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Post by justaparent on Jun 1, 2018 7:30:15 GMT -5
This is valuable advice in situations where you are evaluating subjective information. But, when you are talking about information that can be fact-checked, the facts do exist. Fact checks from where? I don't know anything personally about this issue (AFC and Moba boys) but I know that parents are offered and told things by the club that aren't always true. And how much money someone pays is often a personal matter that others don't have "facts" on unless they happened to be in charge of the club's finances. I never view anything from a parent's mouth or a coach's mouth of even a director's mouth as "fact." The claim was specific about numbers of kids and numbers of teams for an age group that my son actually played for. He was stating information that he heard. I had actually lived through it.
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Post by atlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 8:12:21 GMT -5
Fact checks from where? I don't know anything personally about this issue (AFC and Moba boys) but I know that parents are offered and told things by the club that aren't always true. And how much money someone pays is often a personal matter that others don't have "facts" on unless they happened to be in charge of the club's finances. I never view anything from a parent's mouth or a coach's mouth of even a director's mouth as "fact." The claim was specific about numbers of kids and numbers of teams for an age group that my son actually played for. He was stating information that he heard. I had actually lived through it. This is a little confusing to me, I understand why a parent/player would be concerned with the number of players on a team. I do not understand why a parent or player would care about the number of teams in an age group? How does that effect them and is there any club that would turn away paying customers if they had enough to form extra teams?
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Post by daddyo on Jun 1, 2018 10:04:54 GMT -5
CF is the master of holding kids hostage, letting parents know their kid is on the bubble for a top team and then get offered a 3rd or 4th team spot. This is whats wrong with some of these clubs.
Be honest, be upfront, talk with the coach and let him know what you're plan. If he's a tool, you have your answer and find another club.
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Post by soccerdad76 on Jun 1, 2018 12:18:36 GMT -5
CF is the master of holding kids hostage, letting parents know their kid is on the bubble for a top team and then get offered a 3rd or 4th team spot. This is whats wrong with some of these clubs. Be honest, be upfront, talk with the coach and let him know what you're plan. If he's a tool, you have your answer and find another club. i just watched two sets of parents be told that their kid fell from the first team to the third team at CF on the second night of tryouts. Sure didn’t look like holding out to me.
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Post by soccermonster on Jun 1, 2018 12:24:41 GMT -5
CF is the master of holding kids hostage, letting parents know their kid is on the bubble for a top team and then get offered a 3rd or 4th team spot. This is whats wrong with some of these clubs. Be honest, be upfront, talk with the coach and let him know what you're plan. If he's a tool, you have your answer and find another club. Why do we as parents continue to tolerate that? CF is not the only club who does it (although they are probably the worst) and I think it boils down to the integrity of the coaches. They try to keep these kids in their back pocket in the event they don't get some of the players they expect. If I know my kid is a bubble player, i don't know that I would necessarily stick around for a coach to make up their mind. I would definitely try my luck at another club in hopes that my kid gets a spot. I've witnessed so many shenanigans from the parents and coaches combined and it just makes for a bad experience. it's no wonder the parents get crazy at this time of year. Will it get better - is there any change in sight?
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Post by soccermonster on Jun 1, 2018 12:27:47 GMT -5
CF is the master of holding kids hostage, letting parents know their kid is on the bubble for a top team and then get offered a 3rd or 4th team spot. This is whats wrong with some of these clubs. Be honest, be upfront, talk with the coach and let him know what you're plan. If he's a tool, you have your answer and find another club. i just watched two sets of parents be told that their kid fell from the first team to the third team at CF on the second night of tryouts. Sure didn’t look like holding out to me. Ouch - did he tell them on day three or did he at least tell them on day 1 so that they can possibly go tryout somewhere else? It s#cks for sure!
