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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 12, 2018 16:35:20 GMT -5
As many of you already know, this is AU v CF week in local boys soccer. Colloquially called the "Atlanta El Clasico" A lot has transpired in regards to personnel since all 6 teams met on the last day of September 2017. El Clasico 1.0 was not very favorable to CF(see results below). However, with the introduction of suspensions, injuries, Nat'l team call ups, European signings, Homegrown contracts and team dismissals, this is sure to be a very interesting set of games for AU. I am especially interested in seeing how the U14s and U15s play. There has been a lot of shuffling of boys between both teams. The big collective elephant in the room is going to be how the club views some of the boys against a strong team like CF. Do they come to play and will that be a big part of them being retained or in the case of the U12s, deciding who makes the trip to the Dallas/Generation Adi Cup later this month(see schedule link below). U12s - AU won both games(forgot scores) U13s - AU win 5-0 U14s - AU win 4-0 U15s - AU win 4-0 U17s - AU win 1-0 U19s - AU win 2-1 - MLS - Generation Adi Cup 2018 ScheduleLet the trash talking begin - Thoughts? Predictions?
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Post by welovesoccer on Mar 13, 2018 10:07:59 GMT -5
Would be interesting to watch the 12s, especially if they go ahead an split the teams preparing fo Dallas. The difference between Atlanta United 12s and everyone else is depth. The rest of the teams in Georgia do not have the depth to field 22-24 kids from a single age group. I've seen teams hang with them for a half, then its over quick in the 2nd half. Too much depth and no true week players compared to other clubs. I think concordes and Ufa's top 9 could compete with them, but thats where it stops.
On saturday against Concorde - I'm saying u12s -split 1 Win each and the only other win for Concorde is the u15s -- 2-1
On sunday against UFA, sweep for AU u15s 4-0 u17s 3-0
UFA 15s have no dominant scorer and concede way to many goals - which is a recipe for disaster.
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Post by footy on Mar 13, 2018 10:24:19 GMT -5
While I'd like to see Concorde 15s win, AU has a national team camp keeper who could present a challenge. Concorde 17s have some players out on foul trouble or whatever you call it in soccer. I wouldn't be surprised if AU sweeps the whole weekend, although I do hope for some upsets.
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Post by welovesoccer on Mar 13, 2018 10:28:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 12:15:51 GMT -5
Would like to see Concorde u15s and UFAs u15s to walk away with the win. Also, I don’t think the UFAs 17s can do it again, but another win over AU would give Dixon and his squad legendary status.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 12:42:27 GMT -5
I'm a fan of the cinderella story, so anytime you can get the little guy to knock down the big guy, I'm all for it --- But besides maybe Concorde getting a win with on of the u12s, I think Atl wins every game of the weekend and sweeps the remaining age groups vs concorde and UFA
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Post by footy on Mar 17, 2018 14:27:46 GMT -5
Any score updates?
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Post by trumpetflower on Mar 17, 2018 15:08:24 GMT -5
AU U12s 4-1 on one field 1-1 on the other big winner: chicken tacos at the park
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2018 16:35:23 GMT -5
Trumpetflower, I thought those tacos were laced with gold the way the parents and kids were flocking to it.
In regards to the results, AU Academy will NOT be sending out a tweet about beating CF at all age groups today, like they did in September.
Current scores U12s - 4-1 AU & 1-1 U13s - 2-1 AU U14s - 1-0 CF U15s - 1-1 U17s - Not sure, had to leave for my kid's game U19s - Play at 5pm
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2018 17:52:48 GMT -5
Yes they were all good games across the board. In my opinion it seemed like the CF players remembered their last outing against AU and didn't want a repeat. In the one U12s game, the 1-1 tie could have gone either way. In the U13 game, the first half belonged to CF. On a corner kick and weird scramble in the box, CF scored first and went up by 1. The CF first half goalie kept them in the game. But the first half of the second half, AU made one change and moved some players around and in quick succession they took over and first tied and then went up by 1. There was at least one crossbar hit on a shot by one of the midfielders for AU that bounced right out. Then maybe the last 5-10 minutes of the game CF started to attack again, but it was too little too late.. In the U14s game, the AU players play a lot of selfish ball and CF clearly wanted it more. If AU played more as a team, they may have had a chance. For the U15s I would give the first half edge to AU by a slight margin, but give the 2nd half to CF. In the second half the ball seemed to stay in the AU defensive 3rd. At one point CF even hit the cross bar on one or two occasions. Again, I know there are rumors of CF giving up DA, you sure couldn't tell from intensity of today's game. There was even a moment before the U14s/U17s game where Tony and Greg were woofing up like old pals.
