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Post by soccerfan30 on May 6, 2018 11:07:46 GMT -5
Since you argue both against RPL and for RPL, You confirm the belief that this move by the Big 6 was a power grab. They wanted to remove Georgia Soccer from the middle and keep more money for themselves. But let’s not beat around the bush, let’s bump up the time table. Big 6 plan to migrate all of the teams to US Club, so let’s do it now. Good for competition and creates a perfect separation now. Divorce is ugly, let’s get it done quickly. Hopefully you aren't serious with this ranting. RPL was an unmitigated disaster. The organization, the schedule, communication was a mess. This has nothing to do with a money grab. Heck I called GA Soccer and they couldn't even tell me the qualification process for the U14 fall season, they weren't even sure what the spring 18 format was until they decided to do regional friendly schedule. Inventions, products and ideas are born because it doesn't exist, someone can do it better, or current products don't fulfill a need. The people that actually are the customers and do this for a living feel like they can offer something better for their clientele (aka their clubs).
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Post by soccerparent02 on May 6, 2018 11:11:28 GMT -5
Promotion and relegation really doesn't happen anywhere. Start with the MLS, no team gets relegated. The big clubs mostly take up the spots for DA, ECNL, RPL, etc. In the young select ages, this is mostly true for C1. Thus our men's performance in the national stage continues to be what it is. Our women due well in part to Title IX. where other countries spend much less on their women's programs. Looking out 10 years I will predict we will see the same. The only thing remaining the same is parents spending $ and this forum having a similar discussion on the next big change. How quickly we forget how the age mandate was the focus not long ago.
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Post by footy on May 6, 2018 11:36:42 GMT -5
btw hilarious that you argue how RPL sucks and then you argue how it needs to still be there for Big 6 teams. My kids aren't affected by SCCL so I don't have a dog in this fight, but I have friends whose kids would be hurt by the inability for their team to be promoted just because their team happens to belong to a Big 5 club. They aren't on the forum and haven't been following these discussions. Please explain to me how punishing the kids makes sense so I can warn them.
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Post by footy on May 6, 2018 11:39:12 GMT -5
Since you argue both against RPL and for RPL, You confirm the belief that this move by the Big 6 was a power grab. They wanted to remove Georgia Soccer from the middle and keep more money for themselves. But let’s not beat around the bush, let’s bump up the time table. Big 6 plan to migrate all of the teams to US Club, so let’s do it now. Good for competition and creates a perfect separation now. Divorce is ugly, let’s get it done quickly. I am not sure if you are addressing Soccermom or me, but I have no issue with RPL personally. My oldest is just getting to the age where that is an option. Others have said it is poorly run. Many others. But Georgia Soccer is not RPL. Georgia Soccer is Athena and Classic. I am not arguing for RPL. I am arguing that an open pyramid system is not in existence any more and that is only getting worse. I think everyone should come together and consider what is right for the kids. That is not happening by Club or Youth Soccer leadership. oraclesfriend This is the most level-headed, reasonable post I've read in a long time. We need to remember that youth soccer is all about the kids.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 6, 2018 11:49:12 GMT -5
The other amusing part you argue about is Athena A and Classic I winner not getting RPL anymore because that rule didn’t even exist two years ago. For 15 straight years teams won Athena A and Classic I and did not get promoted to RPL.
Big 6 made their power play move to US Club. It’s fine. Own it.
Big 6 should leave Georgia Soccer now because the Little clubs as you called them or the peasants if you prefer are tired of King Louis and Queen Maria Antoinette. The peasants rose up and want freedom from the Big 6.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 6, 2018 11:52:05 GMT -5
I am not sure if you are addressing Soccermom or me, but I have no issue with RPL personally. My oldest is just getting to the age where that is an option. Others have said it is poorly run. Many others. But Georgia Soccer is not RPL. Georgia Soccer is Athena and Classic. I am not arguing for RPL. I am arguing that an open pyramid system is not in existence any more and that is only getting worse. I think everyone should come together and consider what is right for the kids. That is not happening by Club or Youth Soccer leadership. oraclesfriend This is the most level-headed, reasonable post I've read in a long time. We need to remember that youth soccer is all about the kids. Problem is easily solved. Big 6 simply drop their aspirations of moving to Us Club and everything will be fine.
