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Post by fan on Jan 31, 2015 22:17:29 GMT -5
I had no idea that some teams don't guarantee playing time for tournaments. The coaches my kids have had have always let each player play at least a half in tournaments. I'm glad they haven't taken the opportunity to sit some kids on the bench for most of the game. I think if you make the team you should play at least half.
There are some kids on my older daughter's team who play the whole game and others who play a little more than half. I don't have a problem with that. If coaches don't think a player should play at least half, roster them on a lower team and give them a chance to play up occasionally.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 31, 2015 22:24:41 GMT -5
Agree and disagree.
You put in the time and commitment and attend training as expected then kids should get PT.
However, you don't train regularly, ie miss sessions on a regular basis, joke around then it's completley fair for your playng time to take a hit.
Will say that I'm not a fan of the substations limits at youth games like npl and I think super y have.
But also not a fan of the coach that subs every 5 mins, destroys the momentum of the game. (Taking 11v11, not 6v6 or 8s)
But and again another but. Jash makes a great point for what 80% of the kids - this is their soccer career. It's all about their youth experience and most will not be moving on past the u18 level. Just enjoy it.
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Post by oldoldsocceradmin on Jan 31, 2015 22:48:41 GMT -5
There was some discussion about revisiting this issue while also considering a rule change that would allow players who are not getting playing time the option to transfer without paying their full year's fees.
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Post by jash on Feb 1, 2015 11:22:46 GMT -5
You put in the time and commitment and attend training as expected then kids should get PT. However, you don't train regularly, ie miss sessions on a regular basis, joke around then it's completley fair for your playng time to take a hit. Yes, I should have made that clear. As the rule was written: 530.3f Select: Each player must play a minimum of half a match, if he/she meets reasonable practice participation requirements set by their club/association. and I agreed with the rule as it was written. oldoldsocceradmin said: "The big ones were about playing time and now coaches do not have to play Classic I or Athena A at U15 or older the half game." so I take it the rule changed passed in the watered down form that it only removes the restriction for the highest level Select teams. I'm OK with that as those players are closer to pros, and they can always choose to play at a lower level if they like. |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 13:23:43 GMT -5
There was some discussion about revisiting this issue while also considering a rule change that would allow players who are not getting playing time the option to transfer without paying their full year's fees. |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 13:27:44 GMT -5
I disagree that playing time should be guaranteed. Were looking at only one side that being the players who are not getting playing time. Let's change the focus. How do you justify to the players who work harder to improve and are better that they must sit minutes to allow players who aren't. Again rewarding playing time just BC parents pay sends the wrong message. I suggest those players drop to lower talented teams or rec. Don't punish the top players.
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 13:38:49 GMT -5
Theres no guarantee playing time at tournaments either and parents pay extra $$ for those, I guess they can choose to go or not to go at that point. Also playing with high rostered teams invites this problem. Why are we the only state with this rule? Most of the time tournaments (at least the payment) aren't optional, and I've never been a fan of that philosophy for tournaments either. I'm just not clear on why we insist on treating our youth sports like a professional league when 99% of these kids won't see a single scholarship dollar, and even those who do are highly unlikely to ever earn a single dollar as a professional player. I think it's a step in the wrong direction for youth sports, but I can see that the parents of players on super high-level teams might have a different perspective. Some people call the athena and classic levels "glorified rec". And as insulting as that initially sounds, maybe that really is fairly accurate, in a way. But it's organized, and you pay with similar-skilled players and against similar-skilled players, and you can get a lot out of it. Why change it to be so much less for some kids? |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 13:40:54 GMT -5
Remember you can be a select player at Classic 5. That's a huge difference from C1 and R3PL. Those players are the best players on their high school teams. All make it and play most at 9th grade.
