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Post by gtreferee on Aug 23, 2024 8:47:55 GMT -5
So the first question is would GT ever start a soccer program, well probably not. Expenses and Title IX probably will be the reason it never happens. But thats besides the point today. I think GT could pretty easily become a major power in the ACC and draw a good fanbase just based on the talent in the area and support for soccer in Atlanta. What do you think? Would Tech become a powerhouse if they ever joined NCAA soccer and would they ever do it?
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Post by bolo on Aug 23, 2024 9:01:03 GMT -5
So the first question is would GT ever start a soccer program, well probably not. Expenses and Title IX probably will be the reason it never happens. But thats besides the point today. I think GT could pretty easily become a major power in the ACC and draw a good fanbase just based on the talent in the area and support for soccer in Atlanta. What do you think? Would Tech become a powerhouse if they ever joined NCAA soccer and would they ever do it? Tech hasn't been a powerhouse in any sport for a sustained period of time since like the 1930's. I don't see any reason why all of a sudden that would change if they added soccer. There are a lot of kids that either can't get into Tech in the first place or don't want to go there for a variety of reasons- difficult academics, primarily an engineering school, urban campus bordered by an interstate on one side and a bunch of rough neighborhoods on the other, heavy foreign & out of state makeup to the student body, not seen as a "fun" or "cool" school, etc. That keeps a lot of potential athletes (and students in general) away already, don't see why it would be any different for potential soccer players. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Aug 23, 2024 10:32:29 GMT -5
biggest no brainer is sports -- ga tech needs to add men's and women's soccer -- with the new scholarship rules, this now will never happen.
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Post by playfromtheback on Aug 23, 2024 11:05:12 GMT -5
It would be great if they offer it. However, I disagree that they would become a powerhouse. I just went and looked at Georgia State going back to 2006 for both the men and the women there is a combined 1 conference championship and 3 NCCA appearances from what I could tell. I used them as they are right next door to GT. I would not expect them to compete on the national level, but if all it took was a strong fan base and strong local soccer, I would expect them to be a conference powerhouse. GSU also doesn't have the admission standards that Tech.
Also the ACC is an incredibly tough conference. Based on the current rankings there are 8 men's schools in the top 25, and 7 women's schools in the top 25. The ACC has the number 1 and 2 ranked teams for both men and women as well.
Based on all of this as a start up I think they would struggle to even be a competitive program if they started a new team from scratch.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 23, 2024 14:59:44 GMT -5
So the first question is would GT ever start a soccer program, well probably not. Expenses and Title IX probably will be the reason it never happens. But thats besides the point today. I think GT could pretty easily become a major power in the ACC and draw a good fanbase just based on the talent in the area and support for soccer in Atlanta. What do you think? Would Tech become a powerhouse if they ever joined NCAA soccer and would they ever do it? Tech hasn't been a powerhouse in any sport for a sustained period of time since like the 1930's. I don't see any reason why all of a sudden that would change if they added soccer. There are a lot of kids that either can't get into Tech in the first place or don't want to go there for a variety of reasons- difficult academics, primarily an engineering school, urban campus bordered by an interstate on one side and a bunch of rough neighborhoods on the other, heavy foreign & out of state makeup to the student body, not seen as a "fun" or "cool" school, etc. That keeps a lot of potential athletes (and students in general) away already, don't see why it would be any different for potential soccer players. LOL spoken like a UGA fan maybe? I am a Tech grad. I know that we have won several National Championships in non-revenue sports over the course of 1990-2020s. So for non-revenue sports we have indeed been powerhouses in things like Tennis, Softball, Golf, volleyball, etc.... You are just thinking of men's basketball and football when you state what you just did. I do believe the next sport if they add one would be women's soccer. I remember someone inside the Athletic Association stating that at some point. The likelihood of Men's soccer ever happening would be slim though due to Title IX. I do however think the current President and also the current Athletic Director has gotten a lot of Alumni to start donating more toward athletics recently. We just had a record year in fundraising, and our NIL group has raised a ton of money. That did help us land that 5-star OL commit. I think teams like Tech see the writing on the wall for the ACC in probably 5-10 years (once Clemson and FSU can afford to leave closer to the grant of rights ending as they are not going to win their lawsuits). I think GT is making moves to be good in the revenue sports again and compete in the Top 40 or so of College Football and Basketball so that we can be a valued prize if and when the Big 10 comes calling which it will at some point, but we have to be a hot commodity in those sports at that point. Maybe then soccer might come once the added revenue of being in the Power 2 conference happens. |
