleague does not have a draft either, free reign for players to sign, but this league is desperate (and actually pretty well attended last weekend) www.cbssports.com/soccer/news/how-the-nwsls-choice-to-eliminate-college-draft-could-impact-the-entire-american-sports-landscape/and a nice summary of other changes -- guaranteed contracts, no trades without player consent: /photo/1 |
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Post by lajolla39 on Aug 22, 2024 9:58:43 GMT -5
I think it's a good thing. At least it puts American and International players on the same level.
It will be interesting to see how NWSL teams choose to recruit from college teams.
All the NCAA changes is putting more and more power into players hands.
The one thing I can see is with NIL there's going to be agents involved at the college level and they'll also likely be involved in NWSL contract negotiations if there's interest.
I bet top players will start joining certain schools to make super teams + for wins and visability + with agents enabling in the background.
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Post by playfromtheback on Aug 22, 2024 10:20:42 GMT -5
I think this is good for the players in the short term, however, I see this being a case of the rich teams get richer and the poor teams get poorer and weaker. At the end of the day I think this will hurt the league. Now if NWSL was to start Youth Academy's and develop their talent I would be all for this.
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Post by lajolla39 on Aug 22, 2024 10:47:24 GMT -5
I think this is good for the players in the short term, however, I see this being a case of the rich teams get richer and the poor teams get poorer and weaker. At the end of the day I think this will hurt the league. Now if NWSL was to start Youth Academy's and develop their talent I would be all for this. If colleges do away with unlimited subs now that rosters are capped at 28 college as a development platform for professional soccer makes a lot more sense. It might even be better than NWSL owned Acadamies because college players can develop and not be under contract with a specific league. Top players would get paid while playing, they'd get a free degree, and they could choose to play in NWSL, USL, Internationally whenever they want. Its going to be interesting to see what happens to D1 D2 D3 etc now that players have to get paid. Will some choose to go down a level because of costs? Will others fist to go up a level because they don't care about costs + just want visability? |
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Post by atlcoach84 on Aug 22, 2024 10:51:27 GMT -5
The draft has been losing steam over the last couple years as teams pivot towards signing youth (HS aged) players more and more, with scouts from the teams scouting heavily at ECNL and GA league events to try to find the next Jaedyn Shaw/Olivia Moultrie. It's still a strange notion, but the coaches I know in the league don't see it as anywhere near as important as it was in years prior.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 22, 2024 10:52:49 GMT -5
agree - overall you have league where only a few teams have had success. I fear this will create imbalance with the haves and have nots.
all top players next year would opt for orlando -- why wouldn't you.
if your a top tier stud, your going to go to the best team vs the worst unless, you have other reasons for playing for the Utah team right now.
Seems like this will create total chaos. and crazy recruiting of younger players. Look for more kids to jump from highschool.
i personally have no interests in watching high school age kids play professional soccer (the moultrie thing rubbed me the wrong way, because I don't think she is anything special). However, part of my problem is there isn't a team in Atlanta, so i don't really have much interest in the league.
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Post by lajolla39 on Aug 22, 2024 10:58:37 GMT -5
agree - overall you have league where only a few teams have had success. I fear this will create imbalance with the haves and have nots. all top players next year would opt for orlando -- why wouldn't you. if your a top tier stud, your going to go to the best team vs the worst unless, you have other reasons for playing for the Utah team right now. Seems like this will create total chaos. and crazy recruiting of younger players. Look for more kids to jump from highschool. i personally have no interests in watching high school age kids play professional soccer (the moultrie thing rubbed me the wrong way, because I don't think she is anything special). However, part of my problem is there isn't a team in Atlanta, so i don't really have much interest in the league. I don't look at players like Moultrie as particularly good however I do think having a 13 year old playing in a professional league shows how pathetically bad players in NWSL are. You don't see 13 year olds in other sports why would women's soccer be any different. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 22, 2024 11:19:14 GMT -5
agree - overall you have league where only a few teams have had success. I fear this will create imbalance with the haves and have nots. all top players next year would opt for orlando -- why wouldn't you. if your a top tier stud, your going to go to the best team vs the worst unless, you have other reasons for playing for the Utah team right now. Seems like this will create total chaos. and crazy recruiting of younger players. Look for more kids to jump from highschool. i personally have no interests in watching high school age kids play professional soccer (the moultrie thing rubbed me the wrong way, because I don't think she is anything special). However, part of my problem is there isn't a team in Atlanta, so i don't really have much interest in the league. I don't look at players like Moultrie as particularly good however I do think having a 13 year old playing in a professional league shows how pathetically bad players in NWSL are. You don't see 13 year olds in other sports why would women's soccer be any different. it's something with soccer -- zero patience. Kids need to play, train and play games. You have to play in games, games are a differently mentality then training. It's just different when it matters in a game. unless a kid is playing real minutes, no reason for them to be in the league in my opinion, especially given its track record with inappropriate relationships. |
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Post by darp on Aug 22, 2024 12:08:57 GMT -5