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Post by footy on Mar 17, 2018 18:18:54 GMT -5
Just heard these scores: U17 0-0 U19 2-2
Not what I expected from the three older age groups but sounds like great matchups today! Tomorrow’s games between AU and UFA should be interesting. I think AU will be on a mission to win.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2018 18:27:35 GMT -5
Wonder if GK Watson played for the CF U19s. He was the only reason AU didn't blow CF out of the building in the last game in September. This was the AU team that had Zyen Jones and George Bello. Good results and good matches today.
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Post by beentheredonethat on Mar 17, 2018 18:38:55 GMT -5
Wonder if GK Watson played for the CF U19s. He was the only reason AU didn't blow CF out of the building in the last game in September. This was the AU team that had Zyen Jones and George Bello. Good results and good matches today.
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Post by beentheredonethat on Mar 17, 2018 19:57:02 GMT -5
Yes they were all good games across the board. In my opinion it seemed like the CF players remembered their last outing against AU and didn't want a repeat. In the one U12s game, the 1-1 tie could have gone either way. In the U13 game, the first half belonged to CF. On a corner kick and weird scramble in the box, CF scored first and went up by 1. The CF first half goalie kept them in the game. But the first half of the second half, AU made one change and moved some players around and in quick succession they took over and first tied and then went up by 1. There was at least one crossbar hit on a shot by one of the midfielders for AU that bounced right out. Then maybe the last 5-10 minutes of the game CF started to attack again, but it was too little too late.. In the U14s game, the AU players play a lot of selfish ball and CF clearly wanted it more. If AU played more as a team, they may have had a chance. For the U15s I would give the first half edge to AU by a slight margin, but give the 2nd half to CF. In the second half the ball seemed to stay in the AU defensive 3rd. At one point CF even hit the cross bar on one or two occasions. Again, I know there are rumors of CF giving up DA, you sure couldn't tell from intensity of today's game. There was even a moment before the U14s/U17s game where Tony and Greg were woofing up like old pals. Futsal Gawdess, I have to say I'm a little disappointed. I've been reading this forum for a while now and always thought your posts were informative and knowledgeable but this one, not so much. A little disingenuous, maybe? I'm sure if ATL UTD had run the table against Concorde you would have talked about the expert coaching, their top players and how the "pro" club is separating themselves in the youth arena. Instead Concorde put on a much improved performance from the fall and your reasoning is - "the CF players remembered their last outing against AU and didn't want a repeat". Really?!
I have around the game a long time now, over 30 years, and what I saw was a Concorde staff that had their players prepared. Coaches that had done their homework on their opponents and program that has closed the gap (a significant one at that) between the fall and now. I keep hearing about the lack of coaching at Concorde yet I saw a job well done by their staff in every age group u12 through u19. Yes, I stayed to watch all the games.
Let's give credit where it's due.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 17, 2018 21:09:10 GMT -5
Clearly you're mixing my posts with that of someone else's. Not sure if my feelings should be hurt or if I should be losing an ounce of sleep over your comment about my maybe being disingenuous. I have never derided the coaches at CF or praised the coaches at AU. I have never and will never talk about expert coaching or the pro club separation because again we are still talking about kids not pros. In regards to AU having top players, the fact of the matter is AU has a significantly higher number of top players on their teams.
This week, I went to two practices at CF and two at AU and I saw both coaching staffs getting their players ready for this weekend's game. So one must ask, what's the difference in today's outcome versus the Fall? I played, my spouse played and my siblings and in-laws all played. One thing is certain, at this young youth stage pride and drive are what separate players. Your comment "Concorde put on a much improved performance from the fall" confirms my point. It all comes down to the players. Last I checked and i'm sure in your 30+ years of being "around" the game, I've never seen a coach go out on to the pitch and score, block, defend, shoot, dribble, head or even close down on an opposing player. You can coach, advise, instruct and even threaten, but the lads still have to go out and execute. But if one is to delve a little more into your thinking based on being "around" the game for 30+ years, your logic is saying the CF coaches didn't get the players ready for the fall campaign, ergo why AU trounced CF across the board in the Fall., right?
With your being "around" the game for 30+ years, you clearly didn't agree with my original post, and I'm sure you won't agree with this post. The thing is I care because.....
More Green Beer Bartender, it is after-all St. Paddys Day!!!
