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Post by zizou on Oct 2, 2013 7:57:05 GMT -5
If someone wants some referee outrage, how about being sent off for this?
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 8:57:59 GMT -5
From another angle it looked worse, but this angle clearly showed there was nothing there. That's a real shame for him.
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Post by zizou on Oct 2, 2013 9:09:54 GMT -5
ok, that video was removed...here is a better one anyway...illustrates just what a punk Neymar really is...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 10:23:31 GMT -5
thats bad.
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Post by silverback on Oct 2, 2013 11:17:35 GMT -5
What a ridiculous call and what a shame to send off the captain. Sooner or later, soccer will have to adapt the replay to stop all nonsense. On a positive note, I needed Barcelona to win on on my Streak 4 Cash (espn mobile app) so thanks to this call, my win streak continues ;-)
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 2, 2013 11:20:16 GMT -5
What sucks is bad calls are part of the game. its all been engrained in our skulls, and it obviously happens on every level!
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 11:35:25 GMT -5
I've always thought you could solve this problem pretty easily, except possibly for corruption skewing it.
Don't use in-game replay, because 1) I don't think it will ever happen and 2) I'm not sure it's a good thing for soccer
But after games, let the referees review video. If they feel that simulation happened, submit the incident to a panel of ... somebody ... and if the finding is that there was blatant simulation, start handing out suspensions.
Increase suspensions for each incident. 0 for first, 1 for second, 2 for third, and so on.
It would stop.
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Post by rifle on Oct 2, 2013 18:29:54 GMT -5
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Post by eaglesweep87 on Oct 2, 2013 23:03:27 GMT -5
I watched the game live. At first I thoght it was bs too. Scott brown didnt get the red for taking Neymar down. He got the red for kicking Neymar in the arm intentionally after Neymar hit the ground. It was a very stupid decision made by the Celtic captain he probably cost his team at least a point possibly 3. The Ref was trailing the play and saw it all he had his yellow out at first then pulled the red after Brown intentionally kicked his arm.
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Post by zizou on Oct 3, 2013 6:29:57 GMT -5
This is great and what simultaneously makes soccer so interesting and frustrating.
When I saw it on replay I thought the only reason Brown got the Red was for impeding a goal scoring opportunity. Which would have been pretty harsh. Then I saw the attempted half kick, which, when I look at the video is pretty much a whiff and just not that serious anyway. Neymar instigates it by going down like a little baby on the first minor touch, essentially cheating just like Balotelli. Then Neymar makes the whole think worse with his performance. Brown did not get his back, got his arm if anything. In this sense I think the Reddit folks are total Neymar apologists and should get a match ban themselves. I believe what inspired Brown to give him the little kick was frustration at Neymar being such a punk and going down so easily with essentially no contact. The equivalent of "Come on man!"
Brown I do not believe owned anything other than placing himself in a position where a marginally competent and deceivable official could make a call that was totally ludicrous. Brown essentially says, in the most polite way possible, there was nothing there and Neymar is a sniffling little girl. He was being a great sportsman. Huge of him. Neymar will never know what this is like. But this is just my opinion of course.
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Post by jash on Oct 3, 2013 8:21:29 GMT -5
He was being a great sportsman. Huge of him. Neymar will never know what this is like. Spot on. |
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Post by rifle on Oct 3, 2013 8:40:37 GMT -5
Brown took down a faster, dangerous player who is obviously a scoring threat every time he has the ball. Then he got frustrated (it happens) and took a crack at him, maybe missed maybe didn't. It's simply violent conduct and it equals red card. It was the right call, IMHO. DESPITE THE THEATRICS.
As for Neymar and his many theatrical cohorts, fans should toss pacifiers at them. On the street, at the beach, everywhere.
The ones that really drive me crazy, and should get punished, are the cases where replay will clearly show no contact.. And the clowns roll around as if shot.
