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Post by spectator on Sept 29, 2013 16:04:17 GMT -5
With 2-4 possible RPL spots made from the Athena A/Claasic I group, do teams still drop down a level or stay and bring up fewer teams from the bracket below ?
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Post by jash on Sept 29, 2013 18:29:44 GMT -5
If I had to guess for this current U14 group, just think of the most logical way it could possibly be done. Then do the opposite :-)
Honestly, though, I don't know. But I know that the process of collapsing two Classic III brackets into one was widely regarded as a complete disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 21:04:49 GMT -5
Same question about u13. Is their movement?
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Post by spectator on Sept 29, 2013 22:16:03 GMT -5
Same question about u13. Is their movement? From experience Bottom 2 at A in fall drop to B Bottom in B/C East/West fall to D Top 1 B/C east/west move to A Rinse lather repeat depending on level |
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Post by pooldawg on Sept 30, 2013 6:02:10 GMT -5
There are currently 4 Georgia teams in each of the RPL divisions for boys and girls. Do teams get relegated and promoted between Classic/Athena and RPL after U14?
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2013 14:16:54 GMT -5
There are currently 4 Georgia teams in each of the RPL divisions for boys and girls. Do teams get relegated and promoted between Classic/Athena and RPL after U14? Yes. You have to earn and keep your spot in RPL. |
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 2, 2013 14:33:47 GMT -5
Looking at the movement from fall to spring last year for U14 Classic (didn't look at Athena)...
C1: Top 4 promoted to RPL; none were relegated.
C2: Top 2 promoted (plus UFA 00 Elite was added); none were relegated.
C3: Top 2 promoted and bottom 2 were relegated.
C4: Top 2 in each bracket were promoted; Bottom team in each was relegated. One C4 Blue team moved over to Red.
C5: didn't look at them
I think I got these right. I thought it was interesting that no C1 or C2 teams were relegated from fall to spring.
I did hear that CFC Red Star initially went to RPL last spring, but they are now back in U15 Classic this season. So spectator is correct about keeping your spot in RPL.
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Post by jack4343 on Oct 3, 2013 8:05:17 GMT -5
Ok...I'm confused on how things work. Let's take for example u13 Athena. They are broken down into the following for the fall...
Athena A
Athena B
Athena C/D East
Athena C/D West
Athena E
Athena F
From what I understand the top two in B move up to A, the bottom two in A move down to B in the spring. Same with Athena E (lose two to D, lose two to F). My questions are this....Athena C/D East/West... If they divide into Athena C and Athena D, how to they decide who is in each group? I'm figuring that one from Athena C/D East moves up to B and one from Athena C/D West move up to B. Also, figuring one from C/D East moves down to D and C/D West moves down to D. What happens to the remaining teams in current C/D that don't move up and down? How do they decide who is in C and who is in D? Thanks in advance!
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 3, 2013 8:15:33 GMT -5
Ok...I'm confused on how things work. Let's take for example u13 Athena. They are broken down into the following for the fall... Athena A Athena B Athena C/D East Athena C/D West Athena E Athena F From what I understand the top two in B move up to A, the bottom two in A move down to B in the spring. Same with Athena E (lose two to D, lose two to F). My questions are this....Athena C/D East/West... If they divide into Athena C and Athena D, how to they decide who is in each group? I'm figuring that one from Athena C/D East moves up to B and one from Athena C/D West move up to B. Also, figuring one from C/D East moves down to D and C/D West moves down to D. What happens to the remaining teams in current C/D that don't move up and down? How do they decide who is in C and who is in D? Thanks in advance! It can be very confusing! I'm guessing they would place the top half of the remaining teams in the C/D brackets into C and the bottom of the remaining teams into D. Just a guess as we never can fully predict what Georgia Soccer will do. |
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Post by spectator on Oct 3, 2013 11:02:56 GMT -5
