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Post by soccergator on Mar 4, 2015 10:50:57 GMT -5
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Post by rifle on Mar 4, 2015 11:12:10 GMT -5
Makes you wonder why clubs, especially those connected to municipal facilities, wouldn't jump at the chance to host.. Or share in hosting games for a nearby club.
Real economic impact for hotels and restaurants, gas stations, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2015 12:46:37 GMT -5
The Greater Birmingham Convention & Visitor's Bureau expects an estimated $6.4 million economic impact for the Birmingham region over the event's two weekends. Wow - $6.4 million! That's impressive. I'll be chipping in my hundreds since we'll be there next weekend .
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Post by spectator on Mar 4, 2015 16:05:02 GMT -5
Vulcan is a well run tournament and Birmingham is a great host city. Have fun while you're there! Some good barbeque joints down that way!
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Post by TheMadOx on Mar 4, 2015 16:22:06 GMT -5
We are making our first trip on the girls weekend...Always wanted to participate in this tournament...looking forward to it.
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Post by sidelinemama on Mar 4, 2015 16:25:22 GMT -5
Atlanta could do something like that if there weren't so many clubs. We have a Coach new to this area and she couldn't believe the number of small tourneys and keeps saying Atlanta should have 2 HUGE tournaments. That way everyone goes. Talent isn't split amongst tournaments. You get more out of town teams, ect.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 4, 2015 16:51:06 GMT -5
Atlanta could do something like that if there weren't so many clubs. We have a Coach new to this area and she couldn't believe the number of small tourneys and keeps saying Atlanta should have 2 HUGE tournaments. That way everyone goes. Talent isn't split amongst tournaments. You get more out of town teams, ect. well one major positive, there are tournaments in atlanta for every level of play at the u9-u14 level. the top brackets at UFAs/SSAs/Concordes/Tophats tourneys so far have been competitive and worth every penny.
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Post by paterfamilias on Mar 5, 2015 11:03:00 GMT -5
I would be highly skeptical of any financial impact number provided by a CVB. Those are at best estimates fluffed to the highest degree. It's kinda like the talk a coach gives to you and your child during the tryout process. Of course your child will play every minute of every game. I see a ton of potential in your child. Our team is going to compete on a national level. Every once in a while the financial estimates may be true; however, the vast majority of the time they are just SWAGs.
Our club hosts between 7 and 9 tournaments per year at our facilities. I put together a presentation for our county commission to showcase the positive impact of our soccer fields. In researching this, I reached out to several sources to try to ascertain the economic impact of the tournaments we hosted. Those sources included US. Soccer, Georgia Soccer, and the local CVB. They all projected numbers based on a formula. XX players means YY impact per player which gives you ZZ economic impact. Very rudimentary. When I asked about more specific numbers from the CVB guy, he said many of the CVBs use the same projected numbers across the board. Long story short, they all projected numbers that I would not be comfortable standing up in front of our local commissioners and crowing about. I simply used the number of participants and let them make their own assumptions.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 5, 2015 11:15:04 GMT -5
ha love love love the coach speak you reference. that is so classic. a coach once tried to give me that BS for a rising u10 and was talking college scholarships etc. I agree, numbers are numbers. X amount of people coming into a city and staying at a hotel, eating food, buying gas and maybe visiting a local tourist trap! Impact will always be larger in a smaller city vs a city like atlanta, where you have people sprawled across the entire city. but from a local shop near some of the facilities, they probably love the business! we were out near Georgia soccer park for concorde, the restaurants were slammed with soccer players during lunch (chain restaurants). But when we went to vestavia in the past, one of the local spots thanked us for stopping by 3 times and said she loves tourney weekends. great first post from paterfamilias
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Post by allthingsoccer on Mar 5, 2015 11:17:01 GMT -5
soccergator- You would think that our cities would post something about the impact of soccer here in the atlanta area. I mean the last month alone had to have generated millions. We need to help feed the buzz of Georgia soccer. The level of play is huge. I think the level of press has to be the same.
Agree soccerhouse- Atlanta has great tournaments and the level of play is for sure some of the best in the county here in Georgia.
Sidelinemama- it's hard to have just 2 main tournaments. Keep in mind these help fund the clubs which in turn player development.
