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Post by mistergrinch on May 23, 2018 16:46:22 GMT -5
Umm.. wut?
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 23, 2018 17:59:37 GMT -5
I'm with mistergrinch -- please offer clarity to this thread?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 23, 2018 19:04:28 GMT -5
The 2005 NTC was held today and if you remember, there were no AU players chosen. That was because the standing AU U13(2005s) team was going to play the best 20 sans the AU players. Game called a few minutes into 2nd half. AU leading 4 zip. 2004 NTC waiting on weather to clear and they will also be playing the AU 2004 U14 team.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 23, 2018 19:12:04 GMT -5
Sounds like a system rigged to benefit Atlanta United vs everyone else. Sorry for being harsh.....
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Post by be real on May 23, 2018 19:19:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a system rigged to benefit Atlanta United vs everyone else. Sorry for being harsh..... The systems been rigged. You just have to know how to play it.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 23, 2018 19:36:19 GMT -5
Sounds like a system rigged to benefit Atlanta United vs everyone else. Sorry for being harsh..... Yes it gives the AU players some competition, yes it gives the AU coaches an opportunity to open their office windows and scout without affecting the "scouting budget" yes the AU team is more familiar with each other, as opposed to a bunch of players put together for one game... wait what was my point again
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 23, 2018 19:38:28 GMT -5
Update on the 2004 NTC vs AU U14s... AU currently leading in the second half 1-zip on an own goal by the NTC team. Poor kid
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 23, 2018 19:41:48 GMT -5
Sounds like a system rigged to benefit Atlanta United vs everyone else. Sorry for being harsh..... Yes it gives the AU players some competition, yes it gives the AU coaches an opportunity to open their office windows and scout without affecting the "scouting budget" yes the AU team is more familiar with each other, as opposed to a bunch of players put together for one game... wait what was my point again Glad it wasn't just me......
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 23, 2018 20:05:18 GMT -5
So looks like the 2004 NTC vs AU 2004s is over, with AU winning 1 zip. In my opinion the 2004 NTC looked and played better than the AU 2004s. In the case of the 2005s it was completely opposite. I know the general consensus on here is that the game is rigged and all that. I get it, but here was an opportunity for some of the non AU boys to show their mettle. I watched all of the 2005 game and just over half of the 2004 game. Honestly there were maybe 3 players that looked like they belonged from the 2005 NTC team and a few more on the 2004 NTC team that looked like they could match up. Factoring all the things we mentioned earlier, the bottom line is when it came down to one on one play most not all of the 2005 AU boys are better at speed, ball control, tenacity and the uncanny ability to anticipate. The 2004 AU boys match up nicely with the 2004 NTC team(some 2003 also). There are a couple of National Team players on the AU 2004 that clearly stand out, but overall, I think that is part of the development taught at AU that shows itself on the field against the next 20. Just my 2 1/2 cents
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Post by moose0508 on May 23, 2018 21:12:33 GMT -5
Any idea on who the keepers were for the 05 team?
