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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 26, 2018 15:17:00 GMT -5
Grievance will take 120 days. Meanwhile US Soccer, which has its own issues with US Club, has been kind enough to tell us exactly what is needed to make the policy change compliant with US Soccer.
Clubs will have to make a decision because moving forward they will not be able to support elite level teams in multiple elite leagues.
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Post by randomparent on Apr 26, 2018 16:55:18 GMT -5
Could someone step back and tell me why as a parent I should care about any of this.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 26, 2018 17:27:11 GMT -5
Depends on what level your child plays soccer. Moving forward DA, ECNL and now NL are moving to a leagues that will require exclusivity. The mode where clubs offer multiple league programming from US Club, USSF and US Youth is going away.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 26, 2018 18:13:40 GMT -5
Could someone step back and tell me why as a parent I should care about any of this. If your happy with your Coach/Club clap your hands! If your happy with your Coach/Club clap your hands! If your happy with your Coach/Club and you really want to show it, If your happy and you know it clap your hands! 👏👏👏👏 No worries unless your child doesn’t make the same team/coach then who knows where you will go? Stay tuned! |
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 26, 2018 18:20:52 GMT -5
Could someone step back and tell me why as a parent I should care about any of this. If your happy with your Coach/Club clap your hands! If your happy with your Coach/Club clap your hands! If your happy with your Coach/Club and you really want to show it, If your happy and you know it clap your hands! 👏👏👏👏 No worries unless your child doesn’t make the same team/coach then who knows where you will go? Stay tuned! Just kidding as the landscape for Youth Soccer is changing again. |
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Post by wyona on Apr 26, 2018 18:29:33 GMT -5
I think we can all take some blame for the state of GA soccer at the moment.
-Mediocre Coaches chasing money and bouncing from club to club.
-Parents that never seem to be satisfied with where they are at.
-Clubs that think they know better than everybody else.
-GA soccer for their lack of leadership.
We’ve found ourselves at a point now where the only true losers are the poor kids that are just trying to enjoy the game. Hopefully one day we can all get on the same page and make it about the kids again.
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Post by infoguy on Apr 27, 2018 7:33:16 GMT -5
It’s a mess, I agree. And it’s also the chicken and the egg, when trying to identify the protagonist. That said, for me, as a parent trying to do what’s best for my son, as soon as I realized he’s a competitive player, I began to navigate the club system as it stood 7 years ago through today. I do believe that the clubs are as such because of their competitive business approach. Coaches are quick to roll their eyes at parents questions and actions, all the while it’s the clubs and leagues trying to gain a market share by creating this or that. There is a very minor group of parents that will hold these clubs’ and coaches’ feet to the fire in terms of providing opportunity or taking a new approach for our kids if they should stay on. It is usually met with pushback, and parents don’t want t disrespect the coaches or be considered a problem parent.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 27, 2018 17:31:34 GMT -5
Just saw this tweet in the sidebar:
@markroot14: Sign of the apocalypse: In SC, USYSA and US Club have just created competing leagues for U12 and younger. The race to convince parents of a "better" league is on. The race to create better soccer, not so much.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 27, 2018 17:31:47 GMT -5
Realization is setting in. The Big 5 will not be withdrawing their teams from Georgia Soccer. They will be moving forward with SCCL though at least one of them, SSA, is having second thoughts.
Losing NL is an expensive price to pay for SCCL membership.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 27, 2018 17:51:48 GMT -5
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 27, 2018 17:58:31 GMT -5
Yes, they would have to give that up as well.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 27, 2018 17:59:07 GMT -5
US Club Soccer or US Youth Soccer both offer leagues with opportunities to qualify for promotion.
USYS: Classic, SRPL
US Club Soccer: Premier Leagues, National Premier League and ENPL
Not sure I see the advantage of one over the other. The negative to this is there are a lot of clubs in GA that Big 5 will not compete against: GA Storm, Roswell, GA Rush, KSA, etc. But you add in BUSA, CESA and VHSC.
