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Mar 5, 2018 12:17:35 GMT -5
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 5, 2018 12:17:35 GMT -5
Yea, been rumors for years that their annual ratings aren't acceptable -- coaching licensing issues, coaching behavior on sidelines, lack of "home" training facility for regular training and rainouts etc. Still odd, especially if it includes the boys, I'd argue, their current season is the best the boys have ever been. I've mentioned this before, I thought with AU rolling into town, concorde would take the biggest hit -- its been the opposite, they have gotten better!! Still seems to be the destination for boys if they don't make AU or get cut. Soccerhouse, I agree. Based on what I witnessed yesterday watching UFA play NASA, it does not look like UFA's U13s and U14s are ready to give CF a real challenge yet. They are both lacking in the final third. If CF were to lose DA on the boys side, UFA would be the great winner.
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Mar 5, 2018 14:04:23 GMT -5
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Post by ultimatedad on Mar 5, 2018 14:04:23 GMT -5
Could this have anything to do with geographic location. Are NTH and Concorde close to each other and redundant? Would not MOBA or AFC be better locations for a third DA club? Also what is DA doing to entice the American Hispanic population to get into the pipeline?
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 5, 2018 14:22:21 GMT -5
Could this have anything to do with geographic location. Are NTH and Concorde close to each other and redundant? Would not MOBA or AFC be better locations for a third DA club? Also what is DA doing to entice the American Hispanic population to get into the pipeline? It has nothing to do with geographic location, the pressure is coming from ECNL and not DA
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Mar 5, 2018 14:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by ultimatedad on Mar 5, 2018 14:50:38 GMT -5
And ECNL is more about College ID. Not so much National team.
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Mar 5, 2018 17:12:01 GMT -5
Post by SoccerMom on Mar 5, 2018 17:12:01 GMT -5
I just heard that VA DA pulled out of DA for next season, going ECNL only. Rumor is that about 5-6 clubs will do the same in the next 3 months
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 5, 2018 17:17:12 GMT -5
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Post by krazykickers on Mar 5, 2018 18:02:56 GMT -5
My sister in at NCFC just sent me their DA tryout information. Looks like we have that answer on age groups next year. Boys DA U15/17/19. U15s 04s 17s 03/02 19s 00/01
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 5, 2018 18:21:20 GMT -5
Just talked to someone at CF. Was told that CF already put their application for DA next year....so seems its just a rumor.
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Mar 5, 2018 19:20:19 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 5, 2018 19:20:19 GMT -5
Its interesting because I heard today that Fusion in North Carolina just got boys ECNL and they are an average boys DA club, so why would ecnl want them on the boys side if this rumor was for boys and girls.
Also, other odd thing is why all of sudden are they requiring some level of expectation with results, when AFU has underperformed for years? Is ok just because its their top teams vs 2nd teams?
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Post by krazykickers on Mar 5, 2018 19:35:39 GMT -5
Its interesting because I heard today that Fusion in North Carolina just got boys ECNL and they are an average boys DA club, so why would ecnl want them on the boys side if this rumor was for boys and girls. Also, other odd thing is why all of sudden are they requiring some level of expectation with results, when AFU has underperformed for years? Is ok just because its their top teams vs 2nd teams? That is very interesting because Fusion even had winter DA tryouts to try to fill spots on their 03 U15 team. Looking at their roster they have bare minimum 03s so they must have the 02s play. Greensboro and Winston-Salem kids make up the Fusion DA rosters with a few on the older teams who used to be on CASL DA teams. Fusion has advertised for boys DA spring tryouts so that would have to mean they intend to continue with DA but how some of their age groups can have a DA and an ECNL I cannot fathom. NCFC (CASL) has GDA and girls ECNL but only boys DA with the rest in SRPL or classic play.
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Mar 6, 2018 9:01:52 GMT -5
Post by fridge on Mar 6, 2018 9:01:52 GMT -5
I heard ECNL has "floated" the idea that certain DA clubs need to make a choice based on performance.
I just looked at CF ECNL. It is doing mediocre which surprised me based on the discussion as I thought it was in last place in each age group. It is in first place on one, and mid tier in most others. Compared to AFU, it is higher in the standings 3 times, lower 2 times and esssentially tied 1 time. So, it is equally competitive to AFU and more competitive to a club like Orlando. So, ECNL would be stupid to force them to make a decision given CF is competitive--and more competitive than other clubs in this division.
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Mar 6, 2018 9:29:33 GMT -5
Post by surgesoccer on Mar 6, 2018 9:29:33 GMT -5
Atlanta Fire doesn't have DA, though, so while results may be comparable ECNL likely views them as at least playing their best players in ECNL. For Concorde I believe DA is their top team, and then ECNL their second team. I imagine ECNL would prefer the top team play ECNL and second team play DA.
