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Post by mightydawg on Aug 29, 2024 15:33:29 GMT -5
ECNL released the top 25 boys clubs based on 2023-2024 results. Southeast placed 4 teams on the list.
1) Crossfire Academy
2) Dallas Texans Academy
3) San Diego Surf
4) Pipeline SC
5) LAFC So Cal
6) NCFC Youth Academy
7) Concorde Fire Platinum
8) Florida Premier FC
9) Seattle United
10) Florida Kraze
11) Solar SC Academy
12) Mustang SC
13) NTH-NASA
14) Louisville City Academy
15) SLSG-MO
16T) Eastside FC
16T) VDA
18) Legends FC
19) Rockford Raptors FC
20) FC Dallas Red
21) NVA
22) Pateadores
23T) Davis Legacy
23T) GSA
25) CESA Triumph
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Post by socceristhebest on Aug 30, 2024 11:16:57 GMT -5
Haven’t paid as much attention as I should - is Concorde back on the boys side? I’ll give blassinggame credit, it was always about wining and results. Development is a farse and excuse for losing.
Even after AU came to town, Concorde players were AUs favorite.
The shocker. Where is UFA. It’s not in either list, shows how poorly managed of a club it is. Last year only their 19s were good on the boys side and I know the girls side has a mass exodus of coaches.
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Post by soccerforprofit on Sept 6, 2024 8:24:01 GMT -5
Seems like UFA has gone backwards on the boys side -- ever since DA folded, nothing special and why make the move there. Talent now is staying at GSA and NASA. And to add, UFA's boys program still plays 2nd fiddle to the girls. Their leadership and resources all go to the girls side. Last few years I never saw a single director at a boys ecnl game, that shouldn't be the case.
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Post by soccerrivals on Sept 6, 2024 10:23:05 GMT -5
Seems like UFA has gone backwards on the boys side -- ever since DA folded, nothing special and why make the move there. Talent now is staying at GSA and NASA. And to add, UFA's boys program still plays 2nd fiddle to the girls. Their leadership and resources all go to the girls side. Last few years I never saw a single director at a boys ecnl game, that shouldn't be the case. It seems that recently Concorde has been winning over NASA in most age groups... not sure why. Couple years ago NASA had all the glories. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 6, 2024 12:12:34 GMT -5
Haven’t paid as much attention as I should - is Concorde back on the boys side? I’ll give blassinggame credit, it was always about wining and results. Development is a farse and excuse for losing. Even after AU came to town, Concorde players were AUs favorite. The shocker. Where is UFA. It’s not in either list, shows how poorly managed of a club it is. Last year only their 19s were good on the boys side and I know the girls side has a mass exodus of coaches. This list was based on results in the playoffs in 23-24 season. Even with the UFA coaches that had been there for the last several seasons Alan Woods’ teams could never win championships. He developed players. His players were amazing, but he did not always win. His 2011 team might have changed that because they were beasts, but the rest not gonna happen. Gil’s teams had good chances but didn’t happen. I think the turmoil had its consequences on their results. Now that both Alan and Gil are at Concorde again it will be interesting to see if the winning championships changes. Especially Alan. I have always wondered if the problem with Alan’s teams was something with his style or his personnel (namely players 12-18). At Concorde 12-18 should be better because he is more central to draw from a bigger pool of potential players. |
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Post by soccerforprofit on Sept 6, 2024 14:07:26 GMT -5
Haven’t paid as much attention as I should - is Concorde back on the boys side? I’ll give blassinggame credit, it was always about wining and results. Development is a farse and excuse for losing. Even after AU came to town, Concorde players were AUs favorite. The shocker. Where is UFA. It’s not in either list, shows how poorly managed of a club it is. Last year only their 19s were good on the boys side and I know the girls side has a mass exodus of coaches. This list was based on results in the playoffs in 23-24 season. Even with the UFA coaches that had been there for the last several seasons Alan Woods’ teams could never win championships. He developed players. His players were amazing, but he did not always win. His 2011 team might have changed that because they were beasts, but the rest not gonna happen. Gil’s teams had good chances but didn’t happen. I think the turmoil had its consequences on their results. Now that both Alan and Gil are at Concorde again it will be interesting to see if the winning championships changes. Especially Alan. I have always wondered if the problem with Alan’s teams was something with his style or his personnel (namely players 12-18). At Concorde 12-18 should be better because he is more central to draw from a bigger pool of potential players. yea, well i know you are referring to girls and this a boys thread. the big difference between girls and boys -- regardless of success in post season, UFA is placing girls at top d1 institutions. For many many reasons UFA boys is not. This isn't just a UFA issues, its college soccer issue and a boys ECNL issue. Boys ecnl players are near the end of the recruiting list 1: international player 2: transfer portal 3: international player in transfer portal 4: mls academy kids 5: mls academy kids cousins 6: international players friends brother 7: boys ecnl |