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Post by bolo on Aug 26, 2024 10:21:20 GMT -5
Tech hasn't been a powerhouse in any sport for a sustained period of time since like the 1930's. I don't see any reason why all of a sudden that would change if they added soccer. There are a lot of kids that either can't get into Tech in the first place or don't want to go there for a variety of reasons- difficult academics, primarily an engineering school, urban campus bordered by an interstate on one side and a bunch of rough neighborhoods on the other, heavy foreign & out of state makeup to the student body, not seen as a "fun" or "cool" school, etc. That keeps a lot of potential athletes (and students in general) away already, don't see why it would be any different for potential soccer players. LOL spoken like a UGA fan maybe? I am a Tech grad. I know that we have won several National Championships in non-revenue sports over the course of 1990-2020s. So for non-revenue sports we have indeed been powerhouses in things like Tennis, Softball, Golf, volleyball, etc.... You are just thinking of men's basketball and football when you state what you just did. I do believe the next sport if they add one would be women's soccer. I remember someone inside the Athletic Association stating that at some point. The likelihood of Men's soccer ever happening would be slim though due to Title IX. I do however think the current President and also the current Athletic Director has gotten a lot of Alumni to start donating more toward athletics recently. We just had a record year in fundraising, and our NIL group has raised a ton of money. That did help us land that 5-star OL commit. I think teams like Tech see the writing on the wall for the ACC in probably 5-10 years (once Clemson and FSU can afford to leave closer to the grant of rights ending as they are not going to win their lawsuits). I think GT is making moves to be good in the revenue sports again and compete in the Top 40 or so of College Football and Basketball so that we can be a valued prize if and when the Big 10 comes calling which it will at some point, but we have to be a hot commodity in those sports at that point. Maybe then soccer might come once the added revenue of being in the Power 2 conference happens. Ha, yeah, I guess my red & black was showing a bit through my post! But my point still stands, primarily because you & I clearly have a very different definition of what "powerhouse" means as far as a sports program goes. You seem to think being average to above average means you're a powerhouse with some of the sports you cite, like softball & volleyball. Or else you're just making stuff up & hoping no one would bother to check. Sure, Tech has won a few conference championships over the past 30 or so years in those sports, but they've never done anything significant on a national scale. They have won 5 national championships total as an athletic program- 3 in football prior to 1952, plus a split national title in football in 1990, and a women's tennis national title in 2007. That's it. In any sport, ever. So no, they haven't been a consistent "powerhouse" program in any sport in any of our lifetimes, and to just assume they would be really good if they ever were to add women's soccer just because there are a lot of good youth soccer players in the Atlanta area is ridiculous, in my opinion. There are a ton of incredible youth athletes in every sport in the Atlanta area, and yet Tech isn't consistently great in any sport on a national level as it is. To think they would become one of the best teams in the ACC (like you said, assuming it survives), which is arguably the best women's soccer conference in the country already, would be a real stretch. |
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Aug 26, 2024 11:37:18 GMT -5
