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Post by rifle on Nov 1, 2024 5:28:44 GMT -5
A three person crew isn’t magic. They’re going to miss things. Sometimes you can be looking right at an action and can’t see a punch or kick. Sometimes a collision happens and nobody fouled anyone. And yes sometimes a referee is out of position - maybe it was a fast long ball or maybe it was a 77 year old ref in his ninth game in two days. Even in EPL on Saturdays you can see events in super slow mo that can be argued either way.
When coaches, teammates or parents get wound up… it’s kinda like road rage. No good will come from it.
Keep your head.
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Post by slickdaddy96 on Nov 1, 2024 10:12:51 GMT -5
So your thought your comment was so good you posted it twice?  What exactly is wrong with either of our comments? You do realize that both myself and bolo are both referees (at least I think bolo is as well), and we are both commenting from a frame of mind of being a referee not a spectator. As I said in my comment I am a pretty experienced referee at this point, and I have only seen 2x games as a spectator since being a referee that were officiated so badly (the game got completely out of hand in an older teenage boys game in both instances), that I felt like either there was going to be a brawl on the field or someone was going to get a leg broken or get a knee injury from the fouls and over the top tackles that were happening in the games that were not getting carded and in some instances not even being called because the center didn't see them an the younger inexperienced ARs were not telling him what went on behind the play. This is 2 games out of probably 150-200 games I have watched my kids play in where the referee was out of his element. I already said that I generally don't say anything to a referee when spectating unless it gets to the point above, and even then it is just something like "you need to start handing out cards or this is going to get out of hand", and when I say that I don't care who he hands it out to (my kid's team or the other) he just needs to get control of the game. Do you not think both me and bolo know what a foul is and is not at this point even if spectating our own kid's games? I mean I officiate MLS next, NPL, ECNL level games here. I don't do that without actually being decent at it. For me to actually say something to a referee at this point, it has to be very very very bad. I would agree though in a normal observation standpoint most parents don't know what the heck they are talking about sometimes and are biased if they themselves are not a referee. The fact that you are referees is even more troubling that you would yell or otherwise interject your voice into the game as a parent. If you pulled that on a game I was reffing or observing, I would report you to the assignor and to the SRC. I have nearly 40 years of reffing as part of a lifetime on the pitch. I have never once yelled at a referee or the crew while they are working a game. And the only time I ever said anything as a coach was when a ref on a U8 game tried to force my player to take a contested drop ball after I had made it clear to my players and to the ref that we were not contesting the dropped ball. If you have a problem with a referee's performance, you know who the assignor is and you let them know. If it is a teen and you have some constructive feedback on things like how to blow the whistle effectively or if they are not applying a policy like US soccer's concussion policy, you can let them know in an unconfrontational manner after the game. But you should never ever approach or otherwise engage a referee as a parent who has an emotional attachment to the game the referee is officiating. Also, if you are going to toss your resume out there for credence, I have reffed all of the levels you have and higher including everything short of full MLS and national team games. We will have to agree to disagree, because my aim is not to "yell" as you say to the referee (which I didn't, I just stated in both instances that he needed to get control of the game by giving cards or there would be a fight or someone was going to get hurt in a calm tone). I did feel like if he did not get the game under control someone was going to get hurt either by getting into a fight or getting injured. I was not the only one that thought that either. It was really really really bad. In both those instances, no I did not know the assignor as my kid was playing far away from the metro Atlanta area. So in your opinion I should just shut my mouth and allow someone to get hurt (maybe ending their soccer playing days) or worse have a brawl where someone could also get hurt and then complain about it after the fact to someone?! The time to fix it is before someone gets hurt. It is clear you have never been bad enough to have one of those type of games go down because you likely do call the fouls that need to be called and give out the cards that need to be given out to keep the game from getting out of hand, but I'm sorry I'm not going to have my kid get hurt possibly ending his playing career and costing me thousands of dollars for surgery because you think I should keep my mouth shut. So again we will have to agree to disagree here. |
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Post by soccerdad67 on Nov 1, 2024 13:15:42 GMT -5
The fact that you are referees is even more troubling that you would yell or otherwise interject your voice into the game as a parent. If you pulled that on a game I was reffing or observing, I would report you to the assignor and to the SRC. I have nearly 40 years of reffing as part of a lifetime on the pitch. I have never once yelled at a referee or the crew while they are working a game. And the only time I ever said anything as a coach was when a ref on a U8 game tried to force my player to take a contested drop ball after I had made it clear to my players and to the ref that we were not contesting the dropped ball. If you have a problem with a referee's performance, you know who the assignor is and you let them know. If it is a teen and you have some constructive feedback on things like how to blow the whistle effectively or if they are not applying a policy like US soccer's concussion policy, you can let them know in an unconfrontational manner after the game. But you should never ever approach or otherwise engage a referee as a parent who has an emotional attachment to the game the referee is