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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2016 19:10:52 GMT -5
I'm curious how tryouts vary from one school to another. How long are tryouts at your school? How many kids typically try out? How big are the rosters? Our school's tryouts are 8 days after school. Rosters are big so a lot of kids can play but many more than that try out (60-70 for girls, 100+ for boys). It's too bad the school doesn't have 9th grade teams because there are definitely enough good players to fill a roster in addition to JV and varsity. This isn't even one of the huge 3,000+ enrollment schools.
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Post by spectator on Jan 5, 2016 11:11:10 GMT -5
our experience last year Girls side - about 50-60 tried out - cuts made at the end. Tryouts were Tues - Friday after two weeks of conditioning (optional) Best for all Freshman to attend conditioning - coaches can see the conditioning but cannot watch them play - he had the seniors run small sided scrimmages when he left. Final rosters were Varsity 22-24 - JV 15-17. All goalies were rostered on varsity. Very few freshman made varsity and the upper level club players' parents threw holy fits. Just because Princess plays ENCL doesn't guarantee varsity spots at the highly competitive schools. Our HS was top three last year in their division - any HS coach worth his or her salt will tell parents to back down. This is NOT club ball and some coaches will bench kids if mommy or daddy starts emailing them about playing time. Trust me - you WANT this
Boys side - even more competitive - 150-175 tried out. Cuts daily - pretty much if you don't play club ball at a very high level, you do not make a boys Varsity or JV team at our high school. Final rosters for boys was bigger 22 JV and 24 Varsity. They had significantly more injuries than the girls did so if you made the team, you did play.
And yes - it's too bad not all counties have Freshman teams - in our area both boys and girls would field very competitive teams as freshmen.
At other schools where our friends tried out - similar numbers but some had daily cuts for both girls and boys. Some schools started conditioning before Thanksgiving - others wait until the first week of school and that can vary by gender - boys had conditioning at our school in Dec - girls started this week.
High school soccer is fun - period. No great advantage to play, it's just fun for the kids. My daughter liked it for the social aspect but hated the lack of knowledge by the JV coach and felt it was more 'rec' than good soccer. The Varsity coach is exceptional but making that squad as a Freshman or even a sophomore will be challenging so we'll see the week of the 18th when tryouts start.
Oh - we had one crazy woman at our first parent meeting - apparently she has an 8th grade superstar and wants him to try out for high school a year early. Not sure if this is allowed but to hear her talk, he's too good for his club team and should immediately be given a full ride D1 scholarship. Can't wait to run into THAT on the field! NOT!!
Good luck to all!!!
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Post by stevieg on Jan 5, 2016 11:15:23 GMT -5
Oh - we had one crazy woman at our first parent meeting - apparently she has an 8th grade superstar and wants him to try out for high school a year early. Not sure if this is allowed but to hear her talk, he's too good for his club team and should immediately be given a full ride D1 scholarship. Can't wait to run into THAT on the field! NOT!! Ha ha - that cracks me up. If he's that great, he'd be playing DA and not allowed to play HS soccer. Good luck!
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 5, 2016 13:18:55 GMT -5
Oh - we had one crazy woman at our first parent meeting - apparently she has an 8th grade superstar and wants him to try out for high school a year early. Not sure if this is allowed but to hear her talk, he's too good for his club team and should immediately be given a full ride D1 scholarship. Can't wait to run into THAT on the field! NOT!! I have heard of a coach that tried to do it this year and was denied
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Post by Strikermom on Jan 5, 2016 15:32:30 GMT -5
This will be our first year and my girl is definitely excited!! Her 9th grade teammates are all members of her club 1st - 3rd teams so the JV coach is drooling!!. As 8th graders they beat the JV squad in a "friendly" scrimmage. I figure there will be at least 40 girls trying out. Boys were state champs, Duluth, so will probably have a great turnout.
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Post by reinalocura on Jan 5, 2016 16:50:22 GMT -5
My daughter is a Freshman as well - and our school has hired a new Girls Coach and he's talked about players earning spots because of their abilities as opposed to seniority. We also have a strong JV coach as well. This should be interesting. Our county does not have middle school soccer and does not allow any middle school "infusion" either. Based on what I know about the incoming freshman class (of girls, I'm not as familiar with the boys side yet), this year should be a really good year for our school. Additionally, the coach has indicated he will not have a huge roster, so I'm gathering about 36 - 40 players in total will make the 2 teams. There were approximately 75 players at the initial meeting last year - so there will definitely be cuts. Our tryouts start on MLK day.