agree - overall you have league where only a few teams have had success. I fear this will create imbalance with the haves and have nots. all top players next year would opt for orlando -- why wouldn't you. if your a top tier stud, your going to go to the best team vs the worst unless, you have other reasons for playing for the Utah team right now. Seems like this will create total chaos. and crazy recruiting of younger players. Look for more kids to jump from highschool. i personally have no interests in watching high school age kids play professional soccer (the moultrie thing rubbed me the wrong way, because I don't think she is anything special). However, part of my problem is there isn't a team in Atlanta, so i don't really have much interest in the league. I don't look at players like Moultrie as particularly good however I do think having a 13 year old playing in a professional league shows how pathetically bad players in NWSL are. You don't see 13 year olds in other sports why would women's soccer be any different. I mean, to be fair, there was a 14 year old playing in MLS this year. |
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Post by atlantagray on Aug 22, 2024 13:53:46 GMT -5
agree - overall you have league where only a few teams have had success. I fear this will create imbalance with the haves and have nots. all top players next year would opt for orlando -- why wouldn't you. if your a top tier stud, your going to go to the best team vs the worst unless, you have other reasons for playing for the Utah team right now. Seems like this will create total chaos. and crazy recruiting of younger players. Look for more kids to jump from highschool. i personally have no interests in watching high school age kids play professional soccer (the moultrie thing rubbed me the wrong way, because I don't think she is anything special). However, part of my problem is there isn't a team in Atlanta, so i don't really have much interest in the league. I don't look at players like Moultrie as particularly good however I do think having a 13 year old playing in a professional league shows how pathetically bad players in NWSL are. You don't see 13 year olds in other sports why would women's soccer be any different. I don't disagree with your comment about the level of players in the NWSL. But, do you look at other sports? Google Jennifer Capriati or Monica Seles who were at the TOP of their sport at the age of 14. Look at the skateboarders in this past Olympics. Females reach full physical maturity at a younger age than males. So if you look at other sports, it's not at all surprising to see fully physically matured 13 or 14 year old females playing professional soccer. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Aug 22, 2024 14:15:42 GMT -5
I don't look at players like Moultrie as particularly good however I do think having a 13 year old playing in a professional league shows how pathetically bad players in NWSL are. You don't see 13 year olds in other sports why would women's soccer be any different. I don't disagree with your comment about the level of players in the NWSL. But, do you look at other sports? Google Jennifer Capriati or Monica Seles who were at the TOP of their sport at the age of 14. Look at the skateboarders in this past Olympics. Females reach full physical maturity at a younger age than males. So if you look at other sports, it's not at all surprising to see fully physically matured 13 or 14 year old females playing professional soccer. Ok, if what you say it true why aren't more 13 year olds going pro? Or the other side of the coin why are 25+ year olds still playing professionally? To me NWSL seems more like a girls club than a league. Getting into the club is the hardest part but once you're in you can play for a while. Hopefully some of the upcoming NCAA changes + dropping the draft will make NWSL more about ability than connections + who you know (aka $$$). |
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Post by atlantagray on Aug 22, 2024 14:32:41 GMT -5
I don't disagree with your comment about the level of players in the NWSL. But, do you look at other sports? Google Jennifer Capriati or Monica Seles who were at the TOP of their sport at the age of 14. Look at the skateboarders in this past Olympics. Females reach full physical maturity at a younger age than males. So if you look at other sports, it's not at all surprising to see fully physically matured 13 or 14 year old females playing professional soccer. Ok, if what you say it true why aren't more 13 year olds going pro? Or the other side of the coin why are 25+ year olds still playing professionally? To me NWSL seems more like a girls club than a league. Getting into the club is the hardest part but once you're in you can play for a while. Hopefully some of the upcoming NCAA changes + dropping the draft will make NWSL more about ability than connections + who you know (aka $$$). "If" what i say is true.. Was there something in my comment that could be debated other than the conditionally prefaced statement of "it's not at all surprising?" |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Aug 23, 2024 0:17:33 GMT -5
Ok, if what you say it true why aren't more 13 year olds going pro? Or the other side of the coin why are 25+ year olds still playing professionally? To me NWSL seems more like a girls club than a league. Getting into the club is the hardest part but once you're in you can play for a while. Hopefully some of the upcoming NCAA changes + dropping the draft will make NWSL more about ability than connections + who you know (aka $$$). "If" what i say is true.. Was there something in my comment that could be debated other than the conditionally prefaced statement of "it's not at all surprising?" Women do reach full physical maturity younger (and emotional maturity) than males but they aren’t mature at 13 or 14 physically in 99.9% of cases. They may be close to their full adult height but that is not the same as physical maturity. There are still many physical changes to weight, strength, muscle mass, lung capacity, cardiovascular changes, bone structure and other things in addition to the emotional and psychological changes happening throughout the teenage years. This is not to say that young women or men cannot play pro soccer or other sports at a young age. We know that some can and do very well at it. We also know that some do well into their late 30’s. Managing one’s body and mind is an individual task that is a challenge and sometimes takes trial and error. But some get lucky early and have success. I do not have an issue with it if proper protections are in place and if all stakeholders are sure that is what is in the best interest of the child. To each their own. Just treat them carefully. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 24, 2024 16:02:26 GMT -5
Glad the players are getting a say in their destination rather than continuing to have an annual NFL style livestock sale.