Ok...I'm confused on how things work. Let's take for example u13 Athena. They are broken down into the following for the fall... Athena A Athena B Athena C/D East Athena C/D West Athena E Athena F From what I understand the top two in B move up to A, the bottom two in A move down to B in the spring. Same with Athena E (lose two to D, lose two to F). My questions are this....Athena C/D East/West... If they divide into Athena C and Athena D, how to they decide who is in each group? I'm figuring that one from Athena C/D East moves up to B and one from Athena C/D West move up to B. Also, figuring one from C/D East moves down to D and C/D West moves down to D. What happens to the remaining teams in current C/D that don't move up and down? How do they decide who is in C and who is in D? Thanks in advance! It's based on how your team performs in Fall. The hardest transition between Academy and Select/Athena is that games count - for and against you. And the placement committee also looks at how you won or lost. Example from last year - there were teams in Athena BC/East who did not win a single game or only managed a tie or a single win. They were obviously misplaced and since the B/C bracket would make up the B and C levels, those particular teams could not compete so they were placed in D for Spring. Only one managed to move back up to C this year - DDYSC so the rest landed where they needed to (or folded completely) What you'll see in Fall at U13 is how DOC's lobbied, lied, or politic-ed (depending on your level of cynicism) to get their teams placed where they did. There's always one odd sock that stands out as being over or under ranked and it gets noticed. So while typically where it's a mixed group - in your case the C/D East - C/D West - the top team in each bracket moves up not the top two. If you want to move up to B, you have to win the whole bracket - and score a lot of goals. Typically coaches who feel slighted by placement try to keep the scores as lopsided as possible to show that they belong in a higher bracket. Look at your results so far - if there's a team winning games by double digits - they're obviously misplaced and should move up. The bottom two teams from B may fall to C - making room for the C/D teams to move up. Then they'll take the rest of the C/D mix from both sides of the bracket and place them as C or D. It usually falls right at the mid point but there may be some unique cases. AT the bottom of each of the C/D brackets, they may take the bottom two in both and move them down to E or even F depending on performance. Last year four teams total in the B/C brackets fell to D. It's odd to me that this year's U13 brackets aren't the same as they've been over the past few years with the A - B/C East-West, C/D East-West. Wonder why they made a firm 'B bracket and split it at C/D? Typically the B and C teams are more closely competitive than the C and D ones. |
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Post by zizou on Oct 3, 2013 12:08:01 GMT -5
This is pretty interesting. Hardly formulaic. Just out of curiosity, what happens to teams at the bottom of E/F who are just getting hammered every match? There are some pretty unfortunate outliers there this year. Do not know if this is typical.
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 3, 2013 12:32:17 GMT -5
This is pretty interesting. Hardly formulaic. Just out of curiosity, what happens to teams at the bottom of E/F who are just getting hammered every match? There are some pretty unfortunate outliers there this year. Do not know if this is typical. I've seem most of those unfortunate teams either go back to rec or just dissolve. |
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Post by spectator on Oct 3, 2013 13:08:50 GMT -5
This is pretty interesting. Hardly formulaic. Just out of curiosity, what happens to teams at the bottom of E/F who are just getting hammered every match? There are some pretty unfortunate outliers there this year. Do not know if this is typical. You'll find less teams at the older age groups for many reasons - this being one of them. After a while, playing Athena F or Classic 5 is just really expensive Rec ball. On the flip side, that's also why you'll find some highly competitive Rec teams at the older age groups, too. For kids who just want to play soccer, it's nice to have that option. Our U13 coach said it starts to even out in Spring of U13 and by the time they're U16, teams are definitely where they should be. Just get through the first Classic/Athena year and it'll work out. |
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Post by jack4343 on Oct 3, 2013 15:44:10 GMT -5
Spectator and pooldawg...great answers and I really appreciate your responses! I guess we'll have wait and see how things end up. My daughter's team is in the C/D bracket and right in mid pack. They have beaten the teams below them easily but lost huge against the top team. Who knows how it'll end up. Teams get off to a good/bad start and then either gel or fall apart. Thanks again!