So until I know more I can't really say whether it is a good idea or bad idea.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 18:01:48 GMT -5
Realization is setting in. The Big 5 will not be withdrawing their teams from Georgia Soccer. They will be moving forward with SCCL though at least one of them, SSA, is having second thoughts. Losing NL is an expensive price to pay for SCCL membership. SSA didnt have any teams in NL 🤔 GA had 3 boys teams and 4 girls teams in NL last year. |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 27, 2018 18:32:31 GMT -5
Realization is setting in. The Big 5 will not be withdrawing their teams from Georgia Soccer. They will be moving forward with SCCL though at least one of them, SSA, is having second thoughts. Losing NL is an expensive price to pay for SCCL membership. SSA didnt have any teams in NL 🤔 GA had 3 boys teams and 4 girls teams in NL last year. You are wrong on both accounts: (1) SSA had older girls NL team this past fall. (2) SRPL has been incorporated into NL for Fall 2018 |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 18:38:31 GMT -5
SSA didnt have any teams in NL 🤔 GA had 3 boys teams and 4 girls teams in NL last year. You are wrong on both accounts: (1) SSA had older girls NL team this past fall. (2) SRPL has been incorporated into NL for Fall 2018 You are correct, didnt see them. They also finished dead last and are graduating this year. |
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Post by infoguy on Apr 27, 2018 19:22:48 GMT -5
Realization is setting in. The Big 5 will not be withdrawing their teams from Georgia Soccer. They will be moving forward with SCCL though at least one of them, SSA, is having second thoughts. Losing NL is an expensive price to pay for SCCL membership. How is it possible that the big 5 won’t withdraw from GA Soccer and also move forward with SCCL? |
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 27, 2018 19:40:46 GMT -5
Realization is setting in. The Big 5 will not be withdrawing their teams from Georgia Soccer. They will be moving forward with SCCL though at least one of them, SSA, is having second thoughts. Losing NL is an expensive price to pay for SCCL membership. How is it possible that the big 5 won’t withdraw from GA Soccer and also move forward with SCCL? 1. SCCL is US Club and not USYS/Georgia Soccer 2. Big 5 backed down from wothdrawing all teams from Georgia Soccer. The threat of withdrawing all teams is their go to leverage device that they have used for years. It didn’t work this time. |
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 27, 2018 19:41:31 GMT -5
You are wrong on both accounts: (1) SSA had older girls NL team this past fall. (2) SRPL has been incorporated into NL for Fall 2018 You are correct, didnt see them. They also finished dead last and are graduating this year. Their 05 girls would likely qualify for NL next Fall. Their 03 boys and 04 girls would qualify for Premier SRPL (or whatever the new name is) next year. Their 04 and 05 Boys DA teams have done quite well and would have to eventually funnel back into one of these higher leagues without DA status in the older age groups. Their 06, 05, 04, and 00 girls all won their NPL league and received bids to NPL Nationals this summer. So this decision does impact SSA substantially. Especially since they are the only one of the Big 5 without DA or ECNL. Will be interesting to see where they land. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 19:45:52 GMT -5
You are correct, didnt see them. They also finished dead last and are graduating this year. Their 05 girls would likely qualify for NL next Fall. Their 03 boys and 04 girls would qualify for Premier SRPL (or whatever the new name is) next year. Their 04 and 05 Boys DA teams have done quite well and would have to eventually funnel back into one of these higher leagues without DA status in the older age groups. Their 06, 05, 04, and 00 girls all won their NPL league and received bids to NPL Nationals this summer. So this decision does impact SSA substantially. Especially since they are the only one of the Big 5 without DA or ECNL. Will be interesting to see where they land. Unfortunately those DA teams that are funneling back have been told that they will be placed in Classic 2. I am sure that SSA has thought of all of this before deciding this. I am hearing there's more changes coming down. |
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Post by infoguy on Apr 27, 2018 19:54:08 GMT -5
How is it possible that the big 5 won’t withdraw from GA Soccer and also move forward with SCCL? 1. SCCL is US Club and not USYS/Georgia Soccer 2. Big 5 backed down from wothdrawing all teams from Georgia Soccer. The threat of withdrawing all teams is their go to leverage device that they have used for years. It didn’t work this time. I was confused over ur wording - I understand the distinction between the 2 leagues. You’re post read to me like all 5 are moving forward with SCCL and staying with GA Soccer. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 20:09:18 GMT -5
How is it possible that the big 5 won’t withdraw from GA Soccer and also move forward with SCCL? 1. SCCL is US Club and not USYS/Georgia Soccer 2. Big 5 backed down from wothdrawing all teams from Georgia Soccer. The threat of withdrawing all teams is their go to leverage device that they have used for years. It didn’t work this time. The big 5 never wanted to leave GA Soccer, they wanted to leave RPL because it was run so badly. The other clubs should have been overjoyed about this! It meant that their clubs now had a chance to put more teams in there. In fact...SSA had every intention of playing RPL but then they were told they couldnt if they did this. At the end of the day i dont know why the other clubs care so much except that they were not invited to the new league. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 20:15:09 GMT -5