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Post by Kick Goals 10 on Jan 5, 2016 17:58:26 GMT -5
This will be my daughter's first time. She will tryout for JV, as an 8th grader, because the county I live in. Needless to say the club coach is none to happy.
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Post by rifle on Jan 5, 2016 20:07:52 GMT -5
Our HS boys have conditioning starting tomorrow. They were told to bring running shoes. No cleats.
I think fitness without a soccer ball is a wasted opportunity.
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Post by spectator on Jan 5, 2016 21:14:27 GMT -5
Our HS boys have conditioning starting tomorrow. They were told to bring running shoes. No cleats. I think fitness without a soccer ball is a wasted opportunity. Agree but HS regulations prohibit a coach from seeing any student trying out touch a ball until tryouts. Weird rule but three coaches have confirmed this. All the HS coach can watch prior to official tryout is conditioning
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Post by volunteercoach on Jan 6, 2016 6:29:48 GMT -5
Our HS boys have conditioning starting tomorrow. They were told to bring running shoes. No cleats. I think fitness without a soccer ball is a wasted opportunity. Agree but HS regulations prohibit a coach from seeing any student trying out touch a ball until tryouts. Weird rule but three coaches have confirmed this. All the HS coach can watch prior to official tryout is conditioning Yes, coaches can't coach in a competitive setting or have any sort of practice/scrimmage with any players attending their high school during the school year (starting August) until the 18th of this month. They can work with 1 or 2 players at a time in 'skill building' drills but that's all. Our school normally has 50+ on the girls side.3 teams, each taking 16-20 depending on the numbers and skill level with the goal to not cut any from the program if possible. If there are 8th graders playing on a 9th grade team, high school students can not be cut.
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Post by Strikermom on Jan 6, 2016 8:50:21 GMT -5
Interesting to hear the different scenarios. What counties allow 8th graders on JV? I know the private schools do and DeKalb, any others??
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Post by Kick Goals 10 on Jan 6, 2016 9:10:10 GMT -5
Interesting to hear the different scenarios. What counties allow 8th graders on JV? I know the private schools do and DeKalb, any others?? Walton County is one
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Post by guest on Jan 6, 2016 9:23:05 GMT -5
-Do any schools/counties have freshman teams? -Do any schools/counties provide any funding for the soccer programs or is it all parent funded through registration and mandatory fundraising?
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Post by guest on Jan 6, 2016 9:25:02 GMT -5
Specific for U14 teams: How do clubs handle mixed 8th/9th grade teams? Do the players train with both squads? Does the club team take precedence over high school, or vice versa?
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Post by spectator on Jan 6, 2016 12:58:55 GMT -5
-Do any schools/counties have freshman teams? -Do any schools/counties provide any funding for the soccer programs or is it all parent funded through registration and mandatory fundraising? Specific for U14 teams: How do clubs handle mixed 8th/9th grade teams? Do the players train with both squads? Does the club team take precedence over high school, or vice versa? No freshman soccer teams in Cobb, Fulton or Cherokee - not sure if other counties have them. All fundraising and parent funded - what sucks is the fundraising is the exact same thing to be sold for every single sport so by the time the spring sports come around, the market is literally saturated - plus it's a crappy discount card that no one uses. We can opt out by writing a bigger check. For U14 players who are also high school freshmen - depends on the coaches -but HS goes immediately after school until about 6 - if your club has practices you can go to, the coach may expect the player to make those as well. Some club coaches will allow players to create a schedule - some days with club some with HS. Games shouldn't be conflicts - HS games are during the week.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2016 13:27:15 GMT -5
Interesting to hear the different scenarios. What counties allow 8th graders on JV? I know the private schools do and DeKalb, any others?? Walton County is one Barrow County allows 8th graders on JV. Gwinnett does not. I like the rule mentioned by volunteercoach about 8th graders being able to play only if no high school players are cut. With 8th graders having the opportunity to play club in the spring, I'd rather see spots given to 9th graders. I hate to see numbers such as 150+ for tryouts. It's great for putting together a quality team but so many kids don't have a chance to play. It's not just Rec players missing out but even Classic II players have trouble making those teams. I guess maybe they play Rec in the spring? Or lacrosse? Or run track?
