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Post by fan on Oct 2, 2013 10:48:57 GMT -5
It's a far from perfect way to look at club strength, but here are the win percentages for clubs with at least 40 games played. What do you think about where your club ranks?
67% South Georgia United
58% Roswell Santos Soccer Club
55% Lanier Soccer Association Select Program
52% Fayette Futbol Club
50% RYSA Select & Academy
48% SSA Oconee
48% NASA Select
46% Griffin Y.S.C.
46% Inter Atlanta FC Blues
45% CFC Red Star
44% AFC Lightning
44% Atlanta Fire United Select
43% United F A- 01
42% S S A
42% Georgia Rush Select
42% Georgia Futbol Club
41% Norcross Soccer Academy - Academy & Select
41% HCSA Thunder Soccer Club
40% Alpharetta Ambush Select Soccer
40% Athens United SA
39% GOL Soccer Academy
39% Concorde Fire S.C.
39% Dacula Select
37% Macon SC Select
37% Tophat
37% Augusta Arsenal Soccer Club
36% Cherokee Impact Select
30% Cobb YMCA Academy & Select
29% Chiefs FC
22% CGSA Strikers Soccer Club
20% SSA Savannah United
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Post by fan on Oct 2, 2013 10:52:16 GMT -5
Here are the percentages if you look at wins+ties as a percent of total games played:
86% South Georgia United
75% Roswell Santos Soccer Club
65% Lanier Soccer Association Select Program
64% Cherokee Impact Select
64% AFC Lightning
63% NASA Select
62% SSA Oconee
61% Griffin Y.S.C.
60% CFC Red Star
60% Inter Atlanta FC Blues
60% Fayette Futbol Club
59% United F A- 01
58% Georgia Rush Select
57% HCSA Thunder Soccer Club
57% Concorde Fire S.C.
57% RYSA Select & Academy
57% Tophat
57% Atlanta Fire United Select
56% Dacula Select
55% GOL Soccer Academy
54% Macon SC Select
53% Georgia Futbol Club
53% Alpharetta Ambush Select Soccer
53% Norcross Soccer Academy - Academy & Select
52% S S A
49% Athens United SA
47% Cobb YMCA Academy & Select
46% Augusta Arsenal Soccer Club
43% Chiefs FC
39% SSA Savannah United
35% CGSA Strikers Soccer Club
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2013 10:59:24 GMT -5
It's skewed a little - the top four are small clubs with fewer teams. Any way to weight this out?
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 11:04:30 GMT -5
It's skewed a little - the top four are small clubs with fewer teams. Any way to weight this out? I disagree, it matches right with what I have as ranking for points per game. Other than just throwing away small clubs completely (which was done by eliminating those playing less than 40 games), what else could you do? |
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Post by silverback on Oct 2, 2013 11:06:34 GMT -5
Great info.
Questions:
What is the criteria?
Is this based on boys & girls, all age groups from U13-U18?
Does it include all Athena and Classic levels?
Does it include RPL results?
Is it possible to split out to see just Classic 1 and Athena A? or Maybe just the club's top/elite team?
I still like to see all the above, but some of a clubs lower teams may skew some of the results and IMO, I like when a club's lower level teams (not their top/elite teams) focus more on development (and learning how to play tactically) versus wins/losses.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Oct 2, 2013 11:09:25 GMT -5
anyone know anything about south georgia united? are they really that strong. impressive to say the least.
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Post by fan on Oct 2, 2013 11:12:01 GMT -5
Someone who's better at stats may have some ideas but here are the % for clubs with at least 80 games played:
48% NASA Select
44% AFC Lightning
44% Atlanta Fire United Select
43% United F A- 01
42% S S A
42% Georgia Futbol Club
41% Norcross Soccer Academy - Academy & Select
39% GOL Soccer Academy
39% Concorde Fire S.C.