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Post by soccerdad76 on Jun 1, 2018 16:23:52 GMT -5
i just watched two sets of parents be told that their kid fell from the first team to the third team at CF on the second night of tryouts. Sure didn’t look like holding out to me. Ouch - did he tell them on day three or did he at least tell them on day 1 so that they can possibly go tryout somewhere else? It s#cks for sure! second day
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Post by soccerfanga on Jun 1, 2018 16:39:56 GMT -5
CF is the master of holding kids hostage, letting parents know their kid is on the bubble for a top team and then get offered a 3rd or 4th team spot. This is whats wrong with some of these clubs. Be honest, be upfront, talk with the coach and let him know what you're plan. If he's a tool, you have your answer and find another club. Why do we as parents continue to tolerate that? CF is not the only club who does it (although they are probably the worst) and I think it boils down to the integrity of the coaches. They try to keep these kids in their back pocket in the event they don't get some of the players they expect. If I know my kid is a bubble player, i don't know that I would necessarily stick around for a coach to make up their mind. I would definitely try my luck at another club in hopes that my kid gets a spot. I've witnessed so many shenaverybadwordns from the parents and coaches combined and it just makes for a bad experience. it's no wonder the parents get crazy at this time of year. Will it get better - is there any change in sight? Tophat is doing the same thing, kids #'s were called, they were told congrats, then they got an apology call later. Guess Daddy Warbucks made a "call" for his princess, and somebody had to go.
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Post by soccermonster on Jun 1, 2018 17:05:19 GMT -5
Why do we as parents continue to tolerate that? CF is not the only club who does it (although they are probably the worst) and I think it boils down to the integrity of the coaches. They try to keep these kids in their back pocket in the event they don't get some of the players they expect. If I know my kid is a bubble player, i don't know that I would necessarily stick around for a coach to make up their mind. I would definitely try my luck at another club in hopes that my kid gets a spot. I've witnessed so many shenaverybadwordns from the parents and coaches combined and it just makes for a bad experience. it's no wonder the parents get crazy at this time of year. Will it get better - is there any change in sight? Tophat is doing the same thing, kids #'s were called, they were told congrats, then they got an apology call later. Guess Daddy Warbucks made a "call" for his princess, and somebody had to go. I heard about that today and that is horrible. How can you do that to these kids. It wasnt just a few either, it was several.
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Post by Soccerhouse on Jun 1, 2018 17:09:21 GMT -5
Why do we as parents continue to tolerate that? CF is not the only club who does it (although they are probably the worst) and I think it boils down to the integrity of the coaches. They try to keep these kids in their back pocket in the event they don't get some of the players they expect. If I know my kid is a bubble player, i don't know that I would necessarily stick around for a coach to make up their mind. I would definitely try my luck at another club in hopes that my kid gets a spot. I've witnessed so many shenaverybadwordns from the parents and coaches combined and it just makes for a bad experience. it's no wonder the parents get crazy at this time of year. Will it get better - is there any change in sight? Tophat is doing the same thing, kids #'s were called, they were told congrats, then they got an apology call later. Guess Daddy Warbucks made a "call" for his princess, and somebody had to go. What age are we talking about here?
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Post by 04gparent on Jun 1, 2018 17:21:59 GMT -5
Tophat is doing the same thing, kids #'s were called, they were told congrats, then they got an apology call later. Guess Daddy Warbucks made a "call" for his princess, and somebody had to go. I heard about that today and that is horrible. How can you do that to these kids. It wasnt just a few either, it was several. Umm. Girls or boys? I was at the NTH 06 G tryouts. I know for certain that offers were not made until the end of the 2nd day of practice... Not trying to defend but let's get some facts here...
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 1, 2018 17:38:46 GMT -5
At NTH they had 8 teams to evaluate for the 06 age group, if someone good shows up on the third night they may bump someone down, it doesn't mean anything nefarious happened. I know the ECNL and SCCL teams were finalized on the second night. The rest of the teams were finalized last night and kids were told at the field which team they made.
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 17:49:02 GMT -5
At NTH they had 8 teams to evaluate for the 06 age group, if someone good shows up on the third night they may bump someone down, it doesn't mean anything nefarious happened. I know the ECNL and SCCL teams were finalized on the second night. The rest of the teams were finalized last night and kids were told at the field which team they made. And some of those offers made last night were rescinded today. After team meetings last night had already occurred. I’m an NTH fan most of the time, but this was horrible.
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 17:51:38 GMT -5
I heard about that today and that is horrible. How can you do that to these kids. It wasnt just a few either, it was several. Umm. Girls or boys? I was at the NTH 06 G tryouts. I know for certain that offers were not made until the end of the 2nd day of practice... Not trying to defend but let's get some facts here... Yes- let’s get facts straight. Offers were made after night 2, then rescinded via phone call the next day. Then offers were made again after night 3, and rescinded AGAIN today... after team meetings last night, team pictures, etc. very poor way to treat these girls.
