maze
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Post by maze on Sept 11, 2024 10:36:05 GMT -5
So I don't have a dog in this fight anymore but this year's list made me really go "Wow". Normally, it is believed that it is made up of the best girls/guys in that position..in that conference..at that age group. Of course, you will see some that made the list because mommy/daddy are team managers or the coaches kid or some other reason but this year looked especially political for the Southeast. And then...this: College Soccer Truth ™ @imcollegesoccer DM: I appreciate the work you guys do because no matter how hard it may be to hear you guys are always honest. Can you tell me who selects the all national and all regional league team awards that are posted by the ECNL? My club coach tells me that the players are selected by other coaches in the league and they have nothing to do with it. -Parent #CSTruth 😆 club coaches are going to hate us on this one. That was a political answer they gave you not to make you upset but the club coaches are the ones who submit the names they want and then the league tries to give every club one name or two per club per age group. It’s not selected by other club coaches 😂 as they make you believe so not to start a riot. It’s basically selected by your coach on the kid they want to be awarded. Now you know the truth. Good luck. x.com/ImCollegeSoccer/status/1829639852565885054x.com/ImCollegeSoccer/status/1829639852565885054 |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 11, 2024 11:05:05 GMT -5
Yea, should be other coaches in the league....
selection for this and those stupid showcase games at showcases should be from other coaches in the league.
When you play teams, its obvious who the top players are, especially when playing them twice.
I do think their needs to be opportunity for coaches to speak on certain players behalf, but I've seen it more than not, it's the coaches favorite player vs the teams best player who often gets recognized.
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Post by lajolla39 on Sept 11, 2024 13:15:03 GMT -5
What is the value for a coach in not picking the best player for something like this?
I get that $$$ under the table might be happening. But what else?
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Sept 11, 2024 13:46:20 GMT -5
I think it is 100% just submitted from the club coach. And I believe each team gets a certain number based on where they finished in the standings. The conference player of the year always comes from the team that won the league I think.
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maze
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Post by maze on Sept 11, 2024 13:53:52 GMT -5
What is the value for a coach in not picking the best player for something like this? I get that $$$ under the table might be happening. But what else? Again...more of a political play sometimes. Seemed to happen a lot this year. And that's not to say that there are kids on that list that haven't earned it but others.....Someone told me that in one of the age groups, the conference player of the year, that no one had heard of them and that they were a bench player so who really knows. |
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Post by lajolla39 on Sept 11, 2024 14:52:52 GMT -5
The other question I have about special awards or groups like this is why give 1-2 spots from different clubs in the league?
If one team is dominate in a regional league just take the entire top team because they're obviously better than everyone else.
This same type of situation happens with league sponsored Talent ID groups.
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Post by footyfan on Sept 11, 2024 16:58:05 GMT -5
Our children play in leagues where club invitations are based on money, marketing & soccer politics, not an individual team's merit. But we suppose player invitations/awards should be based on merit?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 11, 2024 17:06:38 GMT -5
to be quite frank, in my history, the kids invited to special games and who got the recognition were 50% of the time the kids whose parents were up the coaches A**......(sorry for the language).
one kid would make it on merit
kid two made it because his/her parents............
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Post by lajolla39 on Sept 12, 2024 10:56:07 GMT -5
The problem with giving 1-2 spots to each team in league for a special event is you're not promoting the best of the best. You're promoting the best of different teams in a league that is expensive.
As an example both ECNL and GA hold Talent IDs for their league. Each team is given 1-2 invites. Then the USWNT recruiters come to a camp put on by the league that "top" players play in. From events like this USWNT recruiters pick who they think is good.
The problem is the leagues aren't presenting their best players. They're presenting the best players that keep all the member clubs of the league happy.
The same thing happens with all different types of league defined all star teams.
I don't know why the USWNT doesn't just take the entire #1 ranked team + coach and let them be the USWNT for that age group. I guarantee they'll destroy whatever super team USWNT recruiters put together.