1. SCCL is US Club and not USYS/Georgia Soccer 2. Big 5 backed down from wothdrawing all teams from Georgia Soccer. The threat of withdrawing all teams is their go to leverage device that they have used for years. It didn’t work this time. I was confused over ur wording - I understand the distinction between the 2 leagues. You’re post read to me like all 5 are moving forward with SCCL and staying with GA Soccer. They are moving forward with SCCL and they're staying with GA soccer. Their teams that dont play DA, ECNL, NPL or SCCL will play Classic/Athena |
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Post by infoguy on Apr 27, 2018 20:16:35 GMT -5
I was confused over ur wording - I understand the distinction between the 2 leagues. You’re post read to me like all 5 are moving forward with SCCL and staying with GA Soccer. They are moving forward with SCCL and they're staying with GA soccer. Their teams that dont play DA, ECNL, NPL or SCCL will play Classic/Athena Ok - I thought that playing SCCL, like NPL and ECNL, meant you can’t stick with GA Soccer. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 20:22:06 GMT -5
They are moving forward with SCCL and they're staying with GA soccer. Their teams that dont play DA, ECNL, NPL or SCCL will play Classic/Athena Ok - I thought that playing SCCL, like NPL and ECNL, meant you can’t stick with GA Soccer. No, it means they cant play RPL/NL So for example...NTH: 1st team DA 2nd team ECNL 3rd team NPL 4th team SCCL 5th team - Athena/Classic If NTH's 5th team wins Athena A or Classic 1, they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL If NTH's 5th team wins State Cup, then wins Regionals or Regionals & Nationals...they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 27, 2018 20:35:06 GMT -5
Ok - I thought that playing SCCL, like NPL and ECNL, meant you can’t stick with GA Soccer. No, it means they cant play RPL/NL So for example...NTH: 1st team DA 2nd team ECNL 3rd team NPL 4th team SCCL 5th team - Athena/Classic If NTH's 5th team wins Athena A or Classic 1, they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL If NTH's 5th team wins State Cup, then wins Regionals or Regionals & Nationals...they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL Is their 3rd team really going to do NPL and 4th SCCL? That isn't what their website says. Though they don't specify which team is doing what they do list DA, ECNL, SCCL and Athena. It doesn't say anything about NPL. I had heard UFA was going to do NPL but they already do. I had not heard about anyone else doing it. What about CF and GSA? Anyone else joining NPL. Otherwise, I agree with your statement. I don't know why everyone thought that Ga Soccer email/announcement meant they weren't doing Athena...it only states National League and new RPL |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 20:48:58 GMT -5
No, it means they cant play RPL/NL So for example...NTH: 1st team DA 2nd team ECNL 3rd team NPL 4th team SCCL 5th team - Athena/Classic If NTH's 5th team wins Athena A or Classic 1, they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL If NTH's 5th team wins State Cup, then wins Regionals or Regionals & Nationals...they cannot be promoted to RPL/NL Is their 3rd team really going to do NPL and 4th SCCL? That isn't what their website says. Though they don't specify which team is doing what they do list DA, ECNL, SCCL and Athena. It doesn't say anything about NPL. I had heard UFA was going to do NPL but they already do. I had not heard about anyone else doing it. What about CF and GSA? Anyone else joining NPL. Otherwise, I agree with your statement. I don't know why everyone thought that Ga Soccer email/announcement meant they weren't doing Athena...it only states National League and new RPL You're right....remove NPL from there. So instead of 5th, its 4th team in my example, i was just trying to break it down. SSA also does NPL and AFC. |
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Post by oraclesfriend on Apr 27, 2018 21:06:14 GMT -5
Is their 3rd team really going to do NPL and 4th SCCL? That isn't what their website says. Though they don't specify which team is doing what they do list DA, ECNL, SCCL and Athena. It doesn't say anything about NPL. I had heard UFA was going to do NPL but they already do. I had not heard about anyone else doing it. What about CF and GSA? Anyone else joining NPL. Otherwise, I agree with your statement. I don't know why everyone thought that Ga Soccer email/announcement meant they weren't doing Athena...it only states National League and new RPL You're right....remove NPL from there. So instead of 5th, its 4th team in my example, i was just trying to break it down. SSA also does NPL and AFC. I have been wondering how AFC will end up responding to this situation. Originally I didn't know that SCCL might be layered after NPL for SSA and UFA or that NPL was going to be expanded. Interesting. |
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 27, 2018 21:59:36 GMT -5
You're right....remove NPL from there. So instead of 5th, its 4th team in my example, i was just trying to break it down. SSA also does NPL and AFC. I have been wondering how AFC will end up responding to this situation. Originally I didn't know that SCCL might be layered after NPL for SSA and UFA or that NPL was going to be expanded. Interesting. They may decide to drop NPL. I don't think they had a team in every age group and gender. Its a shame that they even have to choose. |
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Post by rifle on Apr 28, 2018 6:44:03 GMT -5
What was it that made RPL so poorly run? Just total mismanagement(poor leadership), apathy, a mutiny?
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 28, 2018 7:33:16 GMT -5
What was it that made RPL so poorly run? Just total mismanagement(poor leadership), apathy, a mutiny? Mismanagement I think. For example I haven't managed a team for them in a while, yet they still email me changes. We have given up telling them, I just forward stuff now. I think with the NL guy now in charge things will run better since he has more experience. |
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