30% Cobb YMCA Academy & Select
29% Chiefs FC
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Post by fan on Oct 2, 2013 11:15:36 GMT -5
Great info. Questions: What is the criteria? Is this based on boys & girls, all age groups from U13-U18? Does it include all Athena and Classic levels? Does it include RPL results? Is it possible to split out to see just Classic 1 and Athena A? or Maybe just the club's top/elite team? I still like to see all the above, but some of a clubs lower teams may skew some of the results and IMO, I like when a club's lower level teams (not their top/elite teams) focus more on development (and learning how to play tactically) versus wins/losses. Numbers were pulled from the GA Soccer Athena and Classic Standings so no RPL. Boys and girls all levels U13-U19. From these stats it would take a lot of digging to look at just CI and A but the data is out there. gs-fall13athenaandclassic.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/club_summary.asp?sessionguid=&tournamentguid=4760DC84-7281-46A1-AFE8-8F9EF2615918 |
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Post by silverback on Oct 2, 2013 11:20:59 GMT -5
Great info. Questions: What is the criteria? Is this based on boys & girls, all age groups from U13-U18? Does it include all Athena and Classic levels? Does it include RPL results? Is it possible to split out to see just Classic 1 and Athena A? or Maybe just the club's top/elite team? I still like to see all the above, but some of a clubs lower teams may skew some of the results and IMO, I like when a club's lower level teams (not their top/elite teams) focus more on development (and learning how to play tactically) versus wins/losses. Numbers were pulled from the GA Soccer Athena and Classic Standings so no RPL. Boys and girls all levels U13-U19. From these stats it would take a lot of digging to look at just CI and A but the data is out there. gs-fall13athenaandclassic.sportsaffinity.com/tour/public/info/club_summary.asp?sessionguid=&tournamentguid=4760DC84-7281-46A1-AFE8-8F9EF2615918Thanks. great stuff regardless. |
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 13:23:31 GMT -5
For Classic I and Athena A teams only, here are the points per game averages for all clubs. Note GSA has two clubs in the sportsaffinity site, whereas most clubs only use one for both men and women:
4.40 South Georgia United (1 team)
4.00 Inter Atlanta FC Blues (1 team)
3.75 Storm Soccer Academy (2 teams)
3.56 Macon SC Select (2 teams)
3.56 Decatur-DeKalb YMCA Soccer Club (2 teams)
3.40 Wade Walker YMCA (1 team)
3.25 North DeKalb Soccer Assoc. (2 teams)
3.17 AFC Lightning (3 teams)
3.03 Atlanta Fire United Select (10 teams)
3.00 SSA Oconee (2 teams)
2.95 GOL Soccer Academy (5 teams)
2.89 GOL Soccer Academy (3 teams)
2.84 NASA Select (14 teams)
2.83 AFC Lightning (5 teams)
2.75 United F A- 01 (16 teams)
2.73 Tophat (5 teams)
2.73 Lanier Soccer Association Select Program (3 teams)
2.50 Athens United SA (1 team)
2.47 Concorde Fire S.C. (15 teams)
2.40 Cherokee Impact Select (2 teams)
2.39 Alpharetta Ambush Select Soccer (8 teams)
2.20 Georgia Rush Select (3 teams)
2.17 S S A (16 teams)
2.10 Norcross Soccer Academy - Academy & Select (14 teams)
2.00 CFC Red Star (5 teams)
1.85 Augusta Arsenal Soccer Club (5 teams)
1.85 Dacula Select (4 teams)
1.75 Georgia Futbol Club (3 teams)
1.67 North Georgia Soccer Association (1 team)
1.67 HCSA Thunder Soccer Club (1 team)
1.42 Chiefs FC (7 teams)
1.23 Cobb YMCA Academy & Select (4 teams)
1.00 Roswell Santos Soccer Club (1 team)
0.86 SSA Savannah United (4 teams)
0.80 CGSA Strikers Soccer Club (3 teams)
0.67 Jackson County P and R (1 team)
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Post by spectator on Oct 2, 2013 14:07:40 GMT -5
It's skewed a little - the top four are small clubs with fewer teams. Any way to weight this out? I disagree, it matches right with what I have as ranking for points per game. Other than just throwing away small clubs completely (which was done by eliminating those playing less than 40 games), what else could you do? If the goal is to show Club Standings, it's skewed. South Georgia, Lanier and RSC have very few teams so as long as half or more are winning, their stats will be higher than a club like SSA, UFA or NASA with many more teams. And it reads - that those three clubs would be considered strong clubs- which they are not. Probably have some fine teams but at least at my player's age group, they have one -if any - team in GYSA right now - hardly criteria for what I'd deem a top club. I think if you segment it by level it'd show a different story. Many of those smaller clubs don't compete at the higher levels across multiple age groups. |
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 14:28:54 GMT -5
If the goal is to show Club Standings, it's skewed. South Georgia, Lanier and RSC have very few teams so as long as half or more are winning, their stats will be higher than a club like SSA, UFA or NASA with many more teams. And it reads - that those three clubs would be considered strong clubs- which they are not. Probably have some fine teams but at least at my player's age group, they have one -if any - team in GYSA right now - hardly criteria for what I'd deem a top club. I think if you segment it by level it'd show a different story. Many of those smaller clubs don't compete at the higher levels across multiple age groups. To me it's to show how well a club's teams are doing at their level of play. It can't show anything else, you're right. I just did this type of thing for Classic I and Athena A only. That might be more of what you want? (It's right above your post). |
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Post by rifle on Oct 2, 2013 14:52:22 GMT -5
I disagree, it matches right with what I have as ranking for points per game. Other than just throwing away small clubs completely (which was done by eliminating those playing less than 40 games), what else could you do? If the goal is to show Club Standings, it's skewed. South Georgia, Lanier and RSC have very few teams so as long as half or more are winning, their stats will be higher than a club like SSA, UFA or NASA with many more teams. And it reads - that those three clubs would be considered strong clubs- which they are not. Probably have some fine teams but at least at my player's age group, they have one -if any - team in GYSA right now - hardly criteria for what I'd deem a top club. I think if you segment it by level it'd show a different story. Many of those smaller clubs don't compete at the higher levels across multiple age groups. There is no good metric for "club standings". This is simply results against your opponents, wherever you got ranked. Parse the data all you like, it won't change the data. I would say it looks like some of the small club's teams got bracketed too low, because they seem to be doing very well. Check again after (if) they get promoted. |
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Post by jash on Oct 2, 2013 14:56:25 GMT -5
I would say it looks like some of the small club's teams got bracketed too low, because they seem to be doing very well. Check again after (if) they get promoted. Well now, with politics being what they are, I wouldn't find that too surprising, would you?  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 15:05:18 GMT -5
its a good metric, good summary measure for clubs. similar to all sports trophies in college.
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