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Post by rifle on Sept 12, 2024 18:00:52 GMT -5
The problem with giving 1-2 spots to each team in league for a special event is you're not promoting the best of the best. You're promoting the best of different teams in a league that is expensive. As an example both ECNL and GA hold Talent IDs for their league. Each team is given 1-2 invites. Then the USWNT recruiters come to a camp put on by the league that "top" players play in. From events like this USWNT recruiters pick who they think is good. The problem is the leagues aren't presenting their best players. They're presenting the best players that keep all the member clubs of the league happy. The same thing happens with all different types of league defined all star teams. I don't know why the USWNT doesn't just take the entire #1 ranked team + coach and let them be the USWNT for that age group. I guarantee they'll destroy whatever super team USWNT recruiters put together. I have wondered this many times. If you want the best team, take the best team! But only if it’s #1 ranked at the END of the season. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Sept 12, 2024 19:40:40 GMT -5
I’ve seen all conference lists where bottom team had the same amount of players as the winner of the division.
I’m not saying there cant be great players on bad teams, but at some point teams that win, especially consistently deserve for their players to be recognized.
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Post by diamondmid on Sept 13, 2024 16:04:30 GMT -5
to be quite frank, in my history, the kids invited to special games and who got the recognition were 50% of the time the kids whose parents were up the coaches A**......(sorry for the language). one kid would make it on merit kid two made it because his/her parents............ even worse, there are some directors who veto a coach's selection due to whatever politics are at play in the club... shame something can't just be earned on merit. |
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Post by rifle on Sept 13, 2024 16:17:28 GMT -5
It’s a profit, not merit based system.
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Post by crazzzy4soccer on Sept 14, 2024 6:14:58 GMT -5
There is a lot of issues taking one full
Team and putting them as the usynt- first off bc one team has more talent and “wins” does not mean they have the best individual players. There is a lot that goes into “winning”. Also who is the best team the one who wins ECNL Nattionals or GA Nationals? And this changes year to year…also there already is a prob with DP players at some clubs and if this “super team” became the USYNT team then the DP situation would be more nuts. You can be the best goalie and not play on the best club team due to location etc…. Another note is play ups, if a player playec up on said winning team would they play up on the usynt team too?
This is why USYNT scouts right? ….multiiple games, events etc…not to say that a lot of time selection isnt pure politics versus “best” player.
As for the all conference thats a load of crap bc the conference player of year is suppose to come from the team that won conference. Buttttttt look at the U16 winner which was CF PREMIER. They won but conf player of year went to a player on the Platinum team….
We all know politics, family “involvement” and other non on the pitch nonsense drives most of club soccer.
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Post by lajolla39 on Sept 14, 2024 11:19:31 GMT -5
There is a lot of issues taking one full Team and putting them as the usynt- first off bc one team has more talent and “wins” does not mean they have the best individual players. There is a lot that goes into “winning”. Also who is the best team the one who wins ECNL Nattionals or GA Nationals? And this changes year to year…also there already is a prob with DP players at some clubs and if this “super team” became the USYNT team then the DP situation would be more nuts. You can be the best goalie and not play on the best club team due to location etc…. Another note is play ups, if a player playec up on said winning team would they play up on the usynt team too? This is why USYNT scouts right? ….multiiple games, events etc…not to say that a lot of time selection isnt pure politics versus “best” player. As for the all conference thats a load of crap bc the conference player of year is suppose to come from the team that won conference. Buttttttt look at the U16 winner which was CF PREMIER. They won but conf player of year went to a player on the Platinum team…. We all know politics, family “involvement” and other non on the pitch nonsense drives most of club soccer. You don't understand why teams are #1 in GA or ECNL. Biggest and fastest doesn't beat a team that's highly skilled, well coached, know eachother well, and reasonably gifted physically. Of course US Soccer recruiters and US Soccer itself will tell you otherwise because this is how they get paid. |
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Post by Brinker on Nov 4, 2024 21:33:48 GMT -5
Looking back at the boys U17 and U19 ECNL All Conference Teams in the Southeast, a lot of those boys are already at or are going to some good Division 1 college soccer programs. Seems like college coaches often agreed with whoever made the decisions on these lists.
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