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Post by Keeper on Jan 21, 2015 23:08:38 GMT -5
Ok so whats everyone's opinion on the current alliances that are being discussed or finalized?
GSA and RYSA?
Dacula and Lanier?
Chiefs and Tucker?
Heck even us GFC and GSA?
Let's just say Im not thrilled about the number of clubs getting smaller, especially with us all being so close. I would be interested to hear from you all that are at clubs that have gone through recent mergers or alliances. As well as the clubs that haven't.
How has it affected player and coaching recruitment?
Has the rec side improved or suffer?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 21, 2015 23:34:42 GMT -5
Wait didn't the Chiefs form off a spinoff of tysa, which is now part of GOL
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Post by Keeper on Jan 21, 2015 23:38:20 GMT -5
Wait didn't the Chiefs form off a spinoff of tysa, which is now part of GOL I'm not sure where Chiefs came from prior to there Cobb FC East days. And TYSA is pulling out of GSA, they'll be theyre own club again officially this fall. |
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Post by soccergator on Jan 22, 2015 7:55:49 GMT -5
Wow. Didn't realize that was happening.
Didn't they have some combined u13 and above teams?? Are those teams staying with GSA?
Spurs staying with GOL?
Amazing that alianza still hasn't merged with a bigger club yet.
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jan 22, 2015 8:10:32 GMT -5
Wait didn't the Chiefs form off a spinoff of tysa Yes. |
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Post by Keeper on Jan 22, 2015 8:10:46 GMT -5
Wow. Didn't realize that was happening. Didn't they have some combined u13 and above teams?? Are those teams staying with GSA? Spurs staying with GOL? Amazing that alianza still hasn't merged with a bigger club yet. Pretty much GSA took some of top players but the rest left. They didn't take any coaches either. GSA just needed their fields and rec program to help pay for their scholarship kids. It'll definitely be interesting to see come fall when they lose Granite Park and only have their Parkview location. |
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jan 22, 2015 8:27:53 GMT -5
I don't believe the Spurs exist any more? Their main coach left after last year for CCF Central, and his players followed him. The TYSA/GSA merger should be studied by every club that thinks a merger is a good idea. There was a mass exodus of players and coaches after year 1, and now after year 2 we're hearing the merger is over. Luckily in metro Atlanta we have a lot of choices where to spend our time/money for soccer. If a club does something stupid, players and coaches will go elsewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 8:54:02 GMT -5
We came from TYSA and now are with GOL. There's no official word on anything but it's easy to see that this joint venture hasn't worked out very well for TYSA. If managed well it could be really good. Instead there's almost no communication from the club and almost every former TYSA coach is gone. A bunch of players left Granite's academy teams after last year - back to rec or to Chiefs or Concorde. The club hardly supported Triumph Cup wanting teams instead to go to the GSA tourney.
On the plus side, joining the two clubs enabled each age group to have multiple teams. There are more opportunities for moving up. There's a level for almost any skill. There are lots more fields to use. My daughter is on a stronger team than she would have been if TYSA stayed alone.
I believe the joint venture agreement was for two years. It wouldn't surprise me if TYSA didn't renew. It's a great opportunity for TYSA and Chiefs to come back together. Those two are closer together than TYSA's rec fields are to Lilburn. It might split my daughter's team though. We'll see.