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 17:52:27 GMT -5
Tophat is doing the same thing, kids #'s were called, they were told congrats, then they got an apology call later. Guess Daddy Warbucks made a "call" for his princess, and somebody had to go. What age are we talking about here? 06 girls
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 1, 2018 18:16:20 GMT -5
Okay people take a step back for a second.
Remember waaaaaay back (3 weeks ago) on the forum when we were talking about Concorde North exploding or merging or closing or whatever-ing.
So if Mike G and Mike C left Concorde North and they were well liked and respected by their teams and they went to TopHat to coach ... Why would "we" on the forum not expect a LOT of Concorde North players to end up at TopHat. TopHat does not "steal" players. They build an INCREDIBLE academy program with DEPTH. So much so that at U12-U13 the top of the top girls in Atlanta (or their parents) want to GO to TopHat. TopHat is allowed to select the "best" players available to them at tryouts and place them on the DA, ECNL, SCCL, Athena A and so on. Why hate on them for having a program that many consider "worth" driving to and playing for.
Yes the system is broken. But its not TopHats fault. Tryouts suck. Pre-teen age emotions are complicated. Adding leagues and merging clubs and age changes make it very difficult for something that is supposed to be "fun". But there are LOTS of GREAT opportunities for soccer players at ALL LEVELS ALL OVER THIS TOWN.
Big difference between getting "cut" and getting bumped down a team by someone "new to the club."
The butterfly effect, Trickle Down economics, whatever you want to call it. Someone showed up they were good enough and you know what flows downhill.
Also just for reference its not just happening at TopHat. I know of players at Concorde, AFU, LSA, GSA and UFA that have ALL had their share of 06 girls shuffled all around this week too.
And like I posted somewhere else on this forum. Wait until this age group adds GDA next year at TopHat at UFA. I guarantee what we all just went through this week is just a taste of what it will be next year.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 1, 2018 18:17:20 GMT -5
Umm. Girls or boys? I was at the NTH 06 G tryouts. I know for certain that offers were not made until the end of the 2nd day of practice... Not trying to defend but let's get some facts here... Yes- let’s get facts straight. Offers were made after night 2, then rescinded via phone call the next day. Then offers were made again after night 3, and rescinded AGAIN today... after team meetings last night, team pictures, etc. very poor way to treat these girls. I assume you are talking about the Navy Athena A team
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 18:26:04 GMT -5
Okay people take a step back for a second. Remember waaaaaay back (3 weeks ago) on the forum when we were talking about Concorde North exploding or merging or closing or whatever-ing. So if Mike G and Mike C left Concorde North and they were well liked and respected by their teams and they went to TopHat to coach ... Why would "we" on the forum not expect a LOT of Concorde North players to end up at TopHat. TopHat does not "steal" players. They build an INCREDIBLE academy program with DEPTH. So much so that at U12-U13 the top of the top girls in Atlanta (or their parents) want to GO to TopHat. TopHat is allowed to select the "best" players available to them at tryouts and place them on the DA, ECNL, SCCL, Athena A and so on. Why hate on them for having a program that many consider "worth" driving to and playing for. Yes the system is broken. But its not TopHats fault. Tryouts suck. Pre-teen age emotions are complicated. Adding leagues and merging clubs and age changes make it very difficult for something that is supposed to be "fun". But there are LOTS of GREAT opportunities for soccer players at ALL LEVELS ALL OVER THIS TOWN. Big difference between getting "cut" and getting bumped down a team by someone "new to the club." The butterfly effect, Trickle Down economics, whatever you want to call it. Someone showed up they were good enough and you know what flows downhill. Also just for reference its not just happening at TopHat. I know of players at Concorde, AFU, LSA, GSA and UFA that have ALL had their share of 06 girls shuffled all around this week too. Everything you said is true but irrelevant to the particularly question at hand, which is that specific offers were made to specific girls- “congratulations. You made team xxx. Glad to have you”. Phone calls were made the following day backing out of those offers. Offers were again made to those same girls last night- “congratulations. You are on team xxx.” Let’s have a team meeting, take a team picture, see everyone next week... then today some got phone calls saying” whoops - sorry- you aren’t on this team anymore”. And girls were left to fend for themselves in finding another team the day after tryouts are over and most teams are full.That is inexcusable and unjustifiable. NTH is a great club. They have many wonderful coaches and obviously attract elite level talent from all over. Having girls from other places come in and fill up the top teams only strengthens every other team below them. But this specific situation was very unfair and SO unnecessary.
