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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 25, 2018 8:21:04 GMT -5
This is more than than watching Netflix, lol
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Post by soccermaxx72 on Apr 25, 2018 8:26:40 GMT -5
The new Champions League will now include: Concorde Fire White GSA South White NTH NASA Royal SSA Select Gold SSA Select Green SSA Select Red SSA Savannah Blue SSA Select White UFA South Georgia UFA Mountains White UFA White Look, I don't know what age group your kid is in or how those pairings were figured out but if it were to happen to my kids age group the entire group of teams that would be involved in this would be as follows: Tophat navy, white, blue, white QP and white MN (that is saying they drop the gold team name which they usually do when they have both DA and ECNL at an age group), possibly Tophat Sharks (aka LSA) GSA south premier, North premier, South red , North red UFA premier, red, gold and possibly black (depending on numbers leaving/coming with this mess and the DA), Norcross premier and South Georgia (provided far away parts of the club are added) Concorde Central black, white, North black, West black and South Black SSA elite (unless they somehow plan to get around the RPL thing), premier, select black. Select blue, select white, select gold 1 and 2, Savannah??? That is 30 teams. If what you think is happening actually is happening...that is still a lot of teams to play and make fair and decent brackets. Personally I was not for the Champions League idea and certainly think it makes a mess of things to have these 5 clubs pull out and who knows what happens to AFU...but I will still suggest you wait to see if what one coach tells you is actually true. Especially with your pairings you put above. Seems a little premature for them to announce the brackets when they haven't even made the announcement at all. From a friend who's kid plays at Lanier, the new NTH Sharks will not be part of the Champions league, they will play Athena and if teams qualify they will play or retain their National League.
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 25, 2018 8:51:20 GMT -5
Not just those clubs, Impact, Smyrna, AFC, RYSA all have Super Y.
GA Super Y teams: AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the new Smyrna/Impact United. I don't know if every club fields a team in every age group, boys & girls, but I believe those are all the clubs that participate. I can't see those clubs all giving up on Super Y - seems like a good programming offering for them.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 25, 2018 9:04:15 GMT -5
Not just those clubs, Impact, Smyrna, AFC, RYSA all have Super Y.
GA Super Y teams: AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the new Smyrna/Impact United. I don't know if every club fields a team in every age group, boys & girls, but I believe those are all the clubs that participate. I can't see those clubs all giving up on Super Y - seems like a good programming offering for them. I was told by one of those clubs, that Impact and Smyrna were leaving Super Y. They were the ones leading this vote. AFC has NPL and Super Y, not sure what they will do? Maybe they will join Champions League. I guess we wait
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 25, 2018 9:16:25 GMT -5
GA Super Y teams: AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the new Smyrna/Impact United. I don't know if every club fields a team in every age group, boys & girls, but I believe those are all the clubs that participate. I can't see those clubs all giving up on Super Y - seems like a good programming offering for them. I was told by one of those clubs, that Impact and Smyrna were leaving Super Y. They were the ones leading this vote. AFC has NPL and Super Y, not sure what they will do? Maybe they will join Champions League. I guess we wait ECNL - Atlanta Fire, Tophat, Concorde, GSA Champions League - Tophat, Concorde, GSA, SSA, UFA (from GA) NPL - UFA, SSA (now their top league?), AFC (If they stay?) Super Y - AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the New Smyrna/Impact United The goal here was to punish the big 5, but I don't see how these changes accomplish it. SSA suffers because they don't have DA/ECNL or RPL now. But no one else wanted to play in RPL anyways. Instead, you punish AFC (they have to choose NPL or RPL) and every club that has Super Y. I imagine DDY, RYSA and some others really rely on Super Y revenue. As of now, It seems like SSA and AFC are the real losers out of all this, while the driving forces behind these changes go largely unaffected.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 25, 2018 9:25:12 GMT -5