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Post by soccerparent02 on Sept 7, 2024 12:48:19 GMT -5
This list was based on results in the playoffs in 23-24 season. Even with the UFA coaches that had been there for the last several seasons Alan Woods’ teams could never win championships. He developed players. His players were amazing, but he did not always win. His 2011 team might have changed that because they were beasts, but the rest not gonna happen. Gil’s teams had good chances but didn’t happen. I think the turmoil had its consequences on their results. Now that both Alan and Gil are at Concorde again it will be interesting to see if the winning championships changes. Especially Alan. I have always wondered if the problem with Alan’s teams was something with his style or his personnel (namely players 12-18). At Concorde 12-18 should be better because he is more central to draw from a bigger pool of potential players. yea, well i know you are referring to girls and this a boys thread. the big difference between girls and boys -- regardless of success in post season, UFA is placing girls at top d1 institutions. For many many reasons UFA boys is not. This isn't just a UFA issues, its college soccer issue and a boys ECNL issue. Boys ecnl players are near the end of the recruiting list 1: international player 2: transfer portal 3: international player in transfer portal 4: mls academy kids 5: mls academy kids cousins 6: international players friends brother 7: boys ecnl Not sure you can go by this. Kid played ECNL. 10 off his team including him were D1 recruits. 5 currently start D1, 4 have graduated and mine turned down D1 team to D1 team that won NCAA National Championship freshman year to attend top academic university as he knew he wasn't interested in soccer as a career (kid had 23 offers from all divisions). You have no numbers to support this claim. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 7, 2024 14:20:10 GMT -5
I’m assuming your talking about a graduating class high school class from 4-5 years ago?
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Post by soccerparent02 on Sept 7, 2024 18:16:08 GMT -5
I’m assuming your talking about a graduating class high school class from 4-5 years ago? Did you read the posters list? He has some ECNL negative bias. It is laughable. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Sept 8, 2024 5:50:12 GMT -5
This list was based on results in the playoffs in 23-24 season. Even with the UFA coaches that had been there for the last several seasons Alan Woods’ teams could never win championships. He developed players. His players were amazing, but he did not always win. His 2011 team might have changed that because they were beasts, but the rest not gonna happen. Gil’s teams had good chances but didn’t happen. I think the turmoil had its consequences on their results. Now that both Alan and Gil are at Concorde again it will be interesting to see if the winning championships changes. Especially Alan. I have always wondered if the problem with Alan’s teams was something with his style or his personnel (namely players 12-18). At Concorde 12-18 should be better because he is more central to draw from a bigger pool of potential players. yea, well i know you are referring to girls and this a boys thread. the big difference between girls and boys -- regardless of success in post season, UFA is placing girls at top d1 institutions. For many many reasons UFA boys is not. This isn't just a UFA issues, its college soccer issue and a boys ECNL issue. Boys ecnl players are near the end of the recruiting list 1: international player 2: transfer portal 3: international player in transfer portal 4: mls academy kids 5: mls academy kids cousins 6: international players friends brother 7: boys ecnl Yes I thought about the fact that I posted a girls coaches point on a boys thread but previous poster brought up the girls coach mass exodus which was why I referred to it. Boys UFA had not done a great job on the boys ECNL side since it became ECNL instead of DA. It is not special as ECNL. Everyone else had that. DA was something different as that was spread out more evenly around metro Atlanta at the time and people were picking their poison depending on what their child wanted. UFA put players into excellent D1 schools, way better on the boys side, when they were DA. Now on girls side side they were 4th in ATL when they were DA and far from CF,NTH but as ECNL it is way closer. So league, gender, coaching, location, leadership all matter |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 9, 2024 10:10:09 GMT -5