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Post by soccerlegacy on Aug 25, 2024 14:45:29 GMT -5
Glad the players are getting a say in their destination rather than continuing to have an annual NFL style livestock sale. That's a bit harsh, IMHO. I see nothing wrong with the NFL draft. It helps create some parity in the league (worst team record picks first). Plus, it is the owners league afterall, and they seem to see it as a benefit to the collective. They have to create a good product for the audience to want to tune in, and if it's the same teams dominating every year because of players choosing who and where they go to, ultimately, fans will turn off the TV because they know there is little to nope hope for their team to ever compete. The players can choose not to participate if they get drafted by a team they don't want, it's a business decision for them as well. The NFL is also not unique in that the have NBA and NHL drafts as well. After their initial contract is up, they can look to go where they want, so it's not a career ending thing for them either. |
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Post by rifle on Aug 25, 2024 20:58:48 GMT -5
Glad the players are getting a say in their destination rather than continuing to have an annual NFL style livestock sale. That's a bit harsh, IMHO. I see nothing wrong with the NFL draft. It helps create some parity in the league (worst team record picks first). Plus, it is the owners league afterall, and they seem to see it as a benefit to the collective. They have to create a good product for the audience to want to tune in, and if it's the same teams dominating every year because of players choosing who and where they go to, ultimately, fans will turn off the TV because they know there is little to nope hope for their team to ever compete. The players can choose not to participate if they get drafted by a team they don't want, it's a business decision for them as well. The NFL is also not unique in that the have NBA and NHL drafts as well. After their initial contract is up, they can look to go where they want, so it's not a career ending thing for them either. We don’t have to agree. I favor an open system to a closed league. NFL (and NBA and MLB) are clearly money printing machines but their dominance is through TV money.. based on commercials. I think parity has no place in sport but I understand the business isn’t going to change. It’s normalized and baked into our DNA at this point. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 26, 2024 8:54:21 GMT -5
Only time will tell, but I don't see how you can get rid of a draft and a standard player allocation system when the league has salary cap like it does, its not really an open market.
MLS can get rid of the draft because its worthless, they don't care about college players -- NWSL, for now still is built on college players -- obviously more and more will continue to jump to the league from high school.
for many bottom players removing the draft is beneficial, you get drafted by a team that really doesn't care, they hold your rights, and then cut you during the tryout phase -- often its too late to jump to another team, because their rosters are full now -- gives those tweener players better odds, kind of like the undrafted nfl players -- often those are better than the late draft picks because they can better chose and select teams that want them.
but for the top players -- will change year to year slightly, but I think you will find it hard for Utah to build and get players in for example. I doubt the league has cost of living adjustments by area, so given some of the salary caps money will go a lot further not being in California for example.
maybe it generates excitement for the league -- don't know, i right now prefer to watch the college game for women over NWSL -- maybe if Atlanta had a team i'd feel differently.
Do they still have youth allocation rights etc, or is that pretty much fair game? if there is an academy does the team hold those kids rights?
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Post by lajolla39 on Aug 26, 2024 9:37:42 GMT -5
Do they still have youth allocation rights etc, or is that pretty much fair game? if there is an academy does the team hold those kids rights? MLS has MLS Next and a homegrown rule. What this means is 99% of the top American players will have some kind of association (or contract) with a MLS club at the youth level. NWSL has nothing to lock youth players down and now dropping the draft gives players a huge advantage. Top talent will be identified at the youth level and be able to play in whatever league wants them. Obviously NWSL doesn't see this as an issue going forward. But, it's definately a risk which could be addressed with acadamies and a homegrown rule. |
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