I was told by one of those clubs, that Impact and Smyrna were leaving Super Y. They were the ones leading this vote. AFC has NPL and Super Y, not sure what they will do? Maybe they will join Champions League. I guess we wait ECNL - Atlanta Fire, Tophat, Concorde, GSA Champions League - Tophat, Concorde, GSA, SSA, UFA (from GA) NPL - UFA, SSA (now their top league?), AFC (If they stay?) Super Y - AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the New Smyrna/Impact United The goal here was to punish the big 5, but I don't see how these changes accomplish it. SSA suffers because they don't have DA/ECNL or RPL now. But no one else wanted to play in RPL anyways. Instead, you punish AFC (they have to choose NPL or RPL) and every club that has Super Y. I imagine DDY, RYSA and some others really rely on Super Y revenue. As of now, It seems like SSA and AFC are the real losers out of all this, while the driving forces behind these changes go largely unaffected. I agree lots of collateral damage. At least SSA has champions league. AFC has to make a decision quick. Yes this was to punish the big 5 and it will hurt some smaller clubs. Super Y and NPL created extra revenue for them
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 25, 2018 9:27:32 GMT -5
GA Super Y teams: AFC, Alpharetta Ambush, AFU, SSA (Atl Metros), CF, DDY, RYSA (Ga Revolution), Ga Storm, UFA, and the new Smyrna/Impact United. I don't know if every club fields a team in every age group, boys & girls, but I believe those are all the clubs that participate. I can't see those clubs all giving up on Super Y - seems like a good programming offering for them. I was told by one of those clubs, that Impact and Smyrna were leaving Super Y. They were the ones leading this vote. AFC has NPL and Super Y, not sure what they will do? Maybe they will join Champions League. I guess we wait Seems odd... Smyrna and Impact just joined to specifically participate in Super Y and together apply for DA: www.smyrnasoccerclub.com/doclib/Smyrna%20Impact%20United%20Super%20Y%20Release%20PDF.pdfOf those Super Y clubs: AFC, SSA, CF, and UFA all have DA programs as well (with Smyrna/Impact applying for 2019).
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 25, 2018 9:32:24 GMT -5
I was told by one of those clubs, that Impact and Smyrna were leaving Super Y. They were the ones leading this vote. AFC has NPL and Super Y, not sure what they will do? Maybe they will join Champions League. I guess we wait Seems odd... Smyrna and Impact just joined to specifically participate in Super Y and together apply for DA: www.smyrnasoccerclub.com/doclib/Smyrna%20Impact%20United%20Super%20Y%20Release%20PDF.pdfOf those Super Y clubs: AFC, SSA, CF, and UFA all have DA programs as well (with Smyrna/Impact applying for 2019). I was told last week by Impact that they will not participate in Super Y anymore because of this change. That announcement was in Jan, before all of this. As far as DA, yes they have applied together as an alliance for 2019 for the younger ages. DA is excluded from this mess so those plans are still on. They also still need to be accepted
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Post by soccernotfootball on Apr 25, 2018 9:43:13 GMT -5
I was told last week by Impact that they will not participate in Super Y anymore because of this change. That announcement was in Jan, before all of this. As far as DA, yes they have applied together as an alliance for 2019 for the younger ages. DA is excluded from this mess so those plans are still on. They also still need to be accepted Yes, I know it's separate. But it seems that about half of the Super Y clubs also have DA. I would theorize that having Super Y (and other competitive programming) actually helps clubs with DA... at least u12, maybe up to 14? My theory: the more you have to offer, the more your competitive kids play. The more they play, the better they get - possibly reaching the DA levels. Also, it keeps your kids involved in your club and it brings in players from other clubs that do not offer as much programming. IMO. So if I was in charge of a club, I wouldn't decrease my programming. But what do I know - I'm just a parent that pays for everything ;-)
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Post by infoguy on Apr 25, 2018 9:52:30 GMT -5
Super Y helped us network with our current club, moving from a smaller club. That said, Super Y isn't what it used to be, and I think most clubs, especially those with young DA programs, would be OK with getting rid of it.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 25, 2018 10:14:32 GMT -5
This is more than than watching Netflix, lol Where's the popcorn-eating emoji when you need it?
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 25, 2018 10:19:33 GMT -5
Super-Y being summer/winter soccer and GA Soccer not having an alternative that I know of, it doesn't make sense. Will GA soccer come down on the independent summer/winter indoor leagues next?
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Post by atv on Apr 25, 2018 10:53:58 GMT -5
Super Y has become a recruiting/ networking tool (if you want to change clubs) and a summer option to camps.
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Post by betonsoccer on Apr 25, 2018 12:36:21 GMT -5
Clubs have also already declared and paid bonds on Super Y season. They're unlikely to just eat that cost and pull out. Link to the waiver indicates there's an exception this year for all the clubs with Super Y.