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Post by footy on Mar 17, 2018 22:08:49 GMT -5
Wonder if GK Watson played for the CF U19s. He was the only reason AU didn't blow CF out of the building in the last game in September. This was the AU team that had Zyen Jones and George Bello. Good results and good matches today. As far as I know, BW is the only GK on CF U19's right now. Other keeper left to play HS ball.
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Post by newposter on Mar 18, 2018 8:54:35 GMT -5
Perhaps referring to a kids game as El Classico may explain a lot about the other topics being discussed on the forum...hmmm.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 18, 2018 10:26:12 GMT -5
Pretty remarkable day for Concorde.
Pretty amazing to me.
TA still getting slapped around by Concorde. All the resources in the world and players at their finger tips. Very impressive for Concorde!!!
Again the u15s take the 2 most dominant players in 2003 age group from Concorde and just sneak away with a tie. Shocking. Not sure how Concorde is doing it,
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 18, 2018 10:47:31 GMT -5
Perhaps referring to a kids game as El Classico may explain a lot about the other topics being discussed on the forum...hmmm. I didn't coin the term but I do take it as a sign of respect between two good local powerhouse clubs. Let's not forget about the United Derby, between AU & UFA or in today's case where only a couple of teams play instead of the entire gambit of teams - The Mini Derby. For your continued entertainment value, please tune in for El Classico 3.0 bright and early on May 5th, 2018 down at the Georgia Soccer Park, followed by the other half of the Mini Derby between AU & UFA on May 20th, 2018. With tryout season looming so close, those games should be a great showcase of talent and skill that will probably give you an idea as to who will be moving, switching and staying at those three clubs.
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Post by footy on Mar 18, 2018 10:52:36 GMT -5
Perhaps referring to a kids game as El Classico may explain a lot about the other topics being discussed on the forum...hmmm. At one point it was called the Peach Derby. Can't remember who coined that term but a little lighter than El Clasico. Maybe Dirty South Soccer coined it, or maybe I heard TA call it that himself. Either way, always bragging rights at stake!
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Post by footy on Mar 18, 2018 10:55:23 GMT -5
Trumpetflower, I thought those tacos were laced with gold the way the parents and kids were flocking to it. In regards to the results, AU Academy will NOT be sending out a tweet about beating CF at all age groups today, like they did in September. Current scores U12s - 4-1 AU & 1-1 U13s - 2-1 AU U14s - 1-0 CF U15s - 1-1 U17s - Not sure, had to leave for my kid's game U19s - Play at 5pm I assumed they would tweet all scores and didn't realize selective social media was a thing for them, but that's pretty smart. They still won 3 games in the younger age groups. Isn't including those wins amongst the draws something worthy of tweeting? They went all day without a loss.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 18, 2018 13:43:56 GMT -5
Looks like it may be a not so successful weekend for AU. What was interesting was watching TA furiously scribbling in his trusty black notebook.
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Post by footy on Mar 18, 2018 13:52:24 GMT -5
Ufa/atl U15-“s 0-0. U17s. Ufa up 1-0 at half What was final score for 17’s? I heard 2-2?
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 18, 2018 14:53:38 GMT -5
2-2 final. Good weekend for UFA and Concorde. If they put a team together with their top players, they probably would be better than Atlanta uniteds teams. And I say teams, individually Atlanta united might be better.
Unfortunately Soccer is a team sport and the team is being taken out of it. Atlanta united is focused on the individual and that’s really all that matters. Where Concorde and ufa should seem to focus on the team. That U17 ufa team really shouldn’t be tieing Atlanta united. But so far this year they are 1-1-1. Pretty damn good. UFAs 15s had some chances in the first half and game could have gone either way. Ufa was under pressure most of the 2nd half but Atlanta united really never tested the keeper in the 2nd half, very few shots on goal. But ufa keeper played well.
