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Post by zizou on Oct 2, 2013 8:04:12 GMT -5
A quick look at the video monitor could have saved Ajax from getting royally hosed...
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 8:56:55 GMT -5
I have an almost irrational hate for simulation. Needless to say I am not a Balotelli fan.
Plus he's just a jerk. Pushing his own players away so he could do his precious little 'shush' celebration.
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Post by rifle on Oct 2, 2013 14:57:55 GMT -5
Balotelli is paid to score goals.
Mission accomplished.
On the other hand, I'm a fan of aggressive but clean soccer - fair play. I wouldn't mind leagues enacting after-the fact suspensions for obvious simulation. Double the length with each occurrence, and it will stop fast.
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Post by eaglesweep87 on Oct 2, 2013 23:16:05 GMT -5
IMO if you are booked for simulation it should be a straight red. To me it is cheating. Which is behavior that is just as bad as someone kicking someone on purpose or any other straight red offence.If you got straight reds for simulation that would put an end to most of this nonsense.
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Post by zizou on Oct 3, 2013 5:54:50 GMT -5
Agreed. It is cheating. The only way punishment is effective is if the consequence is immediately severe. A graded system where you get a wrist slap first won't work as well as immediately showing them red, imposing a 10 match ban, and making them sit on the sidelines in a diaper during their suspension.
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Post by rifle on Oct 3, 2013 8:32:24 GMT -5
Agreed. It is cheating. The only way punishment is effective is if the consequence is immediately severe. A graded system where you get a wrist slap first won't work as well as immediately showing them red, imposing a 10 match ban, and making them sit on the sidelines in a diaper during their suspension. That would be awesome |
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Post by jash on Oct 3, 2013 9:09:04 GMT -5
Agreed. It is cheating. The only way punishment is effective is if the consequence is immediately severe. A graded system where you get a wrist slap first won't work as well as immediately showing them red, imposing a 10 match ban, and making them sit on the sidelines in a diaper during their suspension. The reason I like a graded system is it builds in leniency for the possibility of a mistake the OTHER way. It may turn out that a legitimate fall (foul or not) could look like simulation. Something like that could happen from time to time to anyone. A graded system makes sure it's only the ones who do it over and over again who end up punished the worst. The diaper idea is nice though. |
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Post by eaglesweep87 on Oct 3, 2013 17:35:55 GMT -5
Agreed. It is cheating. The only way punishment is effective is if the consequence is immediately severe. A graded system where you get a wrist slap first won't work as well as immediately showing them red, imposing a 10 match ban, and making them sit on the sidelines in a diaper during their suspension. The reason I like a graded system is it builds in leniency for the possibility of a mistake the OTHER way. It may turn out that a legitimate fall (foul or not) could look like simulation. Something like that could happen from time to time to anyone. A graded system makes sure it's only the ones who do it over and over again who end up punished the worst. The diaper idea is nice though. jash you are right falls happen. It is not real hard to tell the difference between someone falling down on accident and falling down on purpose. If you fall down on purpose, an honest player will get right back up and continue play as quick as possible ( assuming no injury). The cheating player will not look natural going down, will throw up their hands begging and roll around screaming like a baby holding their head, leg, or whatever. Have you ever noticed that the players that actually get seriously hurt from a bad tackle like breaking their leg or ankle do not put on near the show that the cheaters do. These players have no morals or pride. The first thing that should be done is to start calling it. It is not called enough so it continues to happen. Then say cheating is a red card offense assimilation is cheating. The game would benefit greatly if this nonsence was stopped. |
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Post by jash on Oct 4, 2013 8:39:17 GMT -5
jash you are right falls happen. It is not real hard to tell the difference between someone falling down on accident and falling down on purpose. If you fall down on purpose, an honest player will get right back up and continue play as quick as possible ( assuming no injury). The cheating player will not look natural going down, will throw up their hands begging and roll around screaming like a baby holding their head, leg, or whatever. Have you ever noticed that the players that actually get seriously hurt from a bad tackle like breaking their leg or ankle do not put on near the show that the cheaters do. These players have no morals or pride. The first thing that should be done is to start calling it. It is not called enough so it continues to happen. Then say cheating is a red card offense assimilation is cheating. The game would benefit greatly if this nonsence was stopped. Don't get me wrong, I agree with everything you said. I'm just saying that there could be a case where something looks like simulation and it's not. It is possible, just like our criminal justice system sometimes puts innocent people in jail. Very rare, but it does happen. An escalating series of punishments just makes sure that a person who suffers from that mistake won't suffer much. Let's say there is a guy who never simulates. He is tagged (erroneously) for something that just looks like simulation, even though... maybe he just got a leg cramp or something. The first offense is 0 days suspension (a warning). It costs him nothing, and since he doesn't simulate, he likely will never get tagged again. Then let's say Suarez gets tagged for his first offense, and he gets 0 days. Then his next one is 1 day. Then 2 days. Pretty soon he's suffering even worse than he did for biting someone. |
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Post by eaglesweep87 on Oct 4, 2013 16:00:25 GMT -5
jash, I agree that players who do not resort to these tactics should not be punished for an accidental fall or if they suddenly get a cramp and have to go down. With that being said, I feel the inconsistencies of the calls and punishment are at the heart of the matter. Players that would normally respect the integrity of the game, who have pride in the way they play and conduct themselves on the pitch (the majority), seem to be being drawn to the dark side because of the rewards given to the cheaters (the minority). If the referees, who are probably the biggest factor, did not have to deal with players trying to influence their decision I feel they could do a better job. FIFA needs to address the issue of players basically attacking the referees if they feel they have been fouled. It is the players job to play the game they know the rules are sometimes open to interpretation. Players and teams (some not all) are taking advantage of this, by mob rule sometimes, by taking it upon themselves to also referee the game influencing calls in their favor. If there were clear cut rules with harsh punishments on players and teams alike trying to influence a referees call or decision. I believe alot of this would work itself out.
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