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Post by insideinfo on May 6, 2018 11:55:34 GMT -5
Only thing I know is AFU is keeping ECNL and will also be in the revamped National League Who knows how it will all shake out @source you are absolutely correct that AFU will have both ECNL and NL this year. What you failed to mention, however, is that AFU and another club were simply granted one-year waivers, so you will be in the same situation as the Big 5 a year from now.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 6, 2018 11:55:55 GMT -5
That’s not a problem at all. In the near future those teams can move to one of the Little 5/others and play RPL. All is well. As the Big 6 move fully to US Club over the long run it will no longer be an issue at all. Parents will all benefit from the increased competition. Ultimately this is all very good for your children and mine. but you aren’t arguing for your kids. My guess is you work for one of the Big 6 and all this added competition scares the Big 6. It was a big move when you guys decided to start the move to US Club. Well it’s done now. Own it and move on. btw hilarious that you argue how RPL sucks and then you argue how it needs to still be there for Big 6 teams. I don't work for any club, if I did I would be making the big bucks like you. Im arguing that the true competition is to allow whoever wins to move to the next level. Not give a participation trophy Lol I don’t work for any club. Big 6 made this mess and they can clean it up. Abandon SCCL and US Club move and all will work out. otherwise escalate their time table and get out of Georgia Soccer now. It’s only going to get worse. My club coach told me plans are in the works for the Little Clubs to vote in Bylaws and Rules to make things even more difficult for the Big 6. Exciting times in Georgia Soccer
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 12:40:21 GMT -5
Only thing I know is AFU is keeping ECNL and will also be in the revamped National League Who knows how it will all shake out @source you are absolutely correct that AFU will have both ECNL and NL this year. What you failed to mention, however, is that AFU and another club were simply granted one-year waivers, so you will be in the same situation as the Big 5 a year from now.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 12:41:14 GMT -5
@source you are absolutely correct that AFU will have both ECNL and NL this year. What you failed to mention, however, is that AFU and another club were simply granted one-year waivers, so you will be in the same situation as the Big 5 a year from now.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 12:42:02 GMT -5
Nope. You are wrong .
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Post by SoccerMom on May 6, 2018 13:19:04 GMT -5
He is correct! The deal for AFU and AFC is only for 1 year. In a year they will have to make a decision to drop ECNL/NPL or can't compete in the Piedmont League. And what will you tell parents then? It would be suicide for AFU to give up ECNL. The deal is not a secret, but its just a temporary fix. Next year AFU will join SCCL.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:33:39 GMT -5
If you say so. We will speak in 12 months .
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Post by greenmonkey on May 6, 2018 13:36:47 GMT -5
He is correct! The deal for AFU and AFC is only for 1 year. In a year they will have to make a decision to drop ECNL/NPL or can't compete in the Piedmont League. And what will you tell parents then? It would be suicide for AFU to give up ECNL. The deal is not a secret, but its just a temporary fix. Next year AFU will join SCCL. SoccerMom two questions for clarity By next year AFU/AFC will join SCCL do you mean the 2018-2019 season or the 2019-2020 season. And again for clarity If a club keeps US Club Soccer affiliation (ie: ECNL) they will not be able to keep US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer/ODP/NL) and that is why they might wish to create a SCCL so that the "non" ECNL teams would still have a competitive league to play in? I think I now understand why the DA / ECNL choice could be "mandated" but then why would UFA which would presumably want to keep DA wish to severe ties with US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer)?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5
He is correct! The deal for AFU and AFC is only for 1 year. In a year they will have to make a decision to drop ECNL/NPL or can't compete in the Piedmont League. And what will you tell parents then? It would be suicide for AFU to give up ECNL. The deal is not a secret, but its just a temporary fix. Next year AFU will join SCCL. SoccerMom two questions for clarity By next year AFU/AFC will join SCCL do you mean the 2018-2019 season or the 2019-2020 season. And again for clarity If a club keeps US Club Soccer affiliation (ie: ECNL) they will not be able to keep US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer/ODP/NL) and that is why they might wish to create a SCCL so that the "non" ECNL teams would still have a competitive league to play in? I think I now understand why the DA / ECNL choice could be "mandated" but then why would UFA which would presumably want to keep DA wish to severe ties with US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer)?