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Post by soccerdad44 on Jan 22, 2015 8:58:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it seems silly to have to drive so far to the next mega club to play a game. Having been in both, I think smaller clubs are much better at player development. I think playing on the A/B team on the smaller club gets you much farther down the road than playing on the G team at the mega club. You can develop confidence and leadership at a small club without being a prodigy. I believe this is what will keep kids in the game longer and help them reach their true potential. If you have a prodigy on your hands, perhaps the mega club is best.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2015 9:08:01 GMT -5
Regarding the question about whether rec has improved or suffered, TYSA's rec program is booming. Unfortunately that's partly due to families being reluctant to move to Gol's academy teams.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 22, 2015 9:14:44 GMT -5
love the comments soccerdad44, thats good stuff. agree, there is something special about being at smaller clubs, kids can get great experiences playing on a top team and sometimes helping a 2nd team because they need bodies etc. not every club is right for everyone thats for sure. fortunately the ATL has many options, where has many other communities there is only one option in town. i think the ultimate goal of any club is to have a team at every level - ie, ecnl/da, rpl, national league, npl, athena a/classic 1, athena b/classic II, and athena c/classic III - its alot harder than it seems though. not every club is perfect and none are. all have their flaws and BS. mergers need to take baby steps, you can't overwhelm folks at first, they jumped to quick to make changes etc. needs to slowly occur over time and let folks start to understand the process. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 22, 2015 9:18:50 GMT -5
I have been at a club that has had 2 maybe 3 merges? and so far so good....I think
First merge was Fusion & ASA and became UFA... it was a good merge in my opinion, ASA had a stronger girls program and Fusion had a stronger boys program. They merged all the kids and created better stronger teams.
Second merge might have been more a takeover than a merge? UFA with Dawsonville and they became UFA Dawsonville, I believe it was also a good one, some of the Dawsonville players came to Forsyth teams and viceversa. It opened up the Dawsonville families to have more options
Third or second merge however we look at it, was a true merge like the first one, UFA with NSA, then they became UFA Norcross. This is still fairly new and I haven't seen many players go from one to the other permanently but I have seen players being borrowed, I think this may be due to the locations. The first merge was within the county so the travel wasn't much different.
Only time will tell I guess
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Post by jack4343 on Jan 22, 2015 10:02:24 GMT -5
So far so good as far as I'm concerned regarding the UFA and NSA merge. I think it eventually will help both become a unified and stronger club. It's only one year in and Tony said at the beginning that changes would be brought about slowly and gradually. I do think we'll see much more synergy next year with players from Forsyth moved to Norcross or vice versa to create stronger teams. Also, NSA seemed to be stronger on the boys side of things while UFA was stronger on the girls side and I think they have looked at what they can learn from each to make the overall club stronger. Hey, Tony seems to know his stuff so I wouldn't bet against him in getting all his goals for UFA accomplished.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 22, 2015 10:08:09 GMT -5
So far so good as far as I'm concerned regarding the UFA and NSA merge. I think it eventually will help both become a unified and stronger club. It's only one year in and Tony said at the beginning that changes would be brought about slowly and gradually. I do think we'll see much more synergy next year with players from Forsyth moved to Norcross or vice versa to create stronger teams. Also, NSA seemed to be stronger on the boys side of things while UFA was stronger on the girls side and I think they have looked at what they can learn from each to make the overall club stronger. Hey, Tony seems to know his stuff so I wouldn't bet against him in getting all his goals for UFA accomplished. I agree, I think more kids will shift from one location to another making one stronger as time goes on and kids get older. I also agree about the girls being stronger at UFA and boys stronger at NSA |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 22, 2015 10:30:37 GMT -5
i think in a few years the standard at UFA will be trying to create top teams from folwer and norcross. you just can't rush into it. the biggest problem is the distance between the 2 clubs. that will be overcome though, the club now is and always was headed in the right direction. very strong girls teams with unreal depth and boys teams that are as good as it gets. both teams have some really unreal teams even with DA. it starts with coaching. quality coaching at younger ages. get those little ones exposed, its amazing what little 8s/9s can absorb. don't overwhelm them with talking and tactics, but they can do some impressive stuff. UFA is going to be pretty special in the future in my opinion. between the size and quality coaching, its hard to mess that up!!! MLS will shake things up for sure, might end up loosing staff and players but in the long run you need a core group of kids to develop. will be interesting to see what mls does with the younger age groups < u14 for example, they are going to have to link up with someone........... probably deserves its own thread again, dont' want to hijack the conversation. just thank goodness tophat ( soccerfan30) doesn't have a boys program, we would all be in trouble!!! |
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Post by jack4343 on Jan 22, 2015 10:53:15 GMT -5
Agree with you regarding MLS. It will be interesting to see what will happen. On topic, I think that with MLS coming could create mergers and alliances in order to stay afloat and to compete against any MLS academy or even get strong enough that MLS looks to merge into an existing club. It'll definitely throw a monkey wrench into the Metro Atlanta youth soccer scene for sure!