LOL spoken like a UGA fan maybe? I am a Tech grad. I know that we have won several National Championships in non-revenue sports over the course of 1990-2020s. So for non-revenue sports we have indeed been powerhouses in things like Tennis, Softball, Golf, volleyball, etc.... You are just thinking of men's basketball and football when you state what you just did. I do believe the next sport if they add one would be women's soccer. I remember someone inside the Athletic Association stating that at some point. The likelihood of Men's soccer ever happening would be slim though due to Title IX. I do however think the current President and also the current Athletic Director has gotten a lot of Alumni to start donating more toward athletics recently. We just had a record year in fundraising, and our NIL group has raised a ton of money. That did help us land that 5-star OL commit. I think teams like Tech see the writing on the wall for the ACC in probably 5-10 years (once Clemson and FSU can afford to leave closer to the grant of rights ending as they are not going to win their lawsuits). I think GT is making moves to be good in the revenue sports again and compete in the Top 40 or so of College Football and Basketball so that we can be a valued prize if and when the Big 10 comes calling which it will at some point, but we have to be a hot commodity in those sports at that point. Maybe then soccer might come once the added revenue of being in the Power 2 conference happens. Ha, yeah, I guess my red & black was showing a bit through my post! But my point still stands, primarily because you & I clearly have a very different definition of what "powerhouse" means as far as a sports program goes. You seem to think being average to above average means you're a powerhouse with some of the sports you cite, like softball & volleyball. Or else you're just making stuff up & hoping no one would bother to check. Sure, Tech has won a few conference championships over the past 30 or so years in those sports, but they've never done anything significant on a national scale. They have won 5 national championships total as an athletic program- 3 in football prior to 1952, plus a split national title in football in 1990, and a women's tennis national title in 2007. That's it. In any sport, ever. So no, they haven't been a consistent "powerhouse" program in any sport in any of our lifetimes, and to just assume they would be really good if they ever were to add women's soccer just because there are a lot of good youth soccer players in the Atlanta area is ridiculous, in my opinion. There are a ton of incredible youth athletes in every sport in the Atlanta area, and yet Tech isn't consistently great in any sport on a national level as it is. To think they would become one of the best teams in the ACC (like you said, assuming it survives), which is arguably the best women's soccer conference in the country already, would be a real stretch. Being relevant nationally doesn't necessarily mean National Championships. Being consistently in sports in the NCAA Championships for whatever sport is also big. We have 4 different National Champions in Golf solo match play, one just happened this May. Also our team competition in Golf also tends to always be Top 5 to Top 10 in the country. The baseball team almost always makes the College World Series and is consistently putting players in the pros. Women's Volleyball is consistently in the Top 10 to Top 20 every year nationally as well. Given how small of a school GT is I think they do well for the limited amount of sports they have to begin with. They are furthermore improving in both basketball and football, and I think in the next 5 years or so will be consistently a top 25-40 type team in D1 in both those. I would caveat that until recently UGA was pretty irrelevant in sports as well including Football and Basketball. Don't let those two football championships get to your head there man. Not to mention with pay to play in the revenue sports at this point the Championships don't mean as much because it is basically who can pay for the best team now. That's not to say UGA or any other powerhouse was not already paying their players under the table, because we all know they were and always have. Finally to touch on the ACC again, it's going nowhere and neither or any teams in the next at least 5-10 years. $600-700M is a lot of money to leave and buy back your TV rights to not even have a guaranteed spot because the Big 2 are not interested right now not to mention if they think they are going to get full revenue shares, I got a bridge to sell them. The lawsuits against the ACC will fail miserably and pretty much any unbiased knowledgeable lawyer that has looked at the suits has said as much in media and blogs. |
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Post by bolo on Aug 26, 2024 12:39:16 GMT -5
Ha, yeah, I guess my red & black was showing a bit through my post! But my point still stands, primarily because you & I clearly have a very different definition of what "powerhouse" means as far as a sports program goes. You seem to think being average to above average means you're a powerhouse with some of the sports you cite, like softball & volleyball. Or else you're just making stuff up & hoping no one would bother to check. Sure, Tech has won a few conference championships over the past 30 or so years in those sports, but they've never done anything significant on a national scale. They have won 5 national championships total as an athletic program- 3 in football prior to 1952, plus a split national title in football in 1990, and a women's tennis national title in 2007. That's