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Post by SoccerMom on May 6, 2018 13:50:32 GMT -5
He is correct! The deal for AFU and AFC is only for 1 year. In a year they will have to make a decision to drop ECNL/NPL or can't compete in the Piedmont League. And what will you tell parents then? It would be suicide for AFU to give up ECNL. The deal is not a secret, but its just a temporary fix. Next year AFU will join SCCL. SoccerMom two questions for clarity By next year AFU/AFC will join SCCL do you mean the 2018-2019 season or the 2019-2020 season. And again for clarity If a club keeps US Club Soccer affiliation (ie: ECNL) they will not be able to keep US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer/ODP/NL) and that is why they might wish to create a SCCL so that the "non" ECNL teams would still have a competitive league to play in? I think I now understand why the DA / ECNL choice could be "mandated" but then why would UFA which would presumably want to keep DA wish to severe ties with US Youth Soccer affiliation (ie: Georgia Soccer)? 1. AFU will join SCCL next year (2019-2020) because they will not drop ECNL. AFC will probably drop NPL and stay RPL/NL 2. If a club keeps another affiliation then they cant play RPL/NPL, theyre still part of GA Soccer, their other teams will still play Select. 3.USYS and GA Soccer are not the same entity. UFA didn't say they were leaving GA soccer. That was all fabricated by 411 who is trying to spread propaganda so parents can go to his small club.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 13:53:02 GMT -5
I’ll allow soccermom to tell you her answer to this .
But remember two things :
1. Way back , I told people here the DA/ECNL clubs would lose one . I was told I was wrong . Now people are saying “Everyone knows that “. I was correct then.
2. Next , around late November I told people of thenew league coming . No one thought much of it . Now , everyone is an expert and says “it’s no secret”. I was right there also.
3. Then , I told everyone AFU would be allowed to keep ECNL and join the Piedmont League. At first ,the expert crowd here said I was wrong . But now , the experts here say “That’s no secret , BUT , it’s only for one year .... Again, things I said a month ago and ridiculed for came true .
4. So here were are at number FOUR on my list of predictions . I will say it one more time and then I’m done until we have this discussion again next year :AFU will keep ECNL and KEEP their membership in Pioneer League and NL.
But , listen to soccermom if you choose.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2018 14:08:14 GMT -5
I’ll allow soccermom to tell you her answer to this . But remember two things : 1. Way back , I told people here the DA/ECNL clubs would lose one . I was told I was wrong . Now people are saying “Everyone knows that “. I was correct then. 2. Next , around late November I told people of thenew league coming . No one thought much of it . Now , everyone is an expert and says “it’s no secret”. I was right there also. 3. Then , I told everyone AFU would be allowed to keep ECNL and join the Piedmont League. At first ,the expert crowd here said I was wrong . But now , the experts here say “That’s no secret , BUT , it’s only for one year .... Again, things I said a month ago and ridiculed for came true . 4. So here were are at number FOUR on my list of predictions . I will say it one more time and then I’m done until we have this discussion again next year :AFU will keep ECNL and KEEP their membership in Pioneer League and NL. But , listen to soccermom if you choose. All of this may be true. I have not gone back to confirm by reading all of your posts. I am not arguing with you, but I will say that if their rule says no affiliation with outside leagues (US Club soccer, which runs ECNL, NPL and SCCL, or Super Y) then to allow AFU to stay in Piedmont League/NL and ECNL is the most crooked, hypocritical thing they could do and would cause them to lose all credibility.