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Post by jash on Feb 1, 2015 14:08:48 GMT -5
I disagree that playing time should be guaranteed. Were looking at only one side that being the players who are not getting playing time. Let's change the focus. How do you justify to the players who work harder to improve and are better that they must sit minutes to allow players who aren't. Again rewarding playing time just BC parents pay sends the wrong message. I suggest those players drop to lower talented teams or rec. Don't punish the top players. There are plenty of minutes to go around to reward the good players. If you had your way, would 11 players play the entire game, and the others sit 100% of the time? If not, why not? Those players were chosen for the team. If you don't want to play them, don't pick them. If you're a coach who doesn't like this philosophy, just pick 11 players for your roster and be done with it. Right? |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 19:13:54 GMT -5
looks like a few new clubs looking for affiliations. are they intending to be clubs with an academy program and/or rec?? New Affiliates The following applications for new affiliations have been received and will be voted upon at the General Council Meeting. Atlanta City FC | YOUTH | Tucker, GA Fellowship of Christian Athletes | YOUTH | East Point, GA Fugees Soccer Club | YOUTH & ADULT | Scottdale, GA Georgia Mountains YMCA | YOUTH | Gainesville, GA Oglethorpe County Rec Dept. | YOUTH | Crawford, GA Soccer Academy CFR Atlanta Inc. | YOUTH | Duluth, GA |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 19:15:34 GMT -5
looks like a few new clubs looking for affiliations. are they intending to be clubs with an academy program and/or rec?? New Affiliates The following applications for new affiliations have been received and will be voted upon at the General Council Meeting. Atlanta City FC | YOUTH | Tucker, GA Fellowship of Christian Athletes | YOUTH | East Point, GA Fugees Soccer Club | YOUTH & ADULT | Scottdale, GA Georgia Mountains YMCA | YOUTH | Gainesville, GA Oglethorpe County Rec Dept. | YOUTH | Crawford, GA Soccer Academy CFR Atlanta Inc. | YOUTH | Duluth, GA |
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 19:19:56 GMT -5
Go watch high level high school or college. I'm not saying they should never play. Top conditioned players need a couple minutes a half at most for rest. Many need none. Once you hot u15 and above players have separated themselves whether by hard work natural ability or a combination. Not all players are equal. We cannot continue to think they are thus they deserve 1/2 a game. Don't forget clubs make money on every player on the team whether they keep 11 or 18.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Feb 1, 2015 19:48:51 GMT -5
It's hard to give a blanket opinion because every situation is different.
Some players might have been told - they were borderline players and they might play less time etc. and they chose to play on the team anyway vs 2nd, third teams.
Other problem is a lot of coaches truly get lost in the game and don't pay much attention to it, and just go with the flow of the game etc.
and. TD pats 14-7
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Post by newposter on Feb 1, 2015 20:18:42 GMT -5
True on both accounts. Some would rather be on top team vs playing on second or start on third. If that's the case sit watch and learn. Use the opportunity to train against clubs best to get better. Perhaps this will provide the development needed to earn additional PT.
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Post by dreaddy on Feb 2, 2015 7:05:54 GMT -5
It was a busy weekend and I didn't have time to come back to this after the AGM. Glad to see all the discussion on the playing time issue.
To me, I like not having to play every player half of every game. Some players are better suited to certain games, so in one game a player may play a lot, but in the next he may play very little. The big thing is to make sure that by the end of the season each player's average time is equal to at least half of each game. This can be especially important in a tournament where you are playing two games in a day. If, for example on day two you have already won your group regardless of what happens in your morning game why not let your "lesser" players play most of the game and use your "studs" sparingly so they can rest for the final? I know it is hard for that "lesser" player to accept the fact that his contribution was to allow the "stud" to rest when he hardly gets to play in the final, but his contribution in that morning game is just as important to the team overall.
It will be very interesting to see how the general direction of the board changes with Susanne Conlon's election. Her "campaign" promise is to move the board from governance to oversight. For the past few years it has been moving in the opposite direction and that is some of what the voting strength by law changes were about. If she can achieve that, the underlying reasons for that proposal will go away. The contention is with the youth, where the board in general has done a lot of overriding of decisions made by youth committees and the elected youth representatives. From what she says, the elected youth reps will run the youth programs, the elected adult reps will run the adult programs and the board will look after the financial health and the overall direction of the association without getting into the nitty gritty on either side.
She was apparently part of the committee that re-wrote the USYS by laws to move them in that direction. Maybe she'll end up doing the same here.
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