I think when MLS comes they will host a tournament or two. You will then see bigger out of state draw.
Cheers, J4K
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Post by soccergator on Mar 5, 2015 11:37:49 GMT -5
Agree would be nice to see in general - for example even things like what do our counties/cities gain by these club partnerships for use with county parks and fields? Sounds like paterfamilias has some numbers he can extrapolate out but I agree, I think the impact is greater on smaller communities for example when an entire tourney can be housed at 1 or 2 locations in close proximity to one another. At the end it is all probably BS except for a few locations that benefit. I'm always surprised though when we travel for tourneys, the hotels are always fully booked. To me that's always been the great thing about tourneys anyway, seeing kids from other teams, talking to parents from out of town clubs, sharing war stories etc.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 6, 2015 22:41:54 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 9, 2015 11:25:27 GMT -5
can you really call it losing $$? I guess they lost potential earnings?
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Post by touchlinedad on Mar 9, 2015 11:38:43 GMT -5
I, too, would be quite suspicious of any numbers put out by a CVB. I'm sure local hotels and restaurants located nearby do see a benefit but I'm not sure it's as much as the CVB is making it out to be. But when CVB's are advertising the economic impact of soccer tournaments, that's when I really believe that tournaments are now just another youth soccer industry. I am starting to really question the cost and whether these tournaments are worth it, especially pre-season tournaments. I know everyone loves to win a trophy but in terms of player development, I'm beginning to think they are useless. Why not skip the pre-season tournaments and instead arrange local friendlies against teams of equal quality? That way, you are getting a good game against a worthy opponent and saving a lot of money in the process. Some of the scores in these tournaments are so mismatched, you know the teams are in the wrong division or simply a strong team playing against weaker teams from another state. And instead of families spending upwards of $500 to $1,000 on a weekend tournament, could that money could be plowed into other soccer-related projects, like field maintenance or even purchasing field space? I mentioned in a previous post about tournaments that there was a good column on Soccer America recently and one of the items mentioned was containing costs by reducing tournaments, especially travel tournaments. You can read the full column here: www.socceramerica.com/article/62412/tackling-key-challenges-in-modern-day-youth-ball.html
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 9, 2015 11:54:34 GMT -5
i'll take it a step further, arrange friendlies with another 3-4 clubs and don't have any refs to reduce costs! Let the kids play, coaches have the freedom to stop the play and instruct. (i'm only talking about younger ages here.) Let the kids call the game etc. coaches can call offside, but who cares its a meaningless friendly with no refs!
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Post by soccerteamdad on Mar 10, 2015 5:46:54 GMT -5
I agree. The costs of club soccer will drive us back to rec ball next year. My kid can play for around $250 a year (both seasons) vs $2000ish at our club team. I just can't justify the expense.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 10, 2015 8:04:19 GMT -5
Uniform costs for club are too steep for sure. but you figure if your coaching is getting a decent wage, ~ $800 of your fees go to coaching. ~100 to team camp then a portion to the county/city a portion to pay refs a portion to pay for field rental for future rainouts etc. a portion to the club etc.
the cost gets bad, when tourneys come into play.
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Post by sidelinemama on Mar 10, 2015 14:55:01 GMT -5
i'll take it a step further, arrange friendlies with another 3-4 clubs and don't have any refs to reduce costs! Let the kids play, coaches have the freedom to stop the play and instruct. (i'm only talking about younger ages here.) Let the kids call the game etc. coaches can call offside, but who cares its a meaningless friendly with no refs! We had a great pre-season friendly, and BOTH coaches were most impressed by the way the girls ran the game all by themselves! No refs, no injuries. They called it all themselves, smiled and shook hands afterwards. It was awesome! This was not a club that we are close with. Girls didn't know each other and coaches didn't know each other. Great experience!
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Post by soccerdad44 on Mar 10, 2015 16:31:46 GMT -5
i'll take it a step further, arrange friendlies with another 3-4 clubs and don't have any refs to reduce costs! Let the kids play, coaches have the freedom to stop the play and instruct. (i'm only talking about younger ages here.) Let the kids call the game etc. coaches can call offside, but who cares its a meaningless friendly with no refs! I think this is a great idea. Once or twice in academy we have had refs not show up, and the coaches reffed, and it was way cleaner/safer/fairer than "real" refs.
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