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Post by neymarscleats on May 6, 2018 14:16:03 GMT -5
I’ll allow soccermom to tell you her answer to this . But remember two things : 1. Way back , I told people here the DA/ECNL clubs would lose one . I was told I was wrong . Now people are saying “Everyone knows that “. I was correct then. 2. Next , around late November I told people of thenew league coming . No one thought much of it . Now , everyone is an expert and says “it’s no secret”. I was right there also. 3. Then , I told everyone AFU would be allowed to keep ECNL and join the Piedmont League. At first ,the expert crowd here said I was wrong . But now , the experts here say “That’s no secret , BUT , it’s only for one year .... Again, things I said a month ago and ridiculed for came true . 4. So here were are at number FOUR on my list of predictions . I will say it one more time and then I’m done until we have this discussion again next year :AFU will keep ECNL and KEEP their membership in Pioneer League and NL. But , listen to soccermom if you choose. All of this may be true. I have not gone back to confirm by reading all of your posts. I am not arguing with you, but I will say that if their rule says no affiliation with outside leagues (US Club soccer, which runs ECNL, NPL and SCCL, or Super Y) then to allow AFU to stay in Piedmont League/NL and ECNL is the most crooked, hypocritical thing they could do and would cause them to lose all creditibility. Why would AFU lose credibility in your scenario? If they can engineer a deal whereby they are rewarded for their allegiance by keeping ECNL then how does AFU lose credibility? They would have an elite option which keeps them as a destination club while maintaining their status within GA Soccer. Brilliant if they can pull it off. by not buying into the rebels or was asked politely or impolitely to not be part of Big 6 now Big 5 then he they made the next best deal. Keeping ECNL is vital to keep leverage as a destination club by having that elite option and a national connection. They provide an alternative. To me looks like good business decision if the five families are going to force out a member
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Post by neymarscleats on May 6, 2018 14:23:56 GMT -5
All of this may be true. I have not gone back to confirm by reading all of your posts. I am not arguing with you, but I will say that if their rule says no affiliation with outside leagues (US Club soccer, which runs ECNL, NPL and SCCL, or Super Y) then to allow AFU to stay in Piedmont League/NL and ECNL is the most crooked, hypocritical thing they could do and would cause them to lose all creditibility. Why would AFU lose credibility in your scenario? If they can engineer a deal whereby they are rewarded for their allegiance by keeping ECNL then how does AFU lose credibility? They would have an elite option which keeps them as a destination club while maintaining their status within GA Soccer. Brilliant if they can pull it off. by not buying into the rebels or was asked politely or impolitely to not be part of Big 6 now Big 5 then he they made the next best deal. Keeping ECNL is vital to keep leverage as a destination club by having that elite option and a national connection. They provide an alternative. To me looks like good business decision if the five families are going to force out a member Sorry if i misread but if you meant GA Soccer loses credibility, well I always thought that was a given. And if that is what you meant...please carry on and good point. But would it matter? I mean, stay out of SCCL and you can keep ECNL seems like the deal unless I am missing something.