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 6, 2016 14:45:33 GMT -5
Interesting to hear the different scenarios. What counties allow 8th graders on JV? I know the private schools do and DeKalb, any others?? Dekalb is different than most counties...at least when i went there this is how it was...it has probably changed... JV was for 8th & 9th graders Varsity was for the good 9th graders and rest of the HS. If you were in 10th or above you were not allowed to play JV, im sure I have heard of HS kids playing JV in other counties now
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Post by rodak on Jan 6, 2016 15:22:16 GMT -5
As of last season most DeKalb County schools allowed 8th graders to play JV, as well as 9th, 10th and 11th graders. I believe the GHSA guidelines are eighth graders can play but their minutes are more limited.
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Post by spectator on Jan 6, 2016 16:00:05 GMT -5
Barrow County allows 8th graders on JV. Gwinnett does not. I like the rule mentioned by volunteercoach about 8th graders being able to play only if no high school players are cut. With 8th graders having the opportunity to play club in the spring, I'd rather see spots given to 9th graders. I hate to see numbers such as 150+ for tryouts. It's great for putting together a quality team but so many kids don't have a chance to play. It's not just Rec players missing out but even Classic II players have trouble making those teams. I guess maybe they play Rec in the spring? Or lacrosse? Or run track? We've seen Athena A, Classic 1 and even RPL players not make rosters on boys or girls side. The schools around here have tons of players feeding in from several big clubs with RPL teams and some girls from Varsity are key players on ECNL teams as well. To say it's competitive is an understatement - even though she was on the team last year, she's nervous about this year because so many girls she knows from a U15 RPL team are freshman trying out.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 7, 2016 8:57:11 GMT -5
So in average...how many freshman make the varsity team?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jan 7, 2016 10:22:13 GMT -5
crazy thing, is I remember the high school road trips like it was yesterday. Nothing like hanging with the older kids and the jokes/discussions on a 1.5 hour bus ride. Great times.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 12:28:41 GMT -5
So in average...how many freshman make the varsity team? At our school, no freshman boys made varsity last year and only a handful of sophomores did. A few freshman girls made varsity. This school doesn't take juniors on JV so you need to make varsity by then or you're out.
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Post by guest on Jan 7, 2016 13:42:11 GMT -5
Just running some numbers. Gwinnett had 16 schools participate in AAAAAA girls soccer last year (not to mention Buford City and the various private schools like Hebron). If you figure 20-25 players each for JV and varsity squads, that's 720 spots. If you figure four years (U15-U18) of top teams with 15 players each at six local clubs (AFU, GSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross, GFC, DSC) that equals 360 players. Seems like plenty of spots for 2nd team, 3rd team or Rec players.
Someone mentioned 100+ at tryouts. With 16 schools that would be 1600 players trying out and I just don't think there are that many players here.
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Post by SoccerMom on Jan 7, 2016 13:55:59 GMT -5
Just running some numbers. Gwinnett had 16 schools participate in AAAAAA girls soccer last year (not to mention Buford City and the various private schools like Hebron). If you figure 20-25 players each for JV and varsity squads, that's 720 spots. If you figure four years (U15-U18) of top teams with 15 players each at six local clubs (AFU, GSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross, GFC, DSC) that equals 360 players. Seems like plenty of spots for 2nd team, 3rd team or Rec players.
Someone mentioned 100+ at tryouts. With 16 schools that would be 1600 players trying out and I just don't think there are that many players here. Gwinnett is HUGE and has a LOT of High Schools Gwinnett has 20 High Schools Forsyth has 5 Dawsonville has 1 Cobb has 16 Barrow has 2 Fulton has 17
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Post by spectator on Jan 7, 2016 14:14:07 GMT -5
So in average...how many freshman make the varsity team? Depends on the school and the strength of the team. We have girls on our club team who made and played varsity as freshmen but their JV was full of lower level Athena players and even some Rec players. They just didn't have a ton of club players feeding into that high school. Those were the JV squads the ones that the schools in our area mostly mercy ruled (at 10-0 they stop the game). My daughter's JV team had 4 of those games last year- but her JV team was 98% Athena A and higher players. The Varsity team had zero players below Athena A and even some of those got cut to keep the roster managable. In our area, there are a lot - I mean a LOT of high level players so very few freshmen made varsity - and frankly the only reason some of them did was because parents got ticky when player A at their club made varsity at their lesser performing high school so by goodness, their daughter since she played at that same level was too good for JV. Which is stupid - leave the egos at the door, parents, let your freshman player play with her friends. Most of the freshmen on teams around here were miserable - the reason you want to play high school ball is for fun and to be with your friends. Varsity as a freshman is nothing more than bragging rights for parents on Facebook. If your kid is going to play in college, it won't matter if there are a few years of JV on the resume - college coaches look at club not high school. Let the kids have fun
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Post by spectator on Jan 7, 2016 14:19:28 GMT -5
Just running some numbers. Gwinnett had 16 schools participate in AAAAAA girls soccer last year (not to mention Buford City and the various private schools like Hebron). If you figure 20-25 players each for JV and varsity squads, that's 720 spots. If you figure four years (U15-U18) of top teams with 15 players each at six local clubs (AFU, GSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross, GFC, DSC) that equals 360 players. Seems like plenty of spots for 2nd team, 3rd team or Rec players.