it. In any sport, ever. So no, they haven't been a consistent "powerhouse" program in any sport in any of our lifetimes, and to just assume they would be really good if they ever were to add women's soccer just because there are a lot of good youth soccer players in the Atlanta area is ridiculous, in my opinion. There are a ton of incredible youth athletes in every sport in the Atlanta area, and yet Tech isn't consistently great in any sport on a national level as it is. To think they would become one of the best teams in the ACC (like you said, assuming it survives), which is arguably the best women's soccer conference in the country already, would be a real stretch. Being relevant nationally doesn't necessarily mean National Championships. Being consistently in sports in the NCAA Championships for whatever sport is also big. We have 4 different National Champions in Golf solo match play, one just happened this May. Also our team competition in Golf also tends to always be Top 5 to Top 10 in the country. The baseball team almost always makes the College World Series and is consistently putting players in the pros. Women's Volleyball is consistently in the Top 10 to Top 20 every year nationally as well. Given how small of a school GT is I think they do well for the limited amount of sports they have to begin with. They are furthermore improving in both basketball and football, and I think in the next 5 years or so will be consistently a top 25-40 type team in D1 in both those. I would caveat that until recently UGA was pretty irrelevant in sports as well including Football and Basketball. Don't let those two football championships get to your head there man. Not to mention with pay to play in the revenue sports at this point the Championships don't mean as much because it is basically who can pay for the best team now. That's not to say UGA or any other powerhouse was not already paying their players under the table, because we all know they were and always have. Finally to touch on the ACC again, it's going nowhere and neither or any teams in the next at least 5-10 years. $600-700M is a lot of money to leave and buy back your TV rights to not even have a guaranteed spot because the Big 2 are not interested right now not to mention if they think they are going to get full revenue shares, I got a bridge to sell them. The lawsuits against the ACC will fail miserably and pretty much any unbiased knowledgeable lawyer that has looked at the suits has said as much in media and blogs. Again, you keep changing your argument and exaggerating the truth (to put it nicely). You said earlier, "I know that we have won several National Championships in non-revenue sports over the course of 1990-2020s. So for non-revenue sports we have indeed been powerhouses in things like Tennis, Softball, Golf, volleyball, etc...." First of all, like I said, Tech has won one national championship ever in any sport outside of football, and that was Women's Tennis in 2007 (17 years ago). So no, Tech hasn't won "several national championships in non-revenue sports", since 1990, or ever. I guess you could be counting some individual champions, like in golf, which is a little strange, but great. Tech has 2 individual men's golf champions in the past 80 years or so- one this year, and one in 2002. They have never had an individual women's golf champion, or a singles or doubles national champion in either men's or women's tennis. In other team sports- baseball, specifically- they don't "almost always make the College World Series"- they've made it 3 times in their entire history (1994, 2002, & 2006). Now, do they make the NCAA tournament most years? Yes they do, but they haven't even made it out of the opening Regional round since 2006 (18 seasons and counting). All of this to say, nothing about Tech's results on the field or on the court would lead me to call them a "powerhouse"- your words- in any sport. You decided to change your argument in your last post to "relevant nationally"- which again, is still probably a stretch. Especially compared to Georgia, who has actually won national championships in a bunch of the sports you cited (that Tech hasn't), on both a team and individual level. Not even remotely "irrelevant", like Tech has generally been. I'll grant you that Georgia definitely underachieves in men's basketball, but Tech does too- I still can't explain how neither team can consistently be good, other than not hiring the right coaches. But in pretty much every other sport, Georgia has been either pretty equal to Tech, or far ahead of them. Especially in the sport that matters most and drives the most revenue and interest for any school- football. And I don't need those two recent national titles to "go to my head" to know that for a fact. I will say it would be nice if Tech could at least get competitive in football again, to add a little spice back into Clean, Old Fashioned Hate. Key may just be the man to do it, who knows. But Georgia is 19-3 in the last 22 vs. Tech, and hasn't lost to Tech in Atlanta since 1999. Some rivalry... |