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Post by zizou on Oct 3, 2013 11:31:17 GMT -5
Brown took down a faster, dangerous player who is obviously a scoring threat every time he has the ball. Then he got frustrated (it happens) and took a crack at him, maybe missed maybe didn't. It's simply violent conduct and it equals red card. It was the right call, IMHO. DESPITE THE THEATRICS. That is certainly a reasonable interpretation. Of course, sad part is that Neymar is such a special player he does not need to behave this way. |
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Post by eaglesweep87 on Oct 3, 2013 16:49:59 GMT -5
This is great and what simultaneously makes soccer so interesting and frustrating. When I saw it on replay I thought the only reason Brown got the Red was for impeding a goal scoring opportunity. Which would have been pretty harsh. Then I saw the attempted half kick, which, when I look at the video is pretty much a whiff and just not that serious anyway. Neymar instigates it by going down like a little baby on the first minor touch, essentially cheating just like Balotelli. Then Neymar makes the whole think worse with his performance. Brown did not get his back, got his arm if anything. In this sense I think the Reddit folks are total Neymar apologists and should get a match ban themselves. I believe what inspired Brown to give him the little kick was frustration at Neymar being such a punk and going down so easily with essentially no contact. The equivalent of "Come on man!" Brown I do not believe owned anything other than placing himself in a position where a marginally competent and deceivable official could make a call that was totally ludicrous. Brown essentially says, in the most polite way possible, there was nothing there and Neymar is a sniffling little girl. He was being a great sportsman. Huge of him. Neymar will never know what this is like. But this is just my opinion of course. Yes, Brown acted out of frustration, from Neymar going down so easily. It was not the first time in this game that Neymar resorted to "cheat". He took a dive earlier in the game to try to get a pk but his assimilation didn't fool the referee that time. The referee motioned for him to get up. A clear sign that the referee knew it was a dive. My question is if assimilation is a penalty, then why did the referee not make the call. If these calls were actually called on a consistent basis with a straight red as the penelty, because this behavior to me is the same as, say the last defender taking a guy out on a scoring opportunity. Players have two choices in their decision process do whats is right or do what is wrong. Trying to win a ball but losing out is part of the game. Get two yellows and you are out. Depending on the referee's interpretation, be a little to aggressive or just get your studs up a little and you are gone straight red. But these players that are running around on the field falling down if they get touched then rolling around like they are dying. Running into players on purpose then falling down( ie. Balotelli ) are being rewarded with pk's and freekicks it crazy. If you aren't familiar with the game it would put a very bad taste in my mouth watching these antics. What happened to having pride in your game? I guess that went out the window when we started rewarding the cheaters and punishing the players. Just my 2 cents! |
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Post by rifle on Oct 3, 2013 21:53:07 GMT -5
That's a great point eaglesweep87...
DOGSO=ejection. Faking in foul the penalty area should be similarly weighted.
It is pretty unfairly skewed in favor of the attacker right now. There is a lot of talk about this issue on every soccer board. I expect we will see a new Law crafted to address it.. In a year or two.
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Post by mamampira on Oct 5, 2013 7:38:32 GMT -5
In the upcoming World Cup they plan to use goal line technology. So with this development we will see a progression towards eradicating or controlling shenanigans that hamper the truest outcome of any match. Suspension AND fines of those who engage in such unsportsmanlike acts will have a major effect. Because if you look at the whole picture not only are the perpetrators gaining an unfair advantage with a potential PK, goal and additional player, but the aftermath of the disadvantaged team/player continues because they will miss a game or two. With punishment at the top level, the trickle down will begin towards the youth level, the grassroots. Accountability is a premier value that needs to be instilled. Hit them in the pocket. Use the money to fund youth awareness about the behavior.
On several occasions over the past three years playing select, I've heard parents advise players to "just go down" in the box if the defender touches you. I've seen players act on that advice, and team members joke and laugh it off. In fact team members have actually joked about a particular player's ability to garner the team a PK - the diver - nudge, nudge, wink, wink. It is condoned by some parents and coaches who want to win at all costs. Good thing though is that there is that are outstanding players who refuse to go down cheaply and prefers to do the hard work with integrity. Skills on the field, skills for life - that used to be a certain club's motto.
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