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Post by dad on May 6, 2018 14:44:06 GMT -5
The Piedmont league will clearly be the most competitive league in Georgia behind GDA. Ecnl:watered down. Sccl: Mostly Athena 1 and 2 teams.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2018 14:45:11 GMT -5
Why would AFU lose credibility in your scenario? If they can engineer a deal whereby they are rewarded for their allegiance by keeping ECNL then how does AFU lose credibility? They would have an elite option which keeps them as a destination club while maintaining their status within GA Soccer. Brilliant if they can pull it off. by not buying into the rebels or was asked politely or impolitely to not be part of Big 6 now Big 5 then he they made the next best deal. Keeping ECNL is vital to keep leverage as a destination club by having that elite option and a national connection. They provide an alternative. To me looks like good business decision if the five families are going to force out a member Sorry if i misread but if you meant GA Soccer loses credibility, well I always thought that was a given. And if that is what you meant...please carry on and good point. But would it matter? I mean, stay out of SCCL and you can keep ECNL seems like the deal unless I am missing something. Yes I meant Georgia Soccer loses credibility. I agree if AFU manages that it is a brilliant plan on their part. If they (Georgia Soccer) make a rule that allows for one club to be an exception long term (the waiver for one year I understand because people have to have some time to make adjustments) it would be very hypocritical. Otherwise their rule should just say joining SCCL should be the thing that excludes you from Piedmont League and NL. The whole thing is a big mess. I totally get why people say RPL was POORLY run. I get the desire for less travel and thus less money spent on travel. I get the desire for the league to make it happen. I just wonder if North Carolina, South Carolina, Arkansas, Virginia, Texas, Florida and California have the same issues. Because all of those states have had or recently started the same type of league as SCCL. There may be more...those are just the ones of which I am aware.
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Post by dad on May 6, 2018 14:45:22 GMT -5
Any news from CF yet?
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on May 6, 2018 14:53:50 GMT -5
The Piedmont league will clearly be the most competitive league in Georgia behind GDA. Ecnl:watered down. Sccl: Mostly Athena 1 and 2 teams. Yes, I agree. It’s one of the great benefits of the Big 6 leaving. uS Youth Soccer is now redoubling it’s sfforts to make a better program.
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Post by tm02g on May 6, 2018 14:54:19 GMT -5
I’ll allow soccermom to tell you her answer to this . But remember two things : 1. Way back , I told people here the DA/ECNL clubs would lose one . I was told I was wrong . Now people are saying “Everyone knows that “. I was correct then. 2. Next , around late November I told people of thenew league coming . No one thought much of it . Now , everyone is an expert and says “it’s no secret”. I was right there also. 3. Then , I told everyone AFU would be allowed to keep ECNL and join the Piedmont League. At first ,the expert crowd here said I was wrong . But now , the experts here say “That’s no secret , BUT , it’s only for one year .... Again, things I said a month ago and ridiculed for came true . 4. So here were are at number FOUR on my list of predictions . I will say it one more time and then I’m done until we have this discussion again next year :AFU will keep ECNL and KEEP their membership in Pioneer League and NL. But , listen to soccermom if you choose. According to the Waiver Policy document on the Georgia Soccer website, Georgia Soccer will require AFU to sign a contract by May 20, 2018 the would prohibit them from participating in ECNL, a U.S. Club Soccer league, starting in Fall 2019: www.georgiasoccer.org/FileDownload.aspx?D=Xk7a2b2hlrNnkX3vIxpT8LBA3Pm599LaeJfuByBxi5M=If Georgia Soccer requires other clubs such as AFC Lightning to do the same, giving up NPL, and then turns around and allows AFU to keep ECNL but also participate in NL/NLPC, I predict that US Youth Soccer would strike down Georgia Soccer's National League Selection Criteria and Team Continuity Policy as unenforceable due to their selective enforcement showing their bias.
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Post by oraclesfriend on May 6, 2018 15:26:09 GMT -5
I have seen two places that people posted that DA is gone, but I have yet to see anyone show anything official. I am still waiting to see if it is official.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 15:55:30 GMT -5
DA is gone
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 6, 2018 15:57:15 GMT -5
Please clarify for the forumites—
1) girls only 2) boys only 3) both boys and girls
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2018 16:03:08 GMT -5
1. CF lost girls last night . 2. May or may not lose boys DA
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 6, 2018 16:05:36 GMT -5
Thanks @source
Now to clarify again
1) lost girls DA or 2) gave up girls DA and chose ecnl instead
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