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Post by setpieces on May 24, 2018 9:13:07 GMT -5
Have to agree with FG on the 05 analysis. I would just add that the first half was most indicative (1-0): AU held possession, NTC could only attempt fast counter attacks - and to their credit not by boom balling. Could have been closer if NTC had converted 2 great chances, but hats off to AU’s special keeper. AU’s first half goal might have at least been attempted on by the NTC keeper. Second half substitutions across the board made for total domination by AU. My takeaways: 1. The “next 20” in the 05 age group really looks like the “next 5,” IMHO. Only a handful of the NTC players were doing the things you would expect at that level - top technical skills, speed, decision making/soccer IQ, super-toughness, and communication - and incidentally, no one on the field from either squad looked to have the kind of dominant presence it takes to move on to YNT camp. Yet... 2. While there were some mature players out there, it was obvious that over half of the boys on both sides haven’t sniffed puberty yet - even some of the tall boys. By next year at this time we might see a truly dominant player or two emerge from this age group in this area. I watched both halves (abbreviated 2nd half) of the 05 game and the first half of the 04 games. I think both twdsoccer and FG are correct in their assessments. First half of the 05 game was fairly even. The difference was in the midfield with AU dominating possessions, but only converting on one goal that the NTC keeper didn't react to at all. I believe the first group for NTC was the better group and the second group for AU (at attacking positions) was the better group so they never saw each on the field. It got lopsided quickly in the 2nd half and the AU players were scoring at will. I think the score was 5-0 when they had the lightening stoppage. Could have easily been 8 or 9-0 if they played full time. I saw no more than 3 or 4 players total on the NTC side that were on the level of playing with AU and I'm sure AU knows who they are. At this age I don't think there is really a dominate player in the SE that would stand out for the YNT camp. That's going to come with maturity over the next 12 - 18 months. I do believe there are several from AU and maybe a couple from NTC that could be given a closer look in the future. The 2004 match up was a different story. The NTC group was actually better in terms of individual play. I thought it was strange that they actually moved the ball better as a team than AU also. I understand that there won't be a lot of player movement for the 2018/19 season, but hard to figure this group out for AU. They've already changed a few players from last season and judging by the talent on the NTC side they could easily do the same this year (position by position). These boys are a little older and you can definitely see those starting to stand out now, but I don't think there was any dominance at this age group either if we're talking YNT camp attention.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 24, 2018 9:40:22 GMT -5
That is what has always baffled me also, is why the 2004 AU team just doesn't seem to gel collectively. I personally think it is because they choose not to string plays together as one unit but instead want to go it alone till they have no choice but to pass. Also there seems to be pockets of mini-groups that are more willing to play together than with others. One reason I can point to is that this age-group collectively did not have the benefit of the traditional U13 year to figure out how to transition from 18 playing 9v9 on half of a full field, to playing 11v11. They may just be victims of the Age mandate.
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Post by Keeperkeeper on May 24, 2018 17:50:18 GMT -5
That is what has always baffled me also, is why the 2004 AU team just doesn't seem to gel collectively. I personally think it is because they choose not to string plays together as one unit but instead want to go it alone till they have no choice but to pass. Also there seems to be pockets of mini-groups that are more willing to play together than with others. One reason I can point to is that this age-group collectively did not have the benefit of the traditional U13 year to figure out how to transition from 18 playing 9v9 on half of a full field, to playing 11v11. They may just be victims of the Age mandate. We have a few friends kids’ on this team. I don’t know if the missed u13 year is the case. Most of the boys on the team (all except 1 I believe) played 11 v 11 the year before the mandate—the year before they played u12 again in DA. Several played pickup 11 v 11 this summer. Last year, that team handily beat both UFA and Concorde using strings of passes. It’s what they were known for, and it was emphasized in training. This year, I would say that some of the new additions don’t pass the ball as much as the old players. And, the team was constantly changing in player position. Very few players played one position all year. What I hear from parents is that it seems like the year was influenced greatly by movement (within and upward) as well as the coaching philosophy shifted a little from the triangles to more direct soccer to accommodate the newer players. Hopefully, they can get their mojo back next year, especially since they are only switching out a few kids. BUT, maybe if we look at it from a developmental perspective. Maybe they wanted the players to be more well rounded, so traditional forwards played back sometimes and traditional backs played forward? Maybe? Just trying to see the glass half full.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 24, 2018 20:40:06 GMT -5
Any idea on who the keepers were for the 05 team? Sorry I didn't recognize either of them. I do think the first half goal was better, more aggressive and a penchant to go for it in stopping balls. He seemed to have more saves in the first half and only gave up one goal. But one can't make a comparison since AU brought in other forwards in the second half also. Apples to Oranges...