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Post by soccerloafer on Aug 26, 2024 12:39:43 GMT -5
GT already has a women's club team full of ECNL and other alphabet league players who chose academics over athletics. Not saying they would be ACC competitive, but it would not be a stretch to keep 4-5 local alphabet girls in Atlanta each year, particularly given the low cost of in-state GT with Hope.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Aug 26, 2024 16:35:26 GMT -5
So the first question is would GT ever start a soccer program, well probably not. Expenses and Title IX probably will be the reason it never happens. But thats besides the point today. I think GT could pretty easily become a major power in the ACC and draw a good fanbase just based on the talent in the area and support for soccer in Atlanta. What do you think? Would Tech become a powerhouse if they ever joined NCAA soccer and would they ever do it? While I’m not an alumnus or fan of either UGAG or GT, I believe the impact of Georgia Tech launching a women’s soccer program within the NCAA might not be as significant as some might hope. UGAG currently enjoys a stronger fan appeal and a larger, more established fanbase within the local soccer community. Yet, it’s puzzling why UGAG hasn’t achieved more regional or national success, despite this advantage. The landscape is shifting with the introduction of NIL dollars and collectives, where families are being offered full rides and guaranteed NIL packages. This raises the question: Does GT have the fanbase and resources to compete and attract top-tier talent in this new environment? I will add, however, that in my view, the introduction of a women’s soccer program at GT is long overdue. It would undoubtedly provide a valuable opportunity for academically driven athletes to stay close to home while continuing to play soccer. However, the broader impact on the local soccer landscape might be more modest, primarily serving to retain high-achieving students rather than significantly altering the competitive dynamics in the sport.... |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Aug 28, 2024 13:04:09 GMT -5
The GT Men's Club team has players on it that are college level worthy players as they are ECNL top level players. I can speak to this personally as our kid received 23 college offers including a full ride offer to a recent D1 National Champion. However, once he was accepted to Tech, he made the academic decision as he knew soccer was not a life long career. I would also caution not to use Ga. State as a comparison.
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Post by weltzumerr on Sept 2, 2024 4:11:03 GMT -5
GT already has a women's club team full of ECNL and other alphabet league players who chose academics over athletics. cbd cbg gummies Not saying they would be ACC competitive, but it would not be a stretch to keep 4-5 local alphabet girls in Atlanta each year, particularly given the low cost of in-state GT with Hope. eldfall-chronicles.com/Thanks for sharing that! |
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Post by rifle on Sept 2, 2024 13:57:58 GMT -5
The GT Men's Club team has players on it that are college level worthy players as they are ECNL top level players. I can speak to this personally as our kid received 23 college offers including a full ride offer to a recent D1 National Champion. However, once he was accepted to Tech, he made the academic decision as he knew soccer was not a life long career. I would also caution not to use Ga. State as a comparison. Really good team. I went to see GT play UGA men’s club team last fall - knowing a player on each team who used to play with my own kid. It looks like they take it very seriously but still manage to have a good time. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Sept 2, 2024 16:12:17 GMT -5
The GT Men's Club team has players on it that are college level worthy players as they are ECNL top level players. I can speak to this personally as our kid received 23 college offers including a full ride offer to a recent D1 National Champion. However, once he was accepted to Tech, he made the academic decision as he knew soccer was not a life long career. I would also caution not to use Ga. State as a comparison. Really good team. I went to see GT play UGA men’s club team last fall - knowing a player on each team who used to play with my own kid. It looks like they take it very seriously but still manage to have a good time. You are welcome. Highly encourage parents of younger players to take their kids to a GT game. |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Sept 2, 2024 16:13:13 GMT -5
GT already has a women's club team full of ECNL and other alphabet league players who chose academics over athletics. Not saying they would be ACC competitive, but it would not be a stretch to keep 4-5 local alphabet girls in Atlanta each year, particularly given the low cost of in-state GT with Hope. Thanks for sharing that! You are welcome. Enjoyed many games at the Tech pitch. |
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