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 18:26:33 GMT -5
Yes- let’s get facts straight. Offers were made after night 2, then rescinded via phone call the next day. Then offers were made again after night 3, and rescinded AGAIN today... after team meetings last night, team pictures, etc. very poor way to treat these girls. I assume you are talking about the Navy Athena A team Yes I am
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Post by greenmonkey on Jun 1, 2018 18:48:39 GMT -5
Everything you said is true but irrelevant to the particularly question at hand, which is that specific offers were made to specific girls- “congratulations. You made team xxx. Glad to have you”. Phone calls were made the following day backing out of those offers. Offers were again made to those same girls last night- “congratulations. You are on team xxx.” Let’s have a team meeting, take a team picture, see everyone next week... then today some got phone calls saying” whoops - sorry- you aren’t on this team anymore”. And girls were left to fend for themselves in finding another team the day after tryouts are over and most teams are full.That is inexcusable and unjustifiable. NTH is a great club. They have many wonderful coaches and obviously attract elite level talent from all over. Having girls from other places come in and fill up the top teams only strengthens every other team below them. But this specific situation was very unfair and SO unnecessary. YES we do agree that that specific situation was unfair and probably unnecessary and especially with that age girl. And I know one of those girls affected personally. But I was just reminding the forum in general that it happened to other girls at other clubs as well this year. AND Trust me yes just as hurtful and just as sad. The UFA 06's have their own war wounds this year as well. Some coaches are definitely more humane and better in tune with pre-teen girls than others. I am a bit of a pollyanna and like to think that short of an actual psychopath. Most people genuinely TRY to do the right thing. They might make bad decisions but they "usually" aren't bad people. We were SO LUCKY that the coach at the club she tried out at did NOT fill all roster spots on the second night. He made a few verbal offers on night one, a few more verbal offers on night two, and a few more verbal offers on night three. He then told everyone else to expect a phone call today. It was almost like he knew he might have that last group of walk-on's show up half way though tryouts the last night. You sound personally involved in part of this scenario and I suspect we would either know each other or of each other on the sidelines so please know that I do hope it all works out somehow for those girls. It's been a tough one for sure.
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Post by 442player on Jun 1, 2018 19:29:04 GMT -5
Apparently desperate new clubs feel the need to lie about coaches across the street. He straight told me that the announced coach wouldn’t be coaching my kid. Wonder if he would tell me if AU called about my kid? Found out that little secret about his past.
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Post by fan on Jun 1, 2018 19:41:55 GMT -5
Everything you said is true but irrelevant to the particularly question at hand, which is that specific offers were made to specific girls- “congratulations. You made team xxx. Glad to have you”. Phone calls were made the following day backing out of those offers. Offers were again made to those same girls last night- “congratulations. You are on team xxx.” Let’s have a team meeting, take a team picture, see everyone next week... then today some got phone calls saying” whoops - sorry- you aren’t on this team anymore”. And girls were left to fend for themselves in finding another team the day after tryouts are over and most teams are full.That is inexcusable and unjustifiable. NTH is a great club. They have many wonderful coaches and obviously attract elite level talent from all over. Having girls from other places come in and fill up the top teams only strengthens every other team below them. But this specific situation was very unfair and SO unnecessary. Wow, what a crappy way to treat those girls. There are coaches and clubs out there that wouldn't do that. Yes, players get pushed down to lower teams at a lot of places but if an offer is made, be true to your word. I wish those girls well wherever they end up.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 1, 2018 20:07:51 GMT -5
Everything you said is true but irrelevant to the particularly question at hand, which is that specific offers were made to specific girls- “congratulations. You made team xxx. Glad to have you”. Phone calls were made the following day backing out of those offers. Offers were again made to those same girls last night- “congratulations. You are on team xxx.” Let’s have a team meeting, take a team picture, see everyone next week... then today some got phone calls saying” whoops - sorry- you aren’t on this team anymore”. And girls were left to fend for themselves in finding another team the day after tryouts are over and most teams are full.That is inexcusable and unjustifiable. NTH is a great club. They have many wonderful coaches and obviously attract elite level talent from all over. Having girls from other places come in and fill up the top teams only strengthens every other team below them. But this specific situation was very unfair and SO unnecessary. Wow, what a crappy way to treat those girls. There are coaches and clubs out there that wouldn't do that. Yes, players get pushed down to lower teams at a lot of places but if an offer is made, be true to your word. I wish those girls well wherever they end up. Don't know the full story but I believe the coach ended up with 19 players somehow and had to let one go last night
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Post by girlsoccer on Jun 1, 2018 20:44:14 GMT -5
Wow, what a crappy way to treat those girls. There are coaches and clubs out there that wouldn't do that. Yes, players get pushed down to lower teams at a lot of places but if an offer is made, be true to your word. I wish those girls well wherever they end up. Don't know the full story but I believe the coach ended up with 19 players somehow and had to let one go last night You are right that you do not know the full story.