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 24, 2018 20:59:16 GMT -5
FG, or anyone else that has seen him play - would you consider CT (#9 for ISL 05s) and his 50+ goals to be dominant? Could he handle a real team concept? Let me start by saying the lad is a bawler. When you watch him, he can score, he has pace on the ball, he's aggressive and has the level of fitness that helps with his ability to play the entire length of the field. Those are the positives. You mentioned the "team concept" What worries me is the fact that he alone scored over 50% of his team's goals. What worries me is he doesn't play his position but instead comes all the way back to the defense to get the ball and at times tries and is successful in taking on multiple opponents on his way to score. I watch his teammates acquiesce to him on multiple occasions, which is bananas to me. Yes he can score, but I was impressed with how AU was able to shut him down by using 2 players at the #6 position to limit him in his attacking third. As you can imagine since he wasn't producing goals they lost, because the team can't really count on anyone else. On an unrelated note, his parents are something to watch. What bothers me is how his parents are teaching him to foul hard on any player that does a halfway decent job at corralling or stopping him(yelling to knock him out or use your elbow). What bothers me are his parents using cuss-words in the presence of little children and when he's asked to refrain loses his mind, because how dare you tell him what to do. From what some on his team have said privately is they know they are the kings of the hill and he's their top player and everyone knows and bows down to their wishes. I don't behoove the lad for listening to his parents. I've had a few words with him and he seems like a genuinely nice and respectful kid. I know AU was courting him to make the move but I don't know if he would fit in on a team who's philosophy it is to play as one instead of 11 individuals. Sources tell me that thankfully he will not be coming for this upcoming year (2018/2019) since his sibling is in her last year of HS. At U15 he's going to have to make a decision as to where he'll play, since ISL does not have a U15+ I say all that GameOfThrow-ins to say he is yet to show me he can handle a real team concept
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Post by setpieces on May 24, 2018 21:58:12 GMT -5
Any idea on who the keepers were for the 05 team? Keeper in the first half was from AFC. I believe the 2nd Keeper was from NASA.
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Post by setpieces on May 24, 2018 22:07:14 GMT -5
FG, or anyone else that has seen him play - would you consider CT (#9 for ISL 05s) and his 50+ goals to be dominant? Could he handle a real team concept? I've seen him play 4 times now (twice in NC and twice in ATL). He's definitely a player. He's got speed, strength, he's technical, plays good defense, and good tactical awareness. My issue with him (and his team) are really two fold; 1.) He can't really go to his left. A player with his technical ability should be focused on that as it will only get more difficult to beat defenders as he gets older. The more predictable he plays the less success he will have. 2.) He's scored most of his teams goals. I've seen him play box to box and he can take on any player 1v1 but his teammates don't provide much support. As a team, they actually move the ball pretty well, but when he gets it they have the best seats in the house and just watch a lot. With the right coaching influence he definitely has the potential to be special. As FG mentioned, I know that AU was looking at him, but not sure if he would be able to adjust his style to fit AU. This is probably more of an indictment of his parents vs. him, but being King of the Hill isn't the AU philosophy. Just looking at the quality of players that may not get any game time at all in some situations makes me think that they probably wouldn't respond well to a situation like that. Also, it's a huge commitment to move from NC to ATL or to at least enroll him in school in ATL and have someone host him. At U14 (next season) it's probably not worth the sacrifice yet. Big decisions to make for U15 for them though as that's the year to make the move if you're going to really play at the next level.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 25, 2018 2:54:52 GMT -5
We have a few friends kids’ on this team. I don’t know if the missed u13 year is the case. Most of the boys on the team (all except 1 I believe) played 11 v 11 the year before the mandate—the year before they played u12 again in DA. Several played pickup 11 v 11 this summer. Last year, that team handily beat both UFA and Concorde using strings of passes. It’s what they were known for, and it was emphasized in training. This year, I would say that some of the new additions don’t pass the ball as much as the old players. And, the team was constantly changing in player position. Very few players played one position all year. What I hear from parents is that it seems like the year was influenced greatly by movement (within and upward) as well as the coaching philosophy shifted a little from the triangles to more direct soccer to accommodate the newer players. Hopefully, they can get their mojo back next year, especially since they are only switching out a few kids. BUT, maybe if we look at it from a developmental perspective. Maybe they wanted the players to be more well rounded, so traditional forwards played back sometimes and traditional backs played forward? Maybe? Just trying to see the glass half full. Didn't realize they actually played 11v11 prior. Thanks for that info. You are right, the issues with the U15s with the suspensions, dismissals and injuries has also had an adverse effect on the U14s also. When you say some of the new additions, i'm guessing you're referring to the spine? I concur with you on that. I'm hoping this gets resolved next year and they are more apt to play the AU way. I do have a couple of questions for you though. Do you think AU will roster some of the current U13s with the current U14s next season? Also how many of the current U14s do you think will not be retained, I can personally think of maybe 3 players, thoughts?