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Post by spectator on Oct 4, 2013 17:02:20 GMT -5
Spectator and pooldawg...great answers and I really appreciate your responses! I guess we'll have wait and see how things end up. My daughter's team is in the C/D bracket and right in mid pack. They have beaten the teams below them easily but lost huge against the top team. Who knows how it'll end up. Teams get off to a good/bad start and then either gel or fall apart. Thanks again! No problem For what it's worth - there's always one or two teams who got hosed by GA Soccer and are in a bracket they don't belong. They'll get moved up to where they belong quickly. In Spring, it's fairly even and if your daughter's team is about mid pack competitive with the big dogs now, they will most likely end up in the C bracket with a good shot of moving up to B by next fall. In Spring, the top two in C move up (more depending on how many teams may dissolve - this is the age between U13 and U14 when you start to see kids quitting for one reason or another. Best of luck in your first season and in your end of season tournament. We hope to have our team there - still waiting to see if there are coaching conflicts with our coach's other teams. |
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Post by pooldawg on Oct 6, 2013 23:15:43 GMT -5
OK, so I looked at the movement from fall to spring for boys U14 teams in the last 3 years. It does look like the top 4 in Classic 1 get promoted to R3PL and none are relegated. The top 2-4 of Classic 2 are promoted to 1 and none are relegated. The top 2-4 of Classic 3 are promoted, and the bottom 0-2 are relegated. (Last time none were relegated was from Fall 2010 to Spring 2011). Again, I didn't look at Athena just because I only have a U14 son.
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Post by siralex on Oct 15, 2013 11:50:53 GMT -5
Here is how I see Athena playing out at U13 this year, just my SWAG based on results and what I've seen.
Athena A -
Top group: UFA, TH, NASA, SSA, GSA, AFU and CF Elite are battling for State Cup seeds and will all comfortably stay up.
Second tier: NASA P, Lady Chiefs, CF Central and Norcross are battling each other to stay in A.
Relegation Zone: Dacula is in trouble at 0-5 with TH coming this weekend.
Guess, Dacula and Norcross get relegated to B.
Athena B -
Top Group: AFC, Macon, Ambush, GSA Red and TH Navy look like the top group with AFC sitting in the driver's seat for promotion. Enough soccer left though that any of the other 4 could join them.
Second tier: Inter, AFU, UFA Red, RYSA and Rush all look safe and competitive in B.
Relegation Zone: Norcross, SSA, CF North and CF South. Those four are battling to stay up. CF South looks headed for C.
Guesses, AFC and Macon get promoted to A and both CF teams get relegated to C.
Athena C/D East - Roswell, TSC and CGSA are clearly the class of this group. But only one goes up. I'm guessing Roswell is in B this spring.
Athena C/D West - This is a much more competitive group, tougher to call. NASA, UFA Black-Dawson, NWY, and DSC Green could all win this one. I'm taking the winner of the NASA v. NWY match, flip of a coin says NASA.
Figure they split C and D and the two CF teams from B become C teams and are joined by the top half of the East and West brackets. The lower half teams fall into D.
My guess is this age group puts 4 in RPL at U14 - TH, NASA, UFA and SSA.
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Post by soccerenthusiast on Oct 15, 2013 13:01:46 GMT -5
OK MY TWO CENTS WORTH and as an Ambush supporter...
After reviewing stats, it seems that Macon and AFC have had a couple lower ranked teams score on them which is surprising while Ambush has managed to avoid being scored on yet this season. I think Ambush as well as GSA have a strong chance against these teams. Time will tell though and good luck to everyone.
Athena B -
Top Group: AFC, Macon, Ambush, GSA Red and TH Navy look like the top group with AFC sitting in the driver's seat for promotion. Enough soccer left though that any of the other 4 could join them.
Second tier: Inter, AFU, UFA Red, RYSA and Rush all look safe and competitive in B.
Relegation Zone: Norcross, SSA, CF North and CF South. Those four are battling to stay up. CF South looks headed for C.
Guesses, AFC and Macon get promoted to A and both CF teams get relegated to C.
Athena C/D East - Roswell, TSC and CGSA are clearly the class of this group. But only one goes up. I'm guessing Roswell is in B this spring.
Athena C/D West - This is a much more competitive group, tougher to call. NASA, UFA Black-Dawson, NWY, and DSC Green could all win this one. I'm taking the winner of the NASA v. NWY match, flip of a coin says NASA.
Figure they split C and D and the two CF teams from B become C teams and are joined by the top half of the East and West brackets. The lower half teams fall into D.
My guess is this age group puts 4 in RPL at U14 - TH, NASA, UFA and SSA.
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Post by mergatroidskittle on Oct 21, 2013 7:47:32 GMT -5
From what I understand, at least in boys u14 Classic 1, GA is only guaranteed 3 RPL spots. Typically, however, Alabama, or one of the other states will not take all of their spots for Region 3, so GA gets a 4th. At least that is what has happened in the past.
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