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 22, 2015 11:57:28 GMT -5
this one is interesting also - Dacula and Lanier?
haven't heard much on this one.
lanier has some quality boys hence why Ga united got them involved.
would be a strange merger in my opinion. both clubs seem to need some help on the girls side.
seems like RYSA should tread lightly given other experiences with GSA merger, but would seem at least for their top girls, the ecnl fruit is dangling there!
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 22, 2015 12:01:19 GMT -5
Havent heard anything about that merger either.... Not sure if it would be a good one? From what I have heard, the Academy program at Dacula is weak but their rec program is great.
Lanier i have always heard they have a good boys academy side havent heard much about girls? And no idea about their rec program.
They also seem very far from each other...im not sure either club would benefit from this merge?
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Post by Keeper on Jan 22, 2015 12:20:53 GMT -5
Yeah Dacula and lanier is more to help strengthen themselves against Afu, UFA and gsa. It'll still have each operating their own academy, rec and select programs but having guaranteed opponents for certain weekends but also allowing players to club pass easier on the older teams. Though nothing is finalized until Gwinnett Parks & Rec signs off on it with dacula using county facilities. Pretty much the same reason GFC hasnt merged with GSA is gwinnett won't sign off with a private club using county facilities.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 22, 2015 13:00:45 GMT -5
Yeah Dacula and lanier is more to help strengthen themselves against Afu, UFA and gsa. It'll still have each operating their own academy, rec and select programs but having guaranteed opponents for certain weekends but also allowing players to club pass easier on the older teams. Though nothing is finalized until Gwinnett Parks & Rec signs off on it with dacula using county facilities. Pretty much the same reason GFC hasnt merged with GSA is gwinnett won't sign off with a private club using county facilities. then how does Norcross do it with Pinckeyville? or is it grandfathered in? And if so how was UFA able to get around that when they merged? |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 22, 2015 13:10:24 GMT -5
not sure about "private club" they are all not for profit.. (i assume)
there is some weird rule, that nobody could seem to find in the past truly documented - that a club couldn't use multiple Gwinnett parks/facilities at the same time. - that could be the issue with gfc and dacula if both are at gwinnet parks
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Post by Keeper on Jan 22, 2015 14:43:23 GMT -5
Yeah Dacula and lanier is more to help strengthen themselves against Afu, UFA and gsa. It'll still have each operating their own academy, rec and select programs but having guaranteed opponents for certain weekends but also allowing players to club pass easier on the older teams. Though nothing is finalized until Gwinnett Parks & Rec signs off on it with dacula using county facilities. Pretty much the same reason GFC hasnt merged with GSA is gwinnett won't sign off with a private club using county facilities. then how does Norcross do it with Pinckeyville? or is it grandfathered in? And if so how was UFA able to get around that when they merged? That's a good question but isn't UFA affliated with Fulton and Forsyth counties?? Thats how I think Dacula and Lanier are trying to get approval since they both are under county umbrellas and oversight. |
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Post by Keeper on Jan 22, 2015 14:44:46 GMT -5
not sure about "private club" they are all not for profit.. (i assume) there is some weird rule, that nobody could seem to find in the past truly documented - that a club couldn't use multiple Gwinnett parks/facilities at the same time. - that could be the issue with gfc and dacula if both are at gwinnet parks Gsa is private as in they own the land across from parkview and don't have any oversight from gwinnett. That's why they aren't allowed to use county facilities at the discounted rate like the rest of the Gwinnett clubs. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 22, 2015 14:47:06 GMT -5
not sure about "private club" they are all not for profit.. (i assume) there is some weird rule, that nobody could seem to find in the past truly documented - that a club couldn't use multiple Gwinnett parks/facilities at the same time. - that could be the issue with gfc and dacula if both are at gwinnet parks Gsa is private as in they own the land across from parkview and don't have any oversight from gwinnett. That's why they aren't allowed to use county facilities at the discounted rate like the rest of the Gwinnett clubs. Ah, that makes sense now!! |
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 22, 2015 14:50:37 GMT -5
not sure about "private club" they are all not for profit.. (i assume) there is some weird rule, that nobody could seem to find in the past truly documented - that a club couldn't use multiple Gwinnett parks/facilities at the same time. - that could be the issue with gfc and dacula if both are at gwinnet parks Gsa is private as in they own the land across from parkview and don't have any oversight from gwinnett. That's why they aren't allowed to use county facilities at the discounted rate like the rest of the Gwinnett clubs. No Fulton... We play in Forsyth, Dawson, Lumpkin & Gwinnett |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 16:12:36 GMT -5
Dear Friends,
Earlier this month, TYSA’s Board of Directors unanimously voted to terminate our business relationship with the Gwinnett Soccer Association (GSA). This will result in the dissolution of the Gol Soccer Academy following the end of the spring soccer season.