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Post by Keeperkeeper on May 25, 2018 12:34:24 GMT -5
We have a few friends kids’ on this team. I don’t know if the missed u13 year is the case. Most of the boys on the team (all except 1 I believe) played 11 v 11 the year before the mandate—the year before they played u12 again in DA. Several played pickup 11 v 11 this summer. Last year, that team handily beat both UFA and Concorde using strings of passes. It’s what they were known for, and it was emphasized in training. This year, I would say that some of the new additions don’t pass the ball as much as the old players. And, the team was constantly changing in player position. Very few players played one position all year. What I hear from parents is that it seems like the year was influenced greatly by movement (within and upward) as well as the coaching philosophy shifted a little from the triangles to more direct soccer to accommodate the newer players. Hopefully, they can get their mojo back next year, especially since they are only switching out a few kids. BUT, maybe if we look at it from a developmental perspective. Maybe they wanted the players to be more well rounded, so traditional forwards played back sometimes and traditional backs played forward? Maybe? Just trying to see the glass half full. Didn't realize they actually played 11v11 prior. Thanks for that info. You are right, the issues with the U15s with the suspensions, dismissals and injuries has also had an adverse effect on the U14s also. When you say some of the new additions, i'm guessing you're referring to the spine? I concur with you on that. I'm hoping this gets resolved next year and they are more apt to play the AU way. I do have a couple of questions for you though. Do you think AU will roster some of the current U13s with the current U14s next season? Also how many of the current U14s do you think will not be retained, I can personally think of maybe 3 players, thoughts? Yes, the spine was a big issue. I hope they do roster some of the 05s with the 04s. It seems like they plan to permanently roster the three 04s who currently play up. That would open the door for some of the 05s to come up and play. The 04s need a CB and they need a consistent striker who knows how to “pass and move.” The 05s have such a striker (who has been playing up with the 04s for the last few weeks). I do think success will come with developing a consistent back line, though. Defense seemed to be an afterthought on the 04s this year. Rumor has it that an 04 defender is returning after a season off to play with the 04s... As far as retentions, I would cut a few more than just 3. The majority of the offensive players have had difficulty scoring against tougher opponents. Shouldn’t you look to replace offensive players who can’t score? Now, that would be a shakeup. There are some smaller players that could get cut that I think shouldn’t. For example, one of our little friends is a tiny midfielder who has great vision. He doesn’t get a lot of playing time at all, but he hasn’t hit his growth spurt like some of the other kids. I think, however, he is probably one of the three that could be cut. However, they told the boys 2-3 cuts. I think they can trim around the edges, though. 😉. I do know that their coach for next year is concerned about the overall work ethic of the 04s. Heard he wasn’t pleased with their practice ethic. I guess another question I have is whether they will retain kids based on “potential” rather than output.
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Post by Soccerhouse on May 25, 2018 13:00:50 GMT -5
Its expected that three 04s will play with the 02/03 group? Wow, its already going to be hard enough for 03s to make that side, didn't consider 04s taking their spots as well.
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Post by justaparent on May 25, 2018 13:56:35 GMT -5
FG, or anyone else that has seen him play - would you consider CT (#9 for ISL 05s) and his 50+ goals to be dominant? Could he handle a real team concept? I've seen #9 twice this season. He's dominant. His results against DA level competition and DA level coaching speak for themselves.
I agree with others that it's hard to tell what position he plays sometimes since he will come all the way back in to his own box to collect the ball sometimes. He may be forming bad habits by dribbling too much since he is capable of dribbling around players at a decently successful percentage.