yea, I'm sure soccerforprofit was just being funny and trolling, it is the internet... However, just like "the oracle" stated, once DA folded, things changed drastically. As much as it pains me, to get seen by the big boys, you need to play the big boys and compete. Perception is everything, go to any ECNL showcase, the most coaches are at the top 1-3 teams games, especially on game 1. The other issue is again is perception, if your in a "town" with an MLS academy, D1 coaches assume your inferior if your not at an MLS club. yes, there are exceptions of course, but it's true -- many other cities with lower quality teams are sending kids to top level programs -- Birmingham is an example -- not sure how they are doing it. Their u19s last season were way below average -- but for the 2024 class they had kids sign with Michigan State, Wake, Memphis, USF, Liberty and Mercer commit. (they had many others go to other smaller schools as well). Pretty impressive list for team that I don't think historically ever qualified for nationals |
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Post by guerillaman on Sept 9, 2024 11:00:44 GMT -5
yea, I'm sure soccerforprofit was just being funny and trolling, it is the internet... However, just like "the oracle" stated, once DA folded, things changed drastically. As much as it pains me, to get seen by the big boys, you need to play the big boys and compete. Perception is everything, go to any ECNL showcase, the most coaches are at the top 1-3 teams games, especially on game 1. The other issue is again is perception, if your in a "town" with an MLS academy, D1 coaches assume your inferior if your not at an MLS club. yes, there are exceptions of course, but it's true -- many other cities with lower quality teams are sending kids to top level programs -- Birmingham is an example -- not sure how they are doing it. Their u19s last season were way below average -- but for the 2024 class they had kids sign with Michigan State, Wake, Memphis, USF, Liberty and Mercer commit. (they had many others go to other smaller schools as well). Pretty impressive list for team that I don't think historically ever qualified for nationals Wow -- that is impressive for sure -- found this: www.birminghamunited.com/recruiting-class/They do a better job sending boys to top schools then NASA, UFA and Concorde combined! A kid signed with Clemson last year! |
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Post by blu on Sept 9, 2024 13:19:37 GMT -5
Are these players playing or are they permanent practice squad members? Going to a "Big" soccer school should not be the goal IMO although I know others feel different.
The transfer portal has really affected the boys side. Players prove themselves at smaller D1/D2 schools for a year or two then transfer to the bigger D1 schools (if there is room from all the 24 year old internationals).
I've always told my son to pick a school you like that you will get to play at. Playing for 4 years is way better than playing for 1 or 2 and being a practice squad player the rest of the time. I mean how many of these D1 players will actually make it to the pros? NOT many percentage wise even from the top college teams.
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Post by guerillaman on Sept 9, 2024 13:46:45 GMT -5
But I think the point by the other poster was this:
The 02 team at UFA, class of 2020 I believe sent kids to the following schools. The played DA I think for all years but their senior year.
Wake
UNC (team captain)
Georgetown
Dartmouth
Depaul (now Oregon state)
Virginia
1 left for Concorde, then AU, went to Duke and now Ga State
point is that now, ACC schools are not recruiting kids from UFAs top boys teams anymore.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 10, 2024 13:35:50 GMT -5
But I think the point by the other poster was this: The 02 team at UFA, class of 2020 I believe sent kids to the following schools. The played DA I think for all years but their senior year. Wake UNC (team captain) Georgetown Dartmouth Depaul (now Oregon state) Virginia 1 left for Concorde, then AU, went to Duke and now Ga State point is that now, ACC schools are not recruiting kids from UFAs top boys teams anymore. Its not even just about the list being D1 above, we are talking some serious quality academic institutions. DA wasn't perfect, but overall it was better for the boys side (besides the high school issue) -- that's speaking from a club that had DA obviously. If your club didn't have DA, good chance you lost kids to DA clubs. DA offered better financial aid for all fees, including travel expenses top to bottom was better competition |
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