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Post by atlsoccer on Apr 25, 2018 13:01:05 GMT -5
Clubs have also already declared and paid bonds on Super Y season. They're unlikely to just eat that cost and pull out. Link to the waiver indicates there's an exception this year for all the clubs with Super Y. Any other exceptions?
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Post by hateallthesechanges on Apr 25, 2018 13:22:53 GMT -5
Forgive me if this sounds ignorant. But GA Soccer does not run National League or RPL, does it? They are a member of it. Georgia Soccer said they "place" teams in those leagues to "represent Georgia". Can't National League choose to accept whoever they want if someone else applied? Wouldn't they rather a stronger team with a proven track record over what GA soccer is going to be able to "place" given the clubs they have left to work with? I guess I don't really know how it works. But there are teams in South Carolina playing NPL, Premier RPL, and National League all at the same time this year. The way I understand this they would still be able to do this just because their state isn't in the middle of an all out war. It just seems like maybe USYS has some pull over Georgia Soccer here.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 25, 2018 13:54:56 GMT -5
Details from POV of an administrator:
1. Big 5, formerly known as Big 6 until they gave AFU the boot, have declared they do not care about NL/SRPL. They have stated on the record that they do not want it.
1a. Several clubs wanted Big 5 thrown out of Georgia Soccee for their actions in creating a new league. 1b. Big 5 responded to (1a) by saying they would not attend any of these clubs tournaments 1c. Other clubs responded to (1b) by not attending any Big 5 tournaments. 1d. Recently other clubs signed on as an alliance called GCA
2. GCA pushes Georgia Soccer to formally ban/not allow Big 5 to play NL/SRPL
3. Georgia Soccer expanded that request to include all competing leagues
4. Georgia Soccer will be rolling out its own version of Super Y
5. Georgia Soccer granted a waiver to Super Y clubs for this summer.
6. Several of the DOCs from the Big 5 called Georgia Soccer yesterday to protest Policy Change. Several of them threatened to pull out all teams from Georgia Soccer.
7. Club specifics: 7a. Concorde Fire - First team in DA, second team in ECNL, 3rd team in SCCL, and rest will play Athena and Classic 7b. GSA - first team in ECNL, second team in SCCL, and Essen will play Athena and Classic 7c NASA Tophat - First team in DA, second team in ECNL, 3rd team in SCCL, and rest will play Athena and Classic 7d. SSA - first team in NPL, second team in SCCL and rest will play Athena and Classi. 7e. UFA - first team in ECNL, second team in NPL, and the rest will play Athena and Classic.
8. Big 5 will not be pulling out of Georgia Soccer anytime in the near future. Impossible and too rash.
9. Tournament war will cost Big 5 a lot more money then it will cost GCA
10. This saga is no where near done. There will be more battles before this ends.
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Post by betonsoccer on Apr 25, 2018 14:00:09 GMT -5
There's a one year waiver for clubs with ECNL
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 25, 2018 14:28:43 GMT -5
great summary by georgiasoccer411All I'll say is this has been a crazy few years. Will be very interesting how UFA handles this given the different branches -- take the 00 girls, UFA milton is the top seeded girls team of the UFAs. Concorde has many age groups where its probably a crap shoot between central and north teams. But I guess they are in control, if they want to add 3 teams from each club they can.
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Post by surgesoccer on Apr 25, 2018 14:37:36 GMT -5
Correction:
7e. UFA - first team in ECNL, second team in NPL, and the rest will play Athena and Classic.
UFA has DA on Boys and Girls side. Have not heard about second teams playing NPL but also have not officially heard that second team would play SCCL. Rest will play Athena/Classic.
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Post by soccerdaddy on Apr 25, 2018 14:39:29 GMT -5
great summary by georgiasoccer411All I'll say is this has been a crazy few years. Will be very interesting how UFA handles this given the different branches -- take the 00 girls, UFA milton is the top seeded girls team of the UFAs. Concorde has many age groups where its probably a crap shoot between central and north teams. But I guess they are in control, if they want to add 3 teams from each club they can. Big First post for georgiasoccer411. Very informative but still haven’t heard from Big 5 clubs. Until then, anything can change right?