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Mar 6, 2018 9:53:45 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 6, 2018 9:53:45 GMT -5
I think it comes down to what I mention above and surgesoccer ECNL for girls still wants to be perceived as the top league for girls, and they don't want "underperforming" 2nd teams competing. My guess is they are fine if teams constantly lose, as long as its their first team. I say this somewhat jokingly obviously... Also, would seem that they know with boys ECNL that they are 2nd fiddle to boys DA. I think it was really just a power player when they created boys ECNL. If they would have created it years ago, when they started the girls, would have been an interesting turn of events, because DA boys "was" pretty exclusive vs what we have now. I guess only time will tell, but given the volume of girls that left UFA over the years to play ECNL, those same girls would come running back to play girls DA at UFA in a heartbeat if Concorde gave it up. But ECNL using a sample size of single season might be short sighted.
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Mar 6, 2018 15:31:09 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Mar 6, 2018 15:31:09 GMT -5
Both DA and ECNL will take as many teams as they possibly can so that they can make more $. Like many of you, I have heard that DA nor ECNL will put up with clubs that have both leagues, since both of them want to be considered the best league. But I don't think they care enough about that, to the extent they would have less teams paying money.
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Mar 6, 2018 15:41:48 GMT -5
Post by keepingitreal on Mar 6, 2018 15:41:48 GMT -5
The big 6 clubs are under pressure from parents due to poor results in RPL. Those clubs that had ECNL (girls) didn't do well in RPL this past fall. Even worse for those that had DA and ECNL. To keep parents happy, the idea of the champions league has been introduced. 3rd teams would play in champion league. That league has no reward for a winner. You don't win anything playing in this new league as there is no path to regional competition other then having a play in game to qualify for GA State Cup. Rumor is that if you play at CF, they will have either DA or ECNL for girls, not both. ECNL has historically dropped clubs that didn't provide competitive teams. CF didn't have a good ECNL girls season. If CF keeps ECNL or if it keeps DA, the players on the team which is dropped from that league now have to play in a different league. Will that be RPL or this new champions league?
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Mar 6, 2018 22:57:54 GMT -5
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Post by cleansheet on Mar 6, 2018 22:57:54 GMT -5
The big 6 clubs are under pressure from parents due to poor results in RPL. Those clubs that had ECNL (girls) didn't do well in RPL this past fall. Even worse for those that had DA and ECNL. To keep parents happy, the idea of the champions league has been introduced. 3rd teams would play in champion league. That league has no reward for a winner. You don't win anything playing in this new league as there is no path to regional competition other then having a play in game to qualify for GA State Cup. Rumor is that if you play at CF, they will have either DA or ECNL for girls, not both. ECNL has historically dropped clubs that didn't provide competitive teams. CF didn't have a good ECNL girls season. If CF keeps ECNL or if it keeps DA, the players on the team which is dropped from that league now have to play in a different league. Will that be RPL or this new champions league? Why isn’t UFA in ECNL?
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Mar 6, 2018 23:35:24 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 6, 2018 23:35:24 GMT -5
The big 6 clubs are under pressure from parents due to poor results in RPL. Those clubs that had ECNL (girls) didn't do well in RPL this past fall. Even worse for those that had DA and ECNL. To keep parents happy, the idea of the champions league has been introduced. 3rd teams would play in champion league. That league has no reward for a winner. You don't win anything playing in this new league as there is no path to regional competition other then having a play in game to qualify for GA State Cup. Rumor is that if you play at CF, they will have either DA or ECNL for girls, not both. ECNL has historically dropped clubs that didn't provide competitive teams. CF didn't have a good ECNL girls season. If CF keeps ECNL or if it keeps DA, the players on the team which is dropped from that league now have to play in a different league. Will that be RPL or this new champions league? Why isn’t UFA in ECNL? My guess is that UFA is already in NPL under US Club Soccer which ECNL is under and they have boys and girls DA, also, along with GA Soccer - National League, RPL, Classic and Athena. Everything but ECNL 😃
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Mar 7, 2018 8:26:48 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 8:26:48 GMT -5
The big 6 clubs are under pressure from parents due to poor results in RPL. Those clubs that had ECNL (girls) didn't do well in RPL this past fall. Even worse for those that had DA and ECNL. To keep parents happy, the idea of the champions league has been introduced. 3rd teams would play in champion league. That league has no reward for a winner. You don't win anything playing in this new league as there is no path to regional competition other then having a play in game to qualify for GA State Cup. Rumor is that if you play at CF, they will have either DA or ECNL for girls, not both. ECNL has historically dropped clubs that didn't provide competitive teams. CF didn't have a good ECNL girls season. If CF keeps ECNL or if it keeps DA, the players on the team which is dropped from that league now have to play in a different league. Will that be RPL or this new champions league? Why isn’t UFA in ECNL? Because the GA coaches that are on the board have always blocked it. If they got ECNL then they couldn't keep taking their players
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Mar 7, 2018 8:42:31 GMT -5
Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 7, 2018 8:42:31 GMT -5
The big 6 clubs are under pressure from parents due to poor results in RPL. Those clubs that had ECNL (girls) didn't do well in RPL this past fall. Even worse for those that had DA and ECNL. To keep parents happy, the idea of the champions league has been introduced. 3rd teams would play in champion league. That league has no reward for a winner. You don't win anything playing in this new league as there is no path to regional competition other then having a play in game to qualify for GA State Cup. Rumor is that if you play at CF, they will have either DA or ECNL for girls, not both. ECNL has historically dropped clubs that didn't provide competitive teams. CF didn't have a good ECNL girls season. If CF keeps ECNL or if it keeps DA, the players on the team which is dropped from that league now have to play in a different league. Will that be RPL or this new champions league? Why isn’t UFA in ECNL? A couple of the Georgia teams blocked their inclusion every time the chance came up.