Someone mentioned 100+ at tryouts. With 16 schools that would be 1600 players trying out and I just don't think there are that many players here. Gwinnett is HUGE and has a LOT of High Schools Gwinnett has 20 High Schools Forsyth has 5 Dawsonville has 1 Cobb has 16 Barrow has 2 Fulton has 17 Pretty much any of these districts have schools that are within easy driving distance of clubs with ECNL, RPL and high performing Classic 1 or Athena A teams - factor in how many teams those clubs have in an age group, you can easily see upwards of 100 players coming out across all the age groups. The 100 at tryouts included all four years - freshmen to senior. Divide that 100 by four it's only 25 per class - that's easily attainable considering the clubs that feed into the schools. The further north, south, east or west you get from the metro area, the fewer players trying out but I imagine some of the larger schools in Gwinnett, Forsyth, Fulton or Cobb will have over 100 at tryouts for both boys and girls.
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Post by spectator on Jan 7, 2016 14:24:59 GMT -5
Just running some numbers. Gwinnett had 16 schools participate in AAAAAA girls soccer last year (not to mention Buford City and the various private schools like Hebron). If you figure 20-25 players each for JV and varsity squads, that's 720 spots. If you figure four years (U15-U18) of top teams with 15 players each at six local clubs (AFU, GSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross, GFC, DSC) that equals 360 players. Seems like plenty of spots for 2nd team, 3rd team or Rec players.
Someone mentioned 100+ at tryouts. With 16 schools that would be 1600 players trying out and I just don't think there are that many players here. Let's look at UFA Girls most likely feeding into one of the schools in Forsyth County at U16 - mostly sophomores - they have an RPL team, three Athena A teams and a pretty good Athena B team. So let's use five teams with average rosters of 16 that's 80 sophomores from good teams trying out - granted not all at the same school but even if you have 30 per class with four classes, that's 120 kids trying out for essentially 40-50 spots. FYI there were over 70 girls at conditioning at my daughter's high school yesterday - a LOT of upperclassmen (and even some freshmen) skip this and we have about 5-6 girls playing basketball too. I fully expect close to 100 again this year unless conditioning weeds out the slower ones (which happened last year).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 18:22:29 GMT -5
Just running some numbers. Gwinnett had 16 schools participate in AAAAAA girls soccer last year (not to mention Buford City and the various private schools like Hebron). If you figure 20-25 players each for JV and varsity squads, that's 720 spots. If you figure four years (U15-U18) of top teams with 15 players each at six local clubs (AFU, GSA, AFU, UFA-Norcross, GFC, DSC) that equals 360 players. Seems like plenty of spots for 2nd team, 3rd team or Rec players.
Someone mentioned 100+ at tryouts. With 16 schools that would be 1600 players trying out and I just don't think there are that many players here. It depends a lot on the school. In Gwinnett, it's a lot harder to make the team at Central Gwinnett, Parkview, Brookwood and Grayson than it is at South Gwinnett. In DeKalb, it's a lot harder to make the team at a school like Lakeside than a school like Stone Mountain. At big clubs, the 2nd team is typically Athena A/Classic I. With your numbers, the top team plus the 2nd team would get you close to that 720 number. There definitely are rec players on some high school teams but at the stronger schools, those players don't even make JV.
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Post by newposter on Jan 9, 2016 21:28:00 GMT -5
This will be our first year and my girl is definitely excited!! Her 9th grade teammates are all members of her club 1st - 3rd teams so the JV coach is drooling!!. As 8th graders they beat the JV squad in a "friendly" scrimmage. I figure there will be at least 40 girls trying out. Boys were state champs, Duluth, so will probably have a great turnout.
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Post by newposter on Jan 9, 2016 21:29:01 GMT -5
8th graders only allowed to play JV per GHSA rules. Kids get 4 years of Eligibility period.
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