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Post by infoguy on Apr 25, 2018 14:44:42 GMT -5
Correction: 7e. UFA - first team in ECNL, second team in NPL, and the rest will play Athena and Classic. UFA has DA on Boys and Girls side. Have not heard about second teams playing NPL but also have not officially heard that second team would play SCCL. Rest will play Athena/Classic. Hahah, UFA has DA, yes, but not ECNL. They played NPL this Fall season.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 25, 2018 14:55:50 GMT -5
I doubt any of these clubs will pull out of their "exclusive" US Club leagues (ECNL, NPL, SSCL) in favor of having a chance at the actual promotion/relegation league. There's too much prestige to have to actually compete for promotion. The 3rd-7th level teams at these clubs generally are not burning it up in the Athena/Classic leagues. They can have their private little league with no change of advancement IMO. I doubt I'd want my kid on that 2nd/3rd team that's having to play in SSCL.
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Post by sportsdad on Apr 26, 2018 11:27:07 GMT -5
SoccerMom practically runs UFA, she is a silent owner but I’ve said too much. OK, seriously PLEASE don’t worry about the changes until they are announced. Seek answers from your club and just do what’s best for your son or daughter with what comes out and hopefully we will know in the next week or so. Oh gosh no! Please don't start that rumor!! But I did ask management myself about this today and in the past weeks when it was all coming down. I can't base my decisions on stuff on here, I have to get facts. I also asked someone from the non big 5...I like to hear both sides of everything. When the announcement is made, if it doesn't work for my kid, then I will make a decision then as should everyone. All I was told was that the other teams will continue playing in GA Soccer. SoccerMom - I have been trying to follow this thread and now my head hurts. You seem very well informed and have broad perspective. My daughter plays at UFA Fowler in Athena and is not on a top team. How, if at all, would these changes effect her and her team? She is to play Super Y this summer, is that now going to be cancelled? What happens to her or her team if they are the top/second/third team in their Athena age group next year? Would this change limit her potential opponent bracket from 10 or 13 range to 5 or 6? Thanks. Just confused and curious how to proceed.
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Post by georgiasoccer411 on Apr 26, 2018 12:37:24 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick.
Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y.
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Post by atlfutboldad on Apr 26, 2018 13:24:28 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick. Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y. The question there is how will GA Soccer deal with the fact that kids are going to play at OTHER club's summer teams? Most clubs won't have teams, meaning that many kids have to play for another (potentially) USYS/USCS club. Will it require waivers from kids primary clubs? Or will they simply not allow it? Edit: or maybe the summer will simply be the wild west and its not an issue?
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 26, 2018 13:33:11 GMT -5
Oh gosh no! Please don't start that rumor!! But I did ask management myself about this today and in the past weeks when it was all coming down. I can't base my decisions on stuff on here, I have to get facts. I also asked someone from the non big 5...I like to hear both sides of everything. When the announcement is made, if it doesn't work for my kid, then I will make a decision then as should everyone. All I was told was that the other teams will continue playing in GA Soccer. SoccerMom - I have been trying to follow this thread and now my head hurts. You seem very well informed and have broad perspective. My daughter plays at UFA Fowler in Athena and is not on a top team. How, if at all, would these changes effect her and her team? She is to play Super Y this summer, is that now going to be cancelled? What happens to her or her team if they are the top/second/third team in their Athena age group next year? Would this change limit her potential opponent bracket from 10 or 13 range to 5 or 6? Thanks. Just confused and curious how to proceed. I'll PM you
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 26, 2018 13:34:05 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick. Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y. Yea heard about this yesterday. Seems it violates US Soccer rules.
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Post by SoccerMom on Apr 26, 2018 13:35:00 GMT -5
Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick. Super Y will be allowed this summer but next summer Georgia Soccer will provide a summer program for clubs to replace Super Y. The question there is how will GA Soccer deal with the fact that kids are going to play at OTHER club's summer teams? Most clubs won't have teams, meaning that many kids have to play for another (potentially) USYS/USCS club. Will it require waivers from kids primary clubs? Or will they simply not allow it? The summer is yours to play wherever you want. Super Y has its own player passes
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Post by Soccerhouse on Apr 26, 2018 13:43:39 GMT -5
do we know what these edits are: "Update: US Club filing a grievance against Georgia Soccer for the Policy Change, however US Soccer legal has already told Georgia Soccer how to edit the Policy so it will not get overturned. With edits this policy change is going to stick"
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