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Post by fan on Sept 27, 2013 9:46:23 GMT -5
Athena A I was 4 for 5 last week (5 for 6 if you count GSA's drumming of AFU that fortunately for AFU will be replayed). We'll see if I'm as lucky this week. Good luck to everyone!
Saturday: SSA/Tophat - As usual, Tophat will be tough to beat. Tophat 3 - SSA 1 Chiefs/CF Black - This is one of the Chiefs few chances to win this season. I don't think they quite have the depth so I'm going to call it a tie. Chiefs 1 - CF Black 1 NASA Premier/UFA - I think UFA will be too strong for Premier. UFA 4 - NASA Premier 0
Sunday: SSA/CF Elite - Should be a pretty even matchup and a fun game to watch. Wild guess on this one: CF Elite 2 - SSA 1
Athena B Last week's picks weren't as good, 3 for 5.
Friday: Inter/RYSA - Weaker showing than I expected for RYSA last week. I'll go with Inter 2 - RYSA 1
Saturday: CF South/AFU - I bet Roswell is wishing they had CF South's (or Rush's) spot in B. They'd be able to put up some stronger numbers. AFU is not too much stronger but I think they'll win 2-1. Macon/UFA - Macon put up a strong score last weekend and UFA hasn't shown that they can score many goals. I'll give the edge to Macon. Macon 2 - UFA 0 Norcross/CF North - Both teams are going to continue to struggle. CF North 1 - Norcross 0
Sunday: Rush/Inter - I'll give a slight edge to Inter. Inter 2 - Rush 0 Macon/CF North - Shouldn't be much challenge for Macon. Macon 3 - CF North 0 RYSA/Ambush - Not too sure who to pick on this one. I think Amush's defense will help them win 1-0.
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Post by zizou on Sept 27, 2013 10:01:18 GMT -5
Why is GSA-AFU being replayed? Sorry if this has already been covered.
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Post by fan on Sept 27, 2013 10:05:15 GMT -5
GSA was up 4-0 with less than 10 minutes to go before being called due to rain. I think the coaches could have agreed not to replay but no way AFU was going to go for that.
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Post by fan on Sept 27, 2013 10:16:23 GMT -5
I'm not very familiar with all the B/C East teams but here's my take on the winners in that group: Roswell vs. any other team - Roswell should win CGSA vs. any team (except Roswell) - CGSA should win TSC - not as strong as their numbers look but will probably finish 3rd. Next strongest - NASA, GSA, Norcross, Tophat (not in any particular order) Next group - Freedom, AFC, Concorde, SSA Gotta fight hard to stay out of last - Chiefs
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Post by jack4343 on Sept 27, 2013 11:24:33 GMT -5
I'm not very familiar with all the B/C East teams but here's my take on the winners in that group: Roswell vs. any other team - Roswell should win CGSA vs. any team (except Roswell) - CGSA should win TSC - not as strong as their numbers look but will probably finish 3rd. Next strongest - NASA, GSA, Norcross, Tophat (not in any particular order) Next group - Freedom, AFC, Concorde, SSA Gotta fight hard to stay out of last - Chiefs Will know how strong TSC is this weekend as my oldest girl's team plays them on Saturday. We've played the exact same team at the end of the year last year but they might have a few new players. We have several new players on our team as well. We lost 2-1 last season at their place but that was 8v8 so it's a bit different 11v11. Then her team has 3 weeks off in the middle of the season. Kinda strange how that works especially since there are no tournaments during that time. Roswell usually does extremely well and Tophat is, well Tophat. NASA is solid and GSA is also usually pretty strong. I was kind of surprised at how Concorde's team in this bracket is not doing so well. Maybe they aren't as deep as some of the other teams. Our girls lost the 1st game against the Lady Freedom club but it was their 1st 11v11 game and I think they've gotten a bit more organized. This weekend will for sure show them where they stand against the stronger clubs.
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Post by fan on Sept 27, 2013 11:38:14 GMT -5
TSC's best defender left this season. If you stop their forward, you should do pretty well (check the Stats for that division on the GA Soccer site to see the name). They had to pull up some U12s to fill out their team. I saw both TSC and Roswell in the pre-season. No question that Roswell is the stronger team.
Concorde North was probably weakened since several of their top players are playing out of Central. GSA got stuck playing the three top teams in the group in their first four games so I'd expect them to move up in the standings later in the season.
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Post by zizou on Sept 27, 2013 13:19:43 GMT -5
A little off topic.