His biggest strength, IMO, is his strength. He is too big to bump off of a path. He's comparable to Lebron James in that way. He's just hard to foul or move for the typical 12 or 13 year old. He's definitely skilled and I don't have anything bad to say about him. I wonder if he will always have that Lebron James body or if CDMs and CBs will catch up to him in the next couple of years size wise.
He has piqued my interest enough to want to track his future. I wish for the best for him.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on May 30, 2018 21:38:32 GMT -5
Got word late today that the weather cancelled game from earlier this month, between the May 2003 Girls Regional NTC and the AU U13s(2005) would occur. The first half of the first half had both teams feeling each other out on positioning, speed and ability to play with the opposite sex. I noticed a lot of boys who would normally lay hands on their opponents trying to shy away from that. I will say this, these girls could play. I overheard parents from both teams talking and I believe there were at least 2 maybe 3 national team players on the NTC team. Based on their pace, intensity, skills, confidence and soccer IQ, you could tell which ones. There were maybe 4-5 girls that definitely bubbled to the top of the NTC team. On the AU side I think the same number of boys showed they are a notch above their teammates. About 10-15 minutes in, the U13s went up 1 zip, on a nice combination play but the NTC were awarded a penalty on a handball in the AU box and were able to equalize. A couple of changes in the line up during the first half, no real change in the scoreline as both teams went into the half tied. The start of the second half brought a lackadaisical response in play from the AU team, but a ratcheting up of the pace of play from the NTC team. I think that woke the AU boys up. They went on a tear and ripped off 2 more goals, in addition to at least one if not two shots on the crossbar and post. Overall, good showing by the NTC. They had at least 6 girls that were taller than the tallest AU player. They were strong, had great speed and they did a better job of moving the ball around with crisper passes and great first, second and third touches on the ball. I would definitely like to give kudos to #2, #6, #13 and #17 on the NTC for truly balling. Both the NTC and AU teams were stronger on their right flanks. Final score was 3-1. I know there were quite a few girls from NTH and CF on the team in addition to girls from Alabama and Tennessee. Don't have a break down of the players, since I was there to watch and tried not to engage with parents there to watch their kids and the scrimmage.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 7, 2018 9:10:59 GMT -5
Yes, the spine was a big issue. I hope they do roster some of the 05s with the 04s. It seems like they plan to permanently roster the three 04s who currently play up. That would open the door for some of the 05s to come up and play. The 04s need a CB and they need a consistent striker who knows how to “pass and move.” The 05s have such a striker (who has been playing up with the 04s for the last few weeks). I do think success will come with developing a consistent back line, though. Defense seemed to be an afterthought on the 04s this year. Rumor has it that an 04 defender is returning after a season off to play with the 04s... As far as retentions, I would cut a few more than just 3. The majority of the offensive players have had difficulty scoring against tougher opponents. Shouldn’t you look to replace offensive players who can’t score? Now, that would be a shakeup. There are some smaller players that could get cut that I think shouldn’t. For example, one of our little friends is a tiny midfielder who has great vision. He doesn’t get a lot of playing time at all, but he hasn’t hit his growth spurt like some of the other kids. I think, however, he is probably one of the three that could be cut. However, they told the boys 2-3 cuts. I think they can trim around the edges, though. 😉. I do know that their coach for next year is concerned about the overall work ethic of the 04s. Heard he wasn’t pleased with their practice ethic. I guess another question I have is whether they will retain kids based on “potential” rather than output. So it looks like reports out of the current u14s, rising u15s is 4 lads were released and one Bio-Banded down to the 2005s. Where these the ones that you suspected would be released? I also hear you may be adding a midfielder from NASA and a striker from CF? Talking about 2005s, I hear for the first time in history not a single player was cut, you will have one Bio-Banded down to the 2006s. I know the 2005s are good but do you think some changes are afoot as other local clubs will be tweaking their rosters to counterbalance theirs. Just my 2 cents, will sit back and lookout for your opinion(s).