officiating. Also, if you are going to toss your resume out there for credence, I have reffed all of the levels you have and higher including everything short of full MLS and national team games. We will have to agree to disagree, because my aim is not to "yell" as you say to the referee (which I didn't, I just stated in both instances that he needed to get control of the game by giving cards or there would be a fight or someone was going to get hurt in a calm tone). I did feel like if he did not get the game under control someone was going to get hurt either by getting into a fight or getting injured. I was not the only one that thought that either. It was really really really bad. In both those instances, no I did not know the assignor as my kid was playing far away from the metro Atlanta area. So in your opinion I should just shut my mouth and allow someone to get hurt (maybe ending their soccer playing days) or worse have a brawl where someone could also get hurt and then complain about it after the fact to someone?! The time to fix it is before someone gets hurt. It is clear you have never been bad enough to have one of those type of games go down because you likely do call the fouls that need to be called and give out the cards that need to be given out to keep the game from getting out of hand, but I'm sorry I'm not going to have my kid get hurt possibly ending his playing career and costing me thousands of dollars for surgery because you think I should keep my mouth shut. So again we will have to agree to disagree here. With all due respect, you have two coaches whose job is to articulate their concerns to the ref if they need to. Your sole role in youth athletics is to cheer on the boys/girls. |
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Post by bolo on Nov 4, 2024 9:19:39 GMT -5
Funny enough with this topic still on the board, had an opposing parent get booted off the sidelines of my kid's game on Saturday. The other team's parents thought a few calls had gone against them, then when there was a borderline foul on one of our players that wasn't called, one of the opposing moms apparently yelled something to the effect of, "Those must be blind person glasses you're wearing, because you can't see anything! Are you blind?!" (We couldn't hear it from where we were down the sideline, but the kids on our team that were close to it told us post-game.) The ref immediately stopped play and told her to leave the sideline now. When her husband started to argue, he said he would kick him out too, which I'm a little surprised he didn't, because he continued to talk some from there. I'll be honest, I thought the ref had let the game get a little too physical up to that point, with "no calls" going both ways, but clearly that mom had seen enough- and so had the ref!
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Post by soccerloafer on Nov 4, 2024 16:50:35 GMT -5
We will have to agree to disagree, because my aim is not to "yell" as you say to the referee (which I didn't, I just stated in both instances that he needed to get control of the game by giving cards or there would be a fight or someone was going to get hurt in a calm tone). I did feel like if he did not get the game under control someone was going to get hurt either by getting into a fight or getting injured. I was not the only one that thought that either. It was really really really bad. In both those instances, no I did not know the assignor as my kid was playing far away from the metro Atlanta area. So in your opinion I should just shut my mouth and allow someone to get hurt (maybe ending their soccer playing days) or worse have a brawl where someone could also get hurt and then complain about it after the fact to someone?! The time to fix it is before someone gets hurt. It is clear you have never been bad enough to have one of those type of games go down because you likely do call the fouls that need to be called and give out the cards that need to be given out to keep the game from getting out of hand, but I'm sorry I'm not going to have my kid get hurt possibly ending his playing career and costing me thousands of dollars for surgery because you think I should keep my mouth shut. So again we will have to agree to disagree here. With all due respect, you have two coaches whose job is to articulate their concerns to the ref if they need to. Your sole role in youth athletics is to cheer on the boys/girls. No, my job, ALWAYS, as a parent, is to protect my child. If the appointed authorities - officials or coaches - are not, then it's my job. End of story. |
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Post by soccernoleuk on Nov 4, 2024 18:31:36 GMT -5
Funny enough with this topic still on the board, had an opposing parent get booted off the sidelines of my kid's game on Saturday. The other team's parents thought a few calls had gone against them, then when there was a borderline foul on one of our players that wasn't called, one of the opposing moms apparently yelled something to the effect of, "Those must be blind person glasses you're wearing, because you can't see anything! Are you blind?!" (We couldn't hear it from where we were down the sideline, but the kids on our team that were close to it told us post-game.) The ref immediately stopped play and told her to leave the sideline now. When her husband started to argue, he said he would kick him out too, which I'm a little surprised he didn't, because he continued to talk some from there. I'll be honest, I thought the ref had let the game get a little too physical up to that point, with "no calls" going both ways, but clearly that mom had seen enough- and so had the ref! The mom yelled, "Are you blind under those glasses"? When she left, her husband left as well. His biggest complaint was that the ref was letting it get out of hand and someone was going to get injured. I don't know if the husband was tossed as well, but he left at the same time. The player that kept getting fouled wasn't even their daughter (she wasn't even on the field at the time), so I was a bit surprised they lashed out like they did. I don't know who the dad was that kept going, but he didn't stop the rest of the half. I'm thinking the lady was asked to leave because she made it personal, while the other guy was just bizatching. I agree the ref let it go too far, in both directions. There should have been more fouls called, and even a card or two issued. |
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What exactly is wrong with either of our comments?