Jack alludes to a really important issue when determining team placements at U13 and predicting how they will do at a particular athena or classic level. Going from 8 to 11 players is increasing the number of players on the pitch by more than a third. Obvious I know. Despite the tactical adjustments, that is a huge requirement on available talent. Teams that looked good at U12 can struggle at U13 because they do not possess the same depth in their club. This can be a real problem for smaller clubs, but can also be an issue for some bigger clubs as well. A team might be able to field a really good U12 team with 7 average to above average field players. Then they need to find not only three more field players to start but additional players to serve as quality subs. A small club that can really only field one quality U12 team, for instance, can be on shaky ground when they go to U13. And even for bigger clubs, look at the difference in rankings between their first and second U12 squads. Some clubs have pretty big gaps, others have 4 teams in the top 50 (Tophat). Not to mention this can be a time when kids start to focus on their other interests, perhaps further compromising teams that had a limited player base to begin with. I start to think it almost argues for the need to have club alliances as one moves to full sided games so that kids have a chance to play at the level most appropriate for them. But this is a discussion for another thread. Barring the need to consider player movement, however, I do think quality of predictions at U13 could be improved by using such information, at last until there are sufficient game performances.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2013 13:34:02 GMT -5
Witnessed this first hand in the past few years. to follow up on zizou, its almost not fair to have some athena B teams that didn't make it in athena A play against bottom B teams. a lot of the bottom B teams had to bring up 3rd team players to complete a roster, hence having top tier players play against 3rd team players is a severe mismatch! Some of these teams should be the 13-15 teams added in athena a. It all works it self out. in my experience, top players and 2nd tier players can play and compete. the gap isn't that great, especially when playing together. but there is a huge huge dropoff once you go down to a 3rd tier player compared to top talent. usually the biggest difference is just how bad a kid wants it and effort. It then comes down to coaching and club philosophy, do you carry 1-3 players to fill out the roster? do you give them equal paying time? I can tell you from experience, when we expanded to 11v11, our bottom 1-3 players were light years behind the top 11. The club takes part of the blame, for not developing more players (the club being only focused on the top 8 girls at u9-u11, vs the top 15 for example). But, on the other hand, their is sometimes only so much a club can do.
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Post by jack4343 on Sept 27, 2013 18:00:33 GMT -5
TSC's best defender left this season. If you stop their forward, you should do pretty well (check the Stats for that division on the GA Soccer site to see the name). They had to pull up some U12s to fill out their team. I saw both TSC and Roswell in the pre-season. No question that Roswell is the stronger team. Concorde North was probably weakened since several of their top players are playing out of Central. GSA got stuck playing the three top teams in the group in their first four games so I'd expect them to move up in the standings later in the season. Yep...they have the top scorer in the bracket. Of course, we have the 2nd highest so it might be quite the battle. Roswell has the 3rd and 4th leading scorers so that shows a nice balanced attack. Our defense is solid and the ball movement has been impressive the past few games. Figured Concorde had players moving to other parts of their club. They are usually quite strong. We've never played a GSA team since they aren't in the friendly alliances with NSA but should be fun to finally play them. We've only played a Roswell team one time that I can remember and it was a loss. Our team has changed from last year as well. Our goalie moved up a level (my opinion is that she is a premier level goalie at any club) but we got a pretty darn good replacement. We've got at least one girl that came from our Rec leagues last year and some from our 4th level team from a season ago but the coach has got them playing well as a team. Definitely need some time to get things solidified though. My daughter I think has finally found a position that suits her perfectly. She plays a defensive center midfielder. She's always had good field vision and excellent passing but just not very aggressive offensively. I haven't seen her happier at soccer in quite a while. She loves playing 11v11.
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Post by jack4343 on Sept 27, 2013 18:06:43 GMT -5
A little off topic. Jack alludes to a really important issue when determining team placements at U13 and predicting how they will do at a particular athena or classic level. Going from 8 to 11 players is increasing the number of players on the pitch by more than a third. Obvious I know. Despite the tactical adjustments, that is a huge requirement on available talent. Teams that looked good at U12 can struggle at U13 because they do not possess the same depth in their club. This can be a real problem for smaller clubs, but can also be an issue for some bigger clubs as well. A team might be able to field a really good U12 team with 7 average to above average field players. Then they need to find not only three more field players to start but additional players to serve as quality subs. A small club that can really only field one quality U12 team, for instance, can be on shaky ground when they go to U13. And even for bigger clubs, look at the difference in rankings between their first and second U12 squads. Some clubs have pretty big gaps, others have 4 teams in the top 50 (Tophat). Not to mention this can be a time when kids start to focus on their other interests, perhaps further compromising teams that had a limited player base to begin with. I start to think it almost argues for the need to have club alliances as one moves to full sided games so that kids have a chance to play at the level most appropriate for them. But this is a discussion for another thread. Barring the need to consider player movement, however, I do think quality of predictions at U13 could be improved by using such information, at last until there are sufficient game performances. Yep, GA Soccer tries to make things as even as possible based on last season but so many things change on the move from u12 to u13. More players on rosters mean girls move up to higher levels and then the team below it has to pull from another lower level to complete their roster. Case in point...our team has 6 new players on it. Some clubs don't have another level to pull from so they end up with players from their rec leagues or even have younger ages playing up. I guess it'll all sort out when the brackets move around in the spring. I think things get easier for positioning once you hit u14 or u15 as the rosters don't move around as much.
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