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Post by soccerfan30 on Jun 1, 2018 21:01:05 GMT -5
Don't know the full story but I believe the coach ended up with 19 players somehow and had to let one go last night You are right that you do not know the full story. You're right but I do know the coach ended up with 19 and had to let one go, beyond that I don't know what transpired after that.
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Post by petrcechitout on Jun 1, 2018 21:45:22 GMT -5
The 06 Girls NTH tryouts were a dumpster fire and that is saying it lightly from the stories I heard. The coaches and club made a mistake and then tried to correct it after figuring out girls got demoted or cut incorrectly. Some even called to complain and got an opportunity to be re-evaluated. After the re-evaluation kids were moved to a lower team to make room for the girls who just got re-evaluated. Maybe it was the right thing to do but handled poorly.
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Post by oraclesfriend on Jun 1, 2018 21:57:11 GMT -5
The 06 Girls NTH tryouts were a dumpster fire and that is saying it lightly from the stories I heard. The coaches and club made a mistake and then tried to correct it after figuring out girls got demoted or cut incorrectly. Some even called to complain and got an opportunity to be re-evaluated. After the re-evaluation kids were moved to a lower team to make room for the girls who just got re-evaluated. Maybe it was the right thing to do but handled poorly. I heard some things about this age group too. Misleading information given resulting in people being put in difficult situations. A shame that it ended up that way...with a lot of frustrated and unhappy kids and parents
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Post by petrcechitout on Jun 1, 2018 22:16:06 GMT -5
The Club handled it poorly, as well as whoever was calling out names of the girls who made it, shortly after girls were asked to change fields to a lower team and then didn’t make that lower team. Logic would tell You that the last few girls cut from the ECNL/SCCL team would be good enough to make the next team lower. Then to only communicate to certain players and offer a re-evaluation and then tell the families and kids they are not on that team today after they were told the previous day they made it. Had that happen to one of my kids I would have been upset too.
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Post by soccermpm on Jun 1, 2018 23:02:50 GMT -5
Wow, what a crappy way to treat those girls. There are coaches and clubs out there that wouldn't do that. Yes, players get pushed down to lower teams at a lot of places but if an offer is made, be true to your word. I wish those girls well wherever they end up. Don't know the full story but I believe the coach ended up with 19 players somehow and had to let one go last night And ending up with “19 players” was what.. an innocent mistake? Yeah right... counting is very difficult. You end up with too many players when you offer other people after your team is already full. Seems simple and hardly seems like a good defsense soccerfan30
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Post by atlsoccerdad on Jun 1, 2018 23:37:55 GMT -5
The 06 girls tryouts were a mess this year. Thats probably an understatement.
I am guessing most of it stems from the CF North collapse. Many of the CF North girls that assumed they would be able to play TH Milton were told Thursday afternoon (tryouts day 3) that they needed to find another club ... (not sure of the exact reason why).
So with 1 night of tryouts left, many former CF North girls SCRAMBLED to other club / team tryouts (including TH SCCL and TH ECNL). Many of these girls have talent, and probably bumped a few players down a level or two. The ripples were painful to many 06 girls at other clubs, too.
If offers were extended on night 2, yes, it was handled poorly. No wise club should extend any offers after the second night of tryouts. This is what can happen if offers are extended - then need to be rescinded - because unexpected talent shows up on night 3. (countless upset tweenagers and a three page forum rant).
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