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Mar 7, 2018 9:14:24 GMT -5
Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2018 9:14:24 GMT -5
Could be BS, but I always had heard that Brian Moore was the southeastern director and he wouldn't allow Atl expansion and it wasn't until he left for UGA that then Tophat was added.
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Mar 7, 2018 9:19:43 GMT -5
Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 9:19:43 GMT -5
Could be BS, but I always had heard that Brian Moore was the southeastern director and he wouldn't allow Atl expansion and it wasn't until he left for UGA that then Tophat was added. And now that Tophat is on the board...... they pull the same thing
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Mar 7, 2018 9:32:31 GMT -5
Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 9:32:31 GMT -5
I heard ECNL has "floated" the idea that certain DA clubs need to make a choice based on performance. I just looked at CF ECNL. It is doing mediocre which surprised me based on the discussion as I thought it was in last place in each age group. It is in first place on one, and mid tier in most others. Compared to AFU, it is higher in the standings 3 times, lower 2 times and esssentially tied 1 time. So, it is equally competitive to AFU and more competitive to a club like Orlando. So, ECNL would be stupid to force them to make a decision given CF is competitive--and more competitive than other clubs in this division. The only age group that CF is doing well is the U13, there is no DA in U13. What I heard was that you had to put some teams into the playoffs in order to keep ECNL, you have to be able to put up competitive teams if you're going to use 2nd teams. unfortunately CF hasn't been able to do that. Yes if you compare them to AFU they're better than them (a few AFU ECNL players went to NTH last fall), and yes it seems stupid to take it away from CF BUT its just a power move from ECNL, they don't want to be viewed as the 2nd team. CF - Girls U13 - 1 U14 - 8 U15 - 7 U16 - 6 U17 - 6 U18 - 8 NTH - Girls U13 -2 U14 - 6 U15 - 3 U16 - 2 U17 - 3 U18 - 10 I went ahead and pulled the boys as well, i dont know if ECNL for boys and girls go hand in hand or not? Can you keep boys and not the girls? CF is doing better than NTH CF - Boys U14 - 10 U15 - 8 U16 - 1 U17 - 3 U18 - 1 NTH - Boys U14 - 12 U15 - 7 U16 - 4 U17 - 10 U18 - 3
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Mar 7, 2018 9:50:38 GMT -5
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Post by soccerdaddy on Mar 7, 2018 9:50:38 GMT -5
I heard ECNL has "floated" the idea that certain DA clubs need to make a choice based on performance. I just looked at CF ECNL. It is doing mediocre which surprised me based on the discussion as I thought it was in last place in each age group. It is in first place on one, and mid tier in most others. Compared to AFU, it is higher in the standings 3 times, lower 2 times and esssentially tied 1 time. So, it is equally competitive to AFU and more competitive to a club like Orlando. So, ECNL would be stupid to force them to make a decision given CF is competitive--and more competitive than other clubs in this division. The only age group that CF is doing well is the U13, there is no DA in U13. What I heard was that you had to put some teams into the playoffs in order to keep ECNL, you have to be able to put up competitive teams if you're going to use 2nd teams. unfortunately CF hasn't been able to do that. Yes if you compare them to AFU they're better than them (a few AFU ECNL players went to NTH last fall), and yes it seems stupid to take it away from CF BUT its just a power move from ECNL, they don't want to be viewed as the 2nd team. CF - Girls U13 - 1 U14 - 8 U15 - 7 U16 - 6 U17 - 6 U18 - 8 NTH - Girls U13 -2 U14 - 6 U15 - 3 U16 - 2 U17 - 3 U18 - 10 I went ahead and pulled the boys as well, i dont know if ECNL for boys and girls go hand in hand or not? Can you keep boys and not the girls? CF is doing better than NTH CF - Boys U14 - 10 U15 - 8 U16 - 1 U17 - 3 U18 - 1 NTH - Boys U14 - 12 U15 - 7 U16 - 4 U17 - 10 U18 - 3 Wow thanks for the data! I can’t see any good for US Club Soccer to get rid of Concorde. They have been a top club in GA for the longest. Doesn’t make any sense.