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Post by soccerballz on Jun 7, 2018 9:24:12 GMT -5
Yes, the spine was a big issue. I hope they do roster some of the 05s with the 04s. It seems like they plan to permanently roster the three 04s who currently play up. That would open the door for some of the 05s to come up and play. The 04s need a CB and they need a consistent striker who knows how to “pass and move.” The 05s have such a striker (who has been playing up with the 04s for the last few weeks). I do think success will come with developing a consistent back line, though. Defense seemed to be an afterthought on the 04s this year. Rumor has it that an 04 defender is returning after a season off to play with the 04s... As far as retentions, I would cut a few more than just 3. The majority of the offensive players have had difficulty scoring against tougher opponents. Shouldn’t you look to replace offensive players who can’t score? Now, that would be a shakeup. There are some smaller players that could get cut that I think shouldn’t. For example, one of our little friends is a tiny midfielder who has great vision. He doesn’t get a lot of playing time at all, but he hasn’t hit his growth spurt like some of the other kids. I think, however, he is probably one of the three that could be cut. However, they told the boys 2-3 cuts. I think they can trim around the edges, though. 😉. I do know that their coach for next year is concerned about the overall work ethic of the 04s. Heard he wasn’t pleased with their practice ethic. I guess another question I have is whether they will retain kids based on “potential” rather than output. So it looks like reports out of the current u14s, rising u15s is 4 lads were released and one Bio-Banded down to the 2005s. Where these the ones that you suspected would be released? I also hear you may be adding a midfielder from NASA and a striker from CF? Talking about 2005s, I hear for the first time in history not a single player was cut, you will have one Bio-Banded down to the 2006s. I know the 2005s are good but do you think some changes are afoot as other local clubs will be tweaking their rosters to counterbalance theirs. Just my 2 cents, will sit back and lookout for your opinion(s). Wow, I'm just curious about the Bio-Banding. I've heard of players playing up, but never down. Is this a new thing, or has this been done before in DA?
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 7, 2018 9:30:42 GMT -5
I think this is the newest buzz-word and push from the US Soccer Federation. Not sure if it's widely being implemented. I know of only one instance locally where it was tried, with the current U14s at UFA. They had a kid born around the Dec 28th, so he was a young 2004. He practiced with the 2005s, not sure if he was ever actually rostered and played a game with them. AU is going full steam ahead with it this up coming year. Also heard a few of the bigger and less challenged lads will play up more often. Should be fun to see how this experiment works and hope it gives boys who haven't hit their growth spurt a chance.
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Post by parentsoccerfan on Jun 7, 2018 9:47:52 GMT -5
CF 05 Boys DA: 6 players departed; 8 players added (all played at other clubs last year). Interestingly, zero from SSA. Bio-Banding: In DA, up to 2 players per team can play down, but they have to jump through some hoops medically to make sure everything is documented regarding underdeveloped physical maturation level. Any idea where the CF DA players went to? Seems like a lot to leave in a non-collapsing year.
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Post by justaparent on Jun 7, 2018 9:52:17 GMT -5
Looks like 1 of them went to AFC DA.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 7, 2018 10:15:13 GMT -5
I know a few 02s played down this year at other clubs in other cities, and they weren't necessarily young or small either. So look for this rule to get abused if not true validating efforts are taking place. maybe this season there will be better oversight and it can't be taken advantage of.
for some kids even though they might be smaller, they could end up being almost 2 years older than their competition, that is a huge advantage at u12 to u14.
Interestingly its only a DA phenomenon though, will ECNL and other leagues adapt.
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Post by Futsal Gawdess on Jun 7, 2018 10:47:59 GMT -5
CF 05 Boys DA: 6 players departed; 8 players added (all played at other clubs last year). Interestingly, zero from SSA. Bio-Banding: In DA, up to 2 players per team can play down, but they have to jump through some hoops medically to make sure everything is documented regarding underdeveloped physical maturation level. Yes heard about this, 11 retained and some good players added, including a Dutch and German player. Could potentially give the AU 2005s a good local challenge along with UFA. Hear UFA also released 2-3. Hopefully all the teams get better and stronger. I just want good local match-ups.
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Post by moose0508 on Jun 7, 2018 10:52:49 GMT -5
Did AU 05’s add another keeper?
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