TYSA came into this venture with the best intentions – to create an entirely new soccer club. We wanted to create something that would continue TYSA’s legacy of developing young players, but on a scale that would allow every child to play on a level appropriate to their development. More teams would mean more opportunities and a better “fit” for our kids, and we believed that the two programs together could provide a better product than either could alone.
Sadly, things did not work out that way.
Sometimes the whole ends up being less than the sum of its parts. Bigger is not always better, and the program we have created is not of the quality either club has come to expect.
Although good people from both clubs worked hard to make this effort a success, the results simply haven’t lived up to expectations. TYSA can do better, and our club is moving in a different direction.
I apologize for the uncertainty this decision may create. Just the same, I can assure you that this decision will not affect your child’s season in any way. Practices have started, coaches are in place, and pre-season tournaments are right around the corner. Nothing will change for this season.
In the days to come, I hope to be able to tell you of TYSA’s plans for the future. Regrettably, both clubs are currently bound by contractual restrictions which limit our ability to do that right now. When these matters are resolved, we will be in touch.
I hope that each of you has a fantastic season, and I look forward to seeing all of you on the fields soon.
Best Regards,
-RCW
Robert Watts
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Triumph Youth Soccer Association
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Post by Keeper on Mar 10, 2015 22:12:22 GMT -5
Yeah it's not announced yet but they'll will be merging/making an alliance come fall. Gsa be running the select programs while RYSA will still keep their rec program. Gfc is doing the same thing thus the mass exodus from both our clubs. And yes thats a big loss for metro Atlanta soccer with him leaving |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2015 7:15:18 GMT -5
Yeah it's not announced yet but they'll will be merging/making an alliance come fall. Gsa be running the select programs while RYSA will still keep their rec program. Gfc is doing the same thing thus the mass exodus from both our clubs. And yes thats a big loss for metro Atlanta soccer with him leaving Hopefully some lessons were learned from the last couple years. This time around I hope there's a clear plan for tryouts (where will they be held, who will coach each team, where will they practice and most importantly what will happen to existing select teams). For academy, will teams be run out of three locations? Will they be scheduled together or separately? Who will have responsibility for leadership and success at each location? Who will be responsible for interaction with the rec program (so it doesn't feel like moving from rec to select means moving to a completely different club)? This should all be communicated long before tryouts with a chance for everyone to ask questions. As frustrating as the GSA/TYSA alliance was for many TYSA families (mostly at the academy level), it did give TYSA select players access to multiple teams in each age group. |
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 11, 2015 8:21:30 GMT -5
good find! I personally do not know Rafe at all, but you almost wonder at this point if its about money. I have no idea if true or not, but maybe this GSA merger was concerning and what is future role would be. I get GFC/GSA more. But the reality is rysa/GSA aren't that far apart. Carolina FC seems like it would be second fiddle to CESA. I forgot who, but one of our posters is from the south carolina area, they might have some comments. |
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