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Post by zizou on Mar 7, 2018 9:51:22 GMT -5
Could be BS, but I always had heard that Brian Moore was the southeastern director and he wouldn't allow Atl expansion and it wasn't until he left for UGA that then Tophat was added. And now that Tophat is on the board...... they pull the same thing Any exclusions of meritorious clubs is dumb and petty. And an example of a major problem in the youth soccer hierarchy. It is all about fiefdoms, not about having an integrated and easily understandable structure. ECNL were wrong to take this approach. UFA were by far the best and most successful club not in ECNL. If they wanted a shot at the league they should have been included. Based on their performance history there was a good chance they would have been more than competitive. USSF have now made things worse by creating another league that is separated and unable, at present, to be integrated into a clear and understandable youth soccer hierarchy. People can stand in their space and shout "We are the best" as often and as loudly as they want; unless there is integrated competition we will never know. I have little doubt that in the pre-GDA days that if you ranked the best ECNL teams from top to bottom, and you took the best National league teams, for instance, and ranked them from top to bottom, the best ECNL teams would have been better than the best National League teams. That is not saying much really because the best ECNL teams were the historically best club teams before ECNL started. The same probably would be true for GDA versus ECNL right now. Except for like SoCal Blues who evidently kept their top team in ECNL. The question is, where does the crossover occur? At what point would the teams in the overall assumed less competitive league start to beat the teams from the assumed higher quality league? Would it ever happen? Does it matter? I think it does matter because if the assumed less competitive league is superior that means player and coaching quality is being undervalued be virtue of league membership. That is no way to run a rodeo.
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Mar 7, 2018 10:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by SoccerMom on Mar 7, 2018 10:37:13 GMT -5
And now that Tophat is on the board...... they pull the same thing Any exclusions of meritorious clubs is dumb and petty. And an example of a major problem in the youth soccer hierarchy. It is all about fiefdoms, not about having an integrated and easily understandable scructure. ECNL were wrong to take this approach. UFA were by far the best and most successful club not in ECNL. If they wanted a shot at the league they should have been included. Based on their performance history there was a good chance they would have been more than competitive. USSF have now made things worse by creating another league that is separated and unable, at present, to be integrated into a clear and understandable youth soccer hierarchy. People can stand in their space and shout "We are the best" as often and as loudly as they want; unless there is integrated competition we will never know. I have little doubt that in the pre-GDA days that if you ranked the best ECNL teams from top to bottom, and you took the best National league teams, for instance, and ranked them from top to bottom, the best ECNL teams would have been better than the best National League teams. That is not saying much really because the best ECNL teams were the historically best club teams before ECNL started. The same probably would be true for GDA versus ECNL right now. Except for like SoCal Blues who evidently kept their top team in ECNL. The question is, where does the crossover occur? At what point would the teams in the overall assumed less competitive league start to beat the teams from the assumed higher quality league? Would it ever happen? Does it matter? I think it does matter because if the assumed less competitive league is superior that means player and coaching quality is being undervalued be virtue of league membership. That is no way to run a rodeo. Pre-DA & Pre-ECNL days..... the old U13 State Cup is where you could see who had the best teams. Now is all just a giant mush
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2018 10:39:47 GMT -5
SoccerMom is dead on!! i've said it over and over, the u13 State cup for girls was the greatest year!
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Mar 7, 2018 11:11:33 GMT -5
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Post by infoguy on Mar 7, 2018 11:11:33 GMT -5
I don't get the girls DA. US Women won the World Cup. USWNT were able to put together the best team in the world, without a need for another league.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Mar 7, 2018 11:13:12 GMT -5
Seems like a good way to showcase who the "best" are would be to have a Champions League/Europa League -like tournament where you have to play your way in. Draw teams from a pot and then have them all play. DA - ECNL - NPL/RPL - play your way in and then give a run.
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Mar 7, 2018 11:16:50 GMT -5
Post by infoguy on Mar 7, 2018 11:16:50 GMT -5
Does anyone have knowledge about SSA's plan? DA boys only up to U14, no ECNL.
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Mar 7, 2018 11:27:03 GMT -5
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 7, 2018 11:27:03 GMT -5
They wanted credit and control. Forget about the rules differences and annual evaluations of clubs. That all could have been worked out as a collaboration when sitting down at the table, which really never occurred. ECNL should have "become" US soccer's answer for girls DA.
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