Lastly - 15s and 17s should not be playing on field 5 at fowler. Way to narrow.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Mar 18, 2018 17:26:58 GMT -5
2-2 final. Good weekend for UFA and Concorde. If they put a team together with their top players, they probably would be better than Atlanta uniteds teams. And I say teams, individually Atlanta united might be better. Unfortunately Soccer is a team sport and the team is being taken out of it. Atlanta united is focused on the individual and that’s really all that matters. Where Concorde and ufa should seem to focus on the team. That U17 ufa team really shouldn’t be tieing Atlanta united. But so far this year they are 1-1-1. Pretty damn good. UFAs 15s had some chances in the first half and game could have gone either way. Ufa was under pressure most of the 2nd half but Atlanta united really never tested the keeper in the 2nd half, very few shots on goal. But ufa keeper played well. Lastly - 15s and 17s should not be playing on field 5 at fowler. Way to narrow. I think all of the "full-size" fields at Fowler are too small. I think 5 is a little wider than 9 and 10, but they are all too narrow.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 18, 2018 19:01:56 GMT -5
Unfortunately Soccer is a team sport and the team is being taken out of it. Atlanta united is focused on the individual and that’s really all that matters. Where Concorde and ufa should seem to focus on the team. Soccerhouse, you hit the nail on the head. There are two mandates at play here. AU is unabashedly all about developing the individual player, while UFA/CF are about developing an individual player to fit into a system or team. Non-MLS teams look to use the best players they can get to fill a hole or void. The goal of AU is to produce the next Andrew Carleton or Barco for the first team for cheaper than they would get them on the open market. Now, the competitiveness in all of us leads us to want to compare, especially when the view is that AU has everything stacked in their favor. I've always said, a decent team that plays as one unit were everyone buys in will always look better than a team of top players playing individually. You tend to notice the latter in the older AU teams.
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Post by infoguy on Mar 19, 2018 12:58:22 GMT -5
To me, with the exception of a couple to a few players, AU is exactly what's wrong with American soccer. Their CBs, for instance, are gigantic and extremely physical. Yes, they're very good. But not the best, and that's the problem. America is always about size... stupid.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Mar 19, 2018 13:59:07 GMT -5
There is no question for the 15s and 17s, their players are for the most part bigger, stronger and faster. And not just bigger, they are more thicker and physically mature. Very few skinny kids! if any at all.
Can't speak for the u13s/u14s other than the 3 or 4 grown men on the u13 team!
The UFA 17s definitely bunkered it and relied on counters mostly. They held their own though and deserve credit for going up 1-0 and then 2-1. The UFA 15s were outplayed for most of the game, but had some chances in the first half, very few 2nd half opportunities. The Atlanta United 15s do a great job playing through the keeper and then switching the field. There was no question as well, that Atlanta United players have a more attacking mentality as well and attempted more 1v1s etc. Again, credit for UFA for going 0-0. There is no question they are over matched on paper, 2 of the 3 national team players most recent call ups played as well.
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Post by soccergurl on Mar 19, 2018 15:14:21 GMT -5
I know i'm relatively new to the world of soccer and all that goes with it. Neither of us played the game and are only become interested since our kids seem to love it. I've learned a lot from forums like this and in speaking with others with many more years as players and parents. It just seems to me that most folks on this forum fall into one of three groups. The first are lovers of Concorde Fire club. Now for the record that's where my babies currently play and in a few years we hope they have the chance and ability to maybe make the top DA teams. Anytime someone says anything about CF, it's presumed negative and the CF parents come out in droves to defend the club and sometimes get personal in their attacks. Then there are those who are at other clubs and do a decent job trying to defend their choices and actions/inactions of their clubs. Finally there are the AU haters. I sometimes get the feeling that CF and AU are in competition, or should I say the parents are in competition. I also sometimes feel like the parents of some of the kids who didn't make it to AU are a little bitter because it oozes out of your words. Again, I have no allegiance to the AU youth teams, other than being a fan of the senior team and having a secret crush on Almiron. I see a lot of negative sentiments towards AU. From everything I've heard from others, they are trying to model their youth dept. after the successful clubs around the world. If we are talking about those in the youth dept. then let's remember that they are still our babies. Some look like young men I hear but that is still someone's child. I was under the impression that AU was the "destination club" That would mean they take the best and everyone else that "they" don't deem worthy goes to clubs like CF. I also hear that prior to AU, CF was the "destination club" That was what our old neighbors from Atlanta suggested to us when we told them we were moving to Atlanta. All in all, let's remember to step back, are you kids happy, developing and being treated with respect. If I were lucky enough to have my babies be considered for AU I believe I would take them up on their offer and i'm sure 80% or more of us would.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Mar 19, 2018 15:27:13 GMT -5
To me, with the exception of a couple to a few players, AU is exactly what's wrong with American soccer. Their CBs, for instance, are gigantic and extremely physical. Yes, they're very good. But not the best, and that's the problem. America is always about size... stupid. Curious if this is across all age groups or a specific age group you're referring to? Also do you mind elaborating on